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kentuck

(110,950 posts)
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 04:51 PM Jan 2022

How big of a story is the forged electoral documents?

They signed their names to them.

Who advised them to do that?

Did they know it was illegal?

It is now reported that it happened in seven states!

This part of the coup was well-planned and coordinated.

Is there any Republican that wasn't involved in this conspiracy?

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How big of a story is the forged electoral documents? (Original Post) kentuck Jan 2022 OP
Aside from Rachel I have t heard a peep. onecaliberal Jan 2022 #1
It was on CNN around 6 or 7 AM CST. MuseRider Jan 2022 #6
Well, that's something. onecaliberal Jan 2022 #7
At least we know the J6 committee has the documents Qutzupalotl Jan 2022 #9
Yeah. I mean, at the very least we get to find out about it. onecaliberal Jan 2022 #10
Some local news in Phoenix is following up on it Sanity Claws Jan 2022 #12
That is very good to hear. onecaliberal Jan 2022 #14
It was reported over a year ago. Kaleva Jan 2022 #21
The GOP Chair in my county signed it Freddie Jan 2022 #2
I think that this should be one of the biggest stories, these people w/ their fake or SWBTATTReg Jan 2022 #3
"there is no case law" KT2000 Jan 2022 #4
They all committed crimes according to their own state codes. onecaliberal Jan 2022 #15
Yes, but they will repeat KT2000 Jan 2022 #22
None of them are very bright. The thing of it is. It's illegal. onecaliberal Jan 2022 #25
It is important by itself but is even more important as part of the larger story genxlib Jan 2022 #5
That sounds like a conspiracy to defraud the United States. LastDemocratInSC Jan 2022 #11
So it's up to 7 now? ShazzieB Jan 2022 #8
There is at least one former elector who quit vanlassie Jan 2022 #13
Not terribly big and not terribly new... brooklynite Jan 2022 #16
How big is it vs. how big it SHOULD be? SoonerPride Jan 2022 #17
probably somewhere in between earth-shattering and nothing maxsolomon Jan 2022 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #18
The story was pretty much ignored when first reported in December 2020 so it isn't big Kaleva Jan 2022 #20
They had to have known it was illegal. Hopefully, they will be charged with a federal crime, Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2022 #23
Seditious Conspiracy when 2 or more people conspires to overthrow the government. Emile Jan 2022 #24

MuseRider

(34,058 posts)
6. It was on CNN around 6 or 7 AM CST.
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:00 PM
Jan 2022

It was detailed out but I do not know more than that, I turn all that crap off after CNN Berman and Keiler.

Sanity Claws

(21,822 posts)
12. Some local news in Phoenix is following up on it
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:35 PM
Jan 2022

I saw a video where one of the AZ signers refused to say who told him about the papers and asked him to sign it.

Freddie

(9,232 posts)
2. The GOP Chair in my county signed it
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 04:53 PM
Jan 2022

She should be arrested for election tampering. Of course nothing will happen to any of them.

SWBTATTReg

(21,859 posts)
3. I think that this should be one of the biggest stories, these people w/ their fake or
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 04:54 PM
Jan 2022

forged documents, tried to steal the votes of 10s of millions of us in order to vote the way they wanted the voting to go. No mercy, no holding back the punches, this is definitely a crime of the highest order.

KT2000

(20,544 posts)
4. "there is no case law"
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 04:56 PM
Jan 2022

is what the one of the signers said when interviewed. Bet that will come from every one of them when caught. What idiots.

KT2000

(20,544 posts)
22. Yes, but they will repeat
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 07:24 AM
Jan 2022

what some idiot told them to say. Sounds like it may be someone who is not very bright who set this up.

genxlib

(5,507 posts)
5. It is important by itself but is even more important as part of the larger story
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 04:58 PM
Jan 2022

That this was fully integrated into the overall coup attempt.

The Eastment memo outlined the strategy and it is all predicated on secondary electors. https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a37677592/trump-lawyer-memo-mike-pence-overturn-electoral-college/

The memo starts with the line “7 states have transmitted dual slates of electors to the President of the Senate.”

Step 3 of the memo “At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. …There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.”

After expected protests, Step 4…”Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well.”

I think this is important to note because it certainly appears to be more than just a bunch of yahoos playing wishful thinking. They were laying the groundwork as part of an overall coordinated effort.

I would think that there have to be coordinating communications connecting all these people to the overall plan

brooklynite

(93,858 posts)
16. Not terribly big and not terribly new...
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:39 PM
Jan 2022

They may get indicted, but this crackpot activity was reported months ago and the fake certificates were ignored by the Archivist.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
17. How big is it vs. how big it SHOULD be?
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:53 PM
Jan 2022

It SHOULD be an earth shattering scandal and result in instant indictments.

But in reality it is a big nothing because we no longer live in a country with the rule of law.

That Donald J Trump is still walking around instigating an ongoing coup is evidence enough of that.

Nothing will happen and the news media will not care.

maxsolomon

(32,990 posts)
19. probably somewhere in between earth-shattering and nothing
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 08:24 PM
Jan 2022

it was reported when they did it back in december 2020.

it really is unprecedented; no one has thought to do it previously. i'm not sure State AGs know how to approach it.

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
20. The story was pretty much ignored when first reported in December 2020 so it isn't big
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 08:46 PM
Jan 2022

"ELECTION 2020|Dec 14, 2020,11:31am EST|60,045 views
Trump Campaign Assembling Alternate Electors In Key States In Far-Fetched Attempt To Overturn Election


Updated Dec 14, 2020, 03:22pm EST
TOPLINE In an unprecedented move, groups of self-styled “electors” arranged by the Trump campaign in battleground states won by President-elect Joe Biden will meet Monday to vote for President Trump and send results claiming he won the states’ presidential elections to Congress, White House advisor Stephen Miller said Monday, the latest of the president’s far-fetched attempts to challenge Biden’s victory—which, like his previous efforts, is almost entirely certain to fail."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/14/trump-campaign-assembling-alternate-electors-in-key-states-in-far-fetched-attempt-to-overturn-election/?sh=7f53e213213a

Here's and OP posted back in 12/20 discussing this:

"Mon Dec 14, 2020, 03:45 PM
Fake electors try to deliver Arizona's 11 votes for Trump "

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14710747

And another:

"Thu Dec 31, 2020, 07:53 PM
Real Biden Elector Moves to Intervene Against Fake Trump Electors Who Sued VP Pence:"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214786069

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
23. They had to have known it was illegal. Hopefully, they will be charged with a federal crime,
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 07:55 AM
Jan 2022

and will be arrested, convicted, and sent to prison for a long, long time.

No quarter for traitors.

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