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AndyS

(14,559 posts)
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 03:06 PM Jan 2022

DOJ Press release

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, January 13, 2022
Leader of Oath Keepers and 10 Other Individuals Indicted in Federal Court for Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
Eight Others Facing Charges in Two Related Cases
A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned an indictment yesterday, which was unsealed today, charging 11 defendants with seditious conspiracy and other charges for crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, which disrupted a joint session of the U.S. Congress that was in the process of ascertaining and counting the electoral votes related to the presidential election.

According to court documents, Elmer Stewart Rhodes III, 56, of Granbury, Texas, who is the founder and leader of the Oath Keepers; and Edward Vallejo, 63, of Phoenix, Arizona, are being charged for the first time in connection with events leading up to and including Jan. 6. Rhodes was arrested this morning in Little Elm, Texas, and Vallejo was arrested this morning in Phoenix.

In addition to Rhodes and Vallejo, those named in the indictment include nine previously charged defendants: Thomas Caldwell, 67, of Berryville, Virginia; Joseph Hackett, 51, of Sarasota, Florida; Kenneth Harrelson, 41, of Titusville, Florida; Joshua James, 34, of Arab, Alabama; Kelly Meggs, 52, of Dunnellon, Florida; Roberto Minuta, 37, of Prosper, Texas; David Moerschel, 44, of Punta Gorda, Florida; Brian Ulrich, 44, of Guyton, Georgia and Jessica Watkins, 39, of Woodstock, Ohio. In addition to the earlier charges filed against them, they now face additional counts for seditious conspiracy and other offenses.

Eight other individuals affiliated with the Oath Keepers, all previously charged in the investigation, remain as defendants in two related cases. All defendants – except Rhodes and Vallejo – previously were charged in a superseding indictment. The superseding indictment has now effectively been split into three parts: the 11-defendant seditious conspiracy case, a seven-defendant original case, and a third case against one of the previously charged defendants.
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DOJ Press release (Original Post) AndyS Jan 2022 OP
I predicted this is the highest level they're going to achieve. WarGamer Jan 2022 #1
Many of these defendants were already facing 20+ years for Obstruction Fiendish Thingy Jan 2022 #14
Them older fucks will be singing............. Historic NY Jan 2022 #15
It's mostly a bunch of angry middle-aged white men. nt C Moon Jan 2022 #28
Getting locked up not being able to shoot their guns and play with their buddies Historic NY Jan 2022 #31
Six Are 44 Or Younger ProfessorGAC Jan 2022 #32
Nope. Kingofalldems Jan 2022 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Fiendish Thingy Jan 2022 #21
Nope, what? WarGamer Jan 2022 #30
Believe it when I see it Sherman A1 Jan 2022 #24
Building cases from the bottom up... Ohio Joe Jan 2022 #2
Yes... really good news! When the feds come for you...know they already have the goods PortTack Jan 2022 #5
Canaries will sing dclarston13 Jan 2022 #10
Yup, always follow the money... Ohio Joe Jan 2022 #11
K & R malaise Jan 2022 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Jan 2022 #4
Edward Vallejo of Phoenix Arizona.. AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2022 #6
And always good old Texas! 🤬👎 Budi Jan 2022 #8
And several Florida men! n/t mtngirl47 Jan 2022 #23
Penalty for Seditious Conspiracy Budi Jan 2022 #7
Marcy Wheeler says with terrorism sentencing enhancements, they could face up to 80 years. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2022 #22
I sincerely hope they are sentenced to all 80 years. Budi Jan 2022 #34
Unless...they flip and enable the prosecutions of Jones, Stone and the coup architects. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2022 #35
A salutary development gratuitous Jan 2022 #9
Starting to get real. lagomorph777 Jan 2022 #12
Keep going up the chain................ HAB911 Jan 2022 #13
20 years with Chapo in Florence please! Lucky Luciano Jan 2022 #16
Yes! Woo Hoo! liberalla Jan 2022 #17
Can we now stop with Merrick Garland isn't doing anything? KS Toronado Jan 2022 #19
This news brightens the day considerably! Here's hoping it's just the beginning. nt crickets Jan 2022 #20
A great big K&R! ♥ CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2022 #25
In the United States of crazy presidential pardons...... jaxexpat Jan 2022 #26
Too bad . . . AverageOldGuy Jan 2022 #27
Didn't TFG reinstitute the federal death penalty???? Farmer-Rick Jan 2022 #36
KnR Hekate Jan 2022 #29
Nice! Great news! Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #33

WarGamer

(12,436 posts)
1. I predicted this is the highest level they're going to achieve.
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 03:08 PM
Jan 2022

Clearly small groups of 3%'ers, PB's and OK'ers conspired/coordinated with each other and planned to break into the Capitol and Lord knows what else.

