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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Oath Keeper indictment: If this is true it could be bad news for a lot of people.
According to the indictment, it looks like the FBI broke the encrypted phone app they were using. This could mean the FBI has lots of messages from who ever the Oath Keeper was talking too. People like Roger Stone.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Welcome to DU!!!
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Or persons who saved messages have been offered deals.
There are a lot of possibilities.
mobeau69
(11,074 posts)Either way works. 🇺🇸
C_U_L8R
(44,891 posts)Just somethings take longer or less direct routes.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)All hail the Prosecutors and the Investigators defending democracy!
msfiddlestix
(7,265 posts)So much going on in every direction, it's damn near impossible to find the time required to do more than scan the headlines these days.
This is the first I've read this bit. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
Gonna be on the look out for info on where this leads. So hoping your prediction pans out and maybe enough evidence required to round up those terrorists provocateurs like Stone and Bannon and lock them up in G'tmo. forever.
PatSeg
(46,788 posts)at how quickly I can fall behind. There is so much going on all the time.
msfiddlestix
(7,265 posts)Retirement for Seniors is not a day at the Park!. My days seems to be consumed with all manner of incredibly time and labor intensive tasks relating to all things health, vision, hearing, fitness, finances, end of life documents, endless forms, and that's not even dealing the day to day domestic chores, along with endless bureaucratic hurdles because of COVID/Variants.
I'm not complaining, I have plenty to be extremely grateful for. I could be homeless, but gratefully I am not, and though low income it isn't a fear thank goodness.
Just can't keep up with all the extremely important political, and justice matters. I try to check in every day cuz it's important to me.
And that's about all I can manage, and googling every single question is not an option time wise. and that's why I come to DU!
PatSeg
(46,788 posts)I don't think life was ever so complicated before. I feel both compelled and obligated to stay on top of current events, but there are times when I need to escape it all. Also, being older, I am focusing on end of life and health concerns as well. This is not how I'd visualized my retirement years, but like you, I am grateful that I am not homeless and that I have everything I need.
mucifer
(23,371 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)He had his toadies do it, and they reported to him. He's smart enough to keep from personally creating records. Most of the time, anyhow. Still, his public statements and actions are enough to convict him.
Prosecuting a former President is going to be an enormous challenge. It will take a long time to build a solid case that can be taken to a federal court. No former President has ever been tried for a crime committed while in office. There is a reason for that. If Trump is every charged, it will be news of historical significance. It may not happen.
PatSeg
(46,788 posts)He was more inclined to phone people a whole lot. Though there may be phone records, we don't know what was said unless he was so paranoid that he recorded his calls, something I believe he was known to do.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,438 posts)and she was commenting that "seditious conspiracy" is difficult to prove. The last time it was tried was in 1987, when the parties charged were much more overt and heavily armed (they had anti-tank weapons and land mines). If they couldn't secure a conviction then, it seems to me that juries just don't want to convict angry White men for sedition.
Perhaps if the whole conspiracy is tied to planning by Trump, et al, and tied into the fake electors, we MIGHT have a chance. The problem now is they are running out the clock and unless we can get them tries and convicted before the election in November, the GOP will complete trash the investigation when they regain power, then turn the tables and begin investigating the 1/6 committee, and seek to decertify the 2020 election.
The machinery of justice may grind slow, but grinds fine, but it doesn't grind at all when the machinery comes under new ownership. Once the GOP retakes House and Senate, they will jam further investigation/prosecutions until they can re-install Trump (or worse), then it will be pardon time for anyone who was convicted, and payback time for the Democrats. McConnell won't hesitate to nuke the filibuster and dismantle the Republic.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)It can stop congressional investigations, but not the DOJ.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,438 posts)I mean the 1/6 investigation is toast. Also, I would not put it past the GOP to defund the DOJ to stop prosecutions/investigations.
obamanut2012
(25,906 posts)Because, as MM said, Congress cannot trash a DOJ investigation/case.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,438 posts)or re-directed to investigate "anti-fa", Democrats, and/or prove the 2020 election was illegitimate. Any DOJ investigations will be hamstrung in any manner possible, possibly with the DOJ and AG being threatened with a GOP-led investigation.
You can be absolutely sure that norms, precedents, and perhaps even laws will not stop the GOP from solidifying power once seized.
Mr.Bill
(24,103 posts)Jacket-off Jordan in charge of it.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Also not sure Maddox would be the expert on that but didnt watch.
Besides, the what is taking sooooo loooong crowd must now be totally aware that such a hard charge to prove requires harder evidence
and looks like the prosecutors having reviewed the investigators notes
say, yes
we got the good to tip the scales of Lady Justice so she may remove the blindfold and unsheathe her sword.
