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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 10:17 AM Jan 2022

The Oath Keeper indictment: If this is true it could be bad news for a lot of people.

According to the indictment, it looks like the FBI broke the encrypted phone app they were using. This could mean the FBI has lots of messages from who ever the Oath Keeper was talking too. People like Roger Stone.

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The Oath Keeper indictment: If this is true it could be bad news for a lot of people. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Jan 2022 OP
Sure hope so.......... secondwind Jan 2022 #1
Or there was an informant Effete Snob Jan 2022 #2
Maybe it was given to them. mobeau69 Jan 2022 #3
Nothing is unavailable to the FBI C_U_L8R Jan 2022 #4
Pretty much sir, if a dogged investigation of federal sedition is the rabbit. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #16
I have a Favor, if you are able to keep on this story and keep us posted msfiddlestix Jan 2022 #5
Yes, I am amazed PatSeg Jan 2022 #23
I'm barely covering all personal matters msfiddlestix Jan 2022 #33
There is really so much to keep up with these days PatSeg Jan 2022 #35
I wish tfg texted and emailed more mucifer Jan 2022 #6
He didn't, and that was deliberate. MineralMan Jan 2022 #9
Yes, this is true PatSeg Jan 2022 #25
Watching Rachel last night Miguelito Loveless Jan 2022 #7
Congress cannot trash a DOJ investigation. It simply cannot. MineralMan Jan 2022 #10
To clarify Miguelito Loveless Jan 2022 #11
No, the 1/6 inestigation would not be toast obamanut2012 Jan 2022 #17
The congressional committee investigating 1/6 would be either disbanded Miguelito Loveless Jan 2022 #34
And they could put Mr.Bill Jan 2022 #37
Ofc seditious conspiracy is hard to prove...very rare charge for starters. Not much precedent Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #18
Roger Kidney Stone on line one... Blue Owl Jan 2022 #8
Yes sir, the siege engines of justice creep closer and closer to the inner citadel. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #19
DMN story quotes encrypted texts Picaro Jan 2022 #12
Awesome!! lark Jan 2022 #13
whatsapp has been compromised for a while........ getagrip_already Jan 2022 #14
Four Oathkeepers flipped obamanut2012 Jan 2022 #15
They have a lot of Signal messages. CaptainTruth Jan 2022 #20
Cowboys for Trump Couy Griffin who announced at a meeting duhneece Jan 2022 #21
Yep dalton99a Jan 2022 #22
Why aren't these pictures tilted? Mr. Ected Jan 2022 #27
Separated at birth... Effete Snob Jan 2022 #29
omg +1 BeckyDem Jan 2022 #31
Believe it when I see it Sherman A1 Jan 2022 #24
Keep watching. MineralMan Jan 2022 #26
The media is breathless about how sedition is rarely charged.... Jon King Jan 2022 #28
I find those indictments encouraging too. BeckyDem Jan 2022 #30
You have to look at it this way: 1/6 was Fort Sumpter RFCalifornia Jan 2022 #32
I'm sure the FBI infiltrated that group Mr.Bill Jan 2022 #36
No one has earned an orange jumpsuit more than Roger Stone. Hassler Jan 2022 #38
I'm waiting for details . . . AverageOldGuy Jan 2022 #39
It is kinda funny they used encryption. The Jungle 1 Jan 2022 #40
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
2. Or there was an informant
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 10:24 AM
Jan 2022

Or persons who saved messages have been offered deals.

There are a lot of possibilities.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
16. Pretty much sir, if a dogged investigation of federal sedition is the rabbit.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 11:54 AM
Jan 2022

All hail the Prosecutors and the Investigators defending democracy!

msfiddlestix

(7,265 posts)
5. I have a Favor, if you are able to keep on this story and keep us posted
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 10:25 AM
Jan 2022

So much going on in every direction, it's damn near impossible to find the time required to do more than scan the headlines these days.

This is the first I've read this bit. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.

Gonna be on the look out for info on where this leads. So hoping your prediction pans out and maybe enough evidence required to round up those terrorists provocateurs like Stone and Bannon and lock them up in G'tmo. forever.









msfiddlestix

(7,265 posts)
33. I'm barely covering all personal matters
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 02:02 PM
Jan 2022

Retirement for Seniors is not a day at the Park!. My days seems to be consumed with all manner of incredibly time and labor intensive tasks relating to all things health, vision, hearing, fitness, finances, end of life documents, endless forms, and that's not even dealing the day to day domestic chores, along with endless bureaucratic hurdles because of COVID/Variants.

I'm not complaining, I have plenty to be extremely grateful for. I could be homeless, but gratefully I am not, and though low income it isn't a fear thank goodness.

Just can't keep up with all the extremely important political, and justice matters. I try to check in every day cuz it's important to me.

And that's about all I can manage, and googling every single question is not an option time wise. and that's why I come to DU!







PatSeg

(46,788 posts)
35. There is really so much to keep up with these days
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 09:12 PM
Jan 2022

I don't think life was ever so complicated before. I feel both compelled and obligated to stay on top of current events, but there are times when I need to escape it all. Also, being older, I am focusing on end of life and health concerns as well. This is not how I'd visualized my retirement years, but like you, I am grateful that I am not homeless and that I have everything I need.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
9. He didn't, and that was deliberate.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 10:59 AM
Jan 2022

He had his toadies do it, and they reported to him. He's smart enough to keep from personally creating records. Most of the time, anyhow. Still, his public statements and actions are enough to convict him.

Prosecuting a former President is going to be an enormous challenge. It will take a long time to build a solid case that can be taken to a federal court. No former President has ever been tried for a crime committed while in office. There is a reason for that. If Trump is every charged, it will be news of historical significance. It may not happen.

PatSeg

(46,788 posts)
25. Yes, this is true
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:40 PM
Jan 2022

He was more inclined to phone people a whole lot. Though there may be phone records, we don't know what was said unless he was so paranoid that he recorded his calls, something I believe he was known to do.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,438 posts)
7. Watching Rachel last night
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 10:31 AM
Jan 2022

and she was commenting that "seditious conspiracy" is difficult to prove. The last time it was tried was in 1987, when the parties charged were much more overt and heavily armed (they had anti-tank weapons and land mines). If they couldn't secure a conviction then, it seems to me that juries just don't want to convict angry White men for sedition.

Perhaps if the whole conspiracy is tied to planning by Trump, et al, and tied into the fake electors, we MIGHT have a chance. The problem now is they are running out the clock and unless we can get them tries and convicted before the election in November, the GOP will complete trash the investigation when they regain power, then turn the tables and begin investigating the 1/6 committee, and seek to decertify the 2020 election.

The machinery of justice may grind slow, but grinds fine, but it doesn't grind at all when the machinery comes under new ownership. Once the GOP retakes House and Senate, they will jam further investigation/prosecutions until they can re-install Trump (or worse), then it will be pardon time for anyone who was convicted, and payback time for the Democrats. McConnell won't hesitate to nuke the filibuster and dismantle the Republic.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
10. Congress cannot trash a DOJ investigation. It simply cannot.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 11:01 AM
Jan 2022

It can stop congressional investigations, but not the DOJ.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,438 posts)
11. To clarify
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 11:09 AM
Jan 2022

I mean the 1/6 investigation is toast. Also, I would not put it past the GOP to defund the DOJ to stop prosecutions/investigations.

obamanut2012

(25,906 posts)
17. No, the 1/6 inestigation would not be toast
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 11:55 AM
Jan 2022

Because, as MM said, Congress cannot trash a DOJ investigation/case.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,438 posts)
34. The congressional committee investigating 1/6 would be either disbanded
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 03:06 PM
Jan 2022

or re-directed to investigate "anti-fa", Democrats, and/or prove the 2020 election was illegitimate. Any DOJ investigations will be hamstrung in any manner possible, possibly with the DOJ and AG being threatened with a GOP-led investigation.

You can be absolutely sure that norms, precedents, and perhaps even laws will not stop the GOP from solidifying power once seized.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
18. Ofc seditious conspiracy is hard to prove...very rare charge for starters. Not much precedent
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 11:58 AM
Jan 2022

Also not sure Maddox would be the expert on that but didn’t watch.

Besides, the “what is taking sooooo loooong crowd” must now be totally aware that such a hard charge to prove requires harder evidence…and looks like the prosecutors having reviewed the investigators notes…say, yes…we got the good to tip the scales of Lady Justice so she may remove the blindfold and unsheathe her sword.

Picaro