If found guilty... we might see the harshest sentences here.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,585 posts)
14. Many of these defendants were already facing 20+ years for Obstruction
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:02 PM
Jan 2022

These leaders have links to Alex Jones and Roger Stone, who have direct links to Trump and the coup architects.

Somebody is going to flip. There are 8-10 lower level militia members who already have cooperation agreements with DOJ.

The vice is tightening…

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
15. Them older fucks will be singing.............
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:16 PM
Jan 2022

glad to see they got Minuta he has a tattoo place in Newburgh NY...

Its been decorated a few times.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
31. Getting locked up not being able to shoot their guns and play with their buddies
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:08 PM
Jan 2022

and the especially their families will be what makes the difference. When asked where grandpa is and the answer is 20yrs in the Pen for trying to overthrown the elected President, that will make them think.

ProfessorGAC

(65,000 posts)
32. Six Are 44 Or Younger
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:13 PM
Jan 2022

That's more than half.
44 or less is middle aged? I think not.
Admittedly, 10 of the 11 are men.
And, angry goes without saying.

Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #18)

Ohio Joe

(21,753 posts)
2. Building cases from the bottom up...
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 03:09 PM
Jan 2022

It gives a good foundation. The DOJ has an amazingly high conviction rate because they bring cases they can prove in court... And now Seditious Conspiracy cases are being brought... And up the chain they will keep going.

Good news

PortTack

(32,757 posts)
5. Yes... really good news! When the feds come for you...know they already have the goods
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 03:16 PM
Jan 2022

There will be no wiggling out of it

dclarston13

(410 posts)
10. Canaries will sing
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 03:25 PM
Jan 2022

These guys got their money to operate from someone that person got theirs from someone else. When these folks talk we will see some more arrests. My guess is that much of the money used to fund the insurrection came from the missing inauguration funds.

Response to AndyS (Original post)

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
7. Penalty for Seditious Conspiracy
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 03:18 PM
Jan 2022

This is from Wiki, there may be additoinal details on current law books.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seditious_conspiracy

Seditious conspiracy is a conspiracy to commit sedition. It is a federal crime in the United States per 18 U.S.C. § 2384:

"If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both."
(Tell me what part of this definition did they NOT do!) 🤨

For a seditious conspiracy charge to be effected, a crime need only be planned, it need not be actually attempted.

According to Andres Torres and Jose E. Velazquez, the accusation of seditious conspiracy is of political nature and was used almost exclusively against Puerto Rican independentistas in the twentieth century.[1] However, the act was also used in the twentieth century against communists (United Freedom Front),[2] neo-Nazis,[3] and terrorists such as the Provisional IRA in Massachusetts and Omar Abdel-Rahman.[4]

Fiendish Thingy

(15,585 posts)
35. Unless...they flip and enable the prosecutions of Jones, Stone and the coup architects. Nt
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 08:36 PM
Jan 2022

Then I’d be cool with letting them off with 50 years…

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
9. A salutary development
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 03:22 PM
Jan 2022

The latest excuse from Wingnuttia is that the failed insurrection of January 6 can't possibly be insurrection or sedition because nobody's been charged with those crimes. These indictments should end (or at least curtail) that bogus talking point.

jaxexpat

(6,818 posts)
26. In the United States of crazy presidential pardons......
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:47 PM
Jan 2022

convictions don't carry much weight. I doubt any of these creatures have so much as an elevated heart rate because of a little indictment.

However, a little Gitmo style hospitality would have these yahoos singing before they touch Cuban soil. Where do we put traitors of notoriety anyhow? I hear the Tortugas are hot and dry. Perfect for an all over tan, even through the orange jumpers.

AverageOldGuy

(1,523 posts)
27. Too bad . . .
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:50 PM
Jan 2022

. . . that the penalty for sedition is 20 years in the slammer. I was hoping for a firing squad.

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