Blue Owl
(49,913 posts)Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Picaro
(1,498 posts)The story in the Dallas Morning News has quotes from an encrypted text app called Signal. Someone broke the encryption and then leaked it.
These lovely traitors are in some serious shit.
lark
(23,003 posts)Hope it has people like Gosar, Greene, Bolert, etc. on there too.
getagrip_already
(14,233 posts)Lots of governments can decode whatsapp messages. The russians for example are rumored to be sending the contents of whatsapp messages to the taliban.
But they were probably using something like signal, which isn't believed to be broken (believed is a key word here).
It's more likely though that someone is cooperating and providing the clear text messages to the fbi. Intelligence agencies are loathe to disclose, even obtusely, that they have broken a code.
obamanut2012
(25,906 posts)I know Jessica Watkins did, and she is named in the indictment.
CaptainTruth
(6,546 posts)Emptywheel on Twitter went through one (or more) of the indictments & tweeted several pics from hotel security cameras & excerpts from multiple private (invitation only) Signal groups they were using to communicate. I've included a few examples:
Link to tweet
?t=CKstoZH9xT-wpJV0j9tmdQ&s=19
@emptywheel
Here's the list of the seditious conspiracy defendants: they're the ones who collected weapons at the Quality Inn Ballston.
https://t.co/RZWPrvT9tC
Whatever else the Oath Keepers were doing, they've ruined the brand of both Quality Inn and Holiday Inn.
https://t.co/zAv6t445rZ
The original Oath Keeper indictments spent most of their December narratives talking about hotel reservations. This one replaces credit card bills with this.
Note the Proud Boys, with whom OK was cooperating by then, were thinking the same.
https://t.co/AqgTpFEkY0
So DOJ wants us to know that Rhodes' comment -- at 10:08PM -- correlated or was a response to something else that happened at the same time.
At around that time, for example, Hannity was going nuts that Pence wouldn't do Trump's dirty work.
https://t.co/3wr8aKEr2E
Etc etc etc
duhneece
(4,104 posts)
exactly which firearms he was taking. His trial isnt until March so Im sending up my wish for him to be connected.
And more: Couys Treasurers daughter signed New Mexicos false elector letter.
This is how politics gets neighborly.
dalton99a
(81,065 posts)Members of the Oath Keepers provide security to Roger Stone at a rally the night before groups attacked the U.S. Capitol, in Washington, U.S., January 5, 2021. (Picture taken January 5, 2021. REUTERS/Jim Urquhart)
Roger Stone, former adviser to Donald Trump's presidential campaign, left, departs after speaking during a protest outside the Supreme Court in Washington, D.C., U.S., on Tuesday, Jan. 5, 2021. (Photographer: Stefani Reynolds/Bloomberg via Getty Images)
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)Roger Stone looks like a villain from the 1966 series Batman (Burgess Meredith's Penguin, anyone?), and every time a scene from that show took place in the villain's lair, the camera angle tilted. I think we should take note and every time Roger Stone and his lackies are shown, the picture should be tilted around 30 degrees.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)lol
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)not before.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)The truth will sneak up on you.
Jon King
(1,910 posts)Well yeah, its not everyday there is an armed insurrection attempting to overthrow democracy. The media keeps saying how rare this charge is....but if it is not used under these circumstances than there is no reason for the law to be used ever.
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)+1
RFCalifornia
(440 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,103 posts)long before the insurrection. It's what they do. They did it to the KKK, The Hells Angels, The Mafia, etc.
Hassler
(3,321 posts)AverageOldGuy
(1,460 posts). . . on the weapons they stashed at the Comfort Inn in Arlington VA, across the river from DC.
There have been a lot of hints about the weapons and "Quick Reaction Force" the OathKeepers assembled at a Comfort Inn in Arlington VA.
-- Back in April someone released motel lobby surveillance camera video showing Oath Keepers wheeling in luggage carts filled with cases for long guns.
-- A day or so ago, stills from the same video were in a DU article.
-- There are many references in the indictment to a "QRF" -- Quick Reaction Force -- that appears to have been stationed in Arlington, with firearms, ready to react to the Capitol.
-- I'm also interested in the use of "ham radio" equipment. I'm an amateur radio operator (ham radio); first licensed in 1958. In a number of photos of the Jan 6 mob are guys using Baofeng VHF/UFH handheld radios. The Baofeng are cheap Chinese knock-offs of Japanese handheld radios that are common among amateur operators as well as public service organizations -- ICOM, Yaesu, Kenwood. The cheap Baofeng junk is sold on Amazon. I tried one, kept it for a week, the walked out to the end of my dock and it's now at the bottom of the Potomac River. I suspect the FBI was monitoring their traffic.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Did they really think our FBI and Military couldn't break it?
Now that is funny.
I bet like the enigma machine their little code was broken for a long time. Agents are still listening.
Trump for prison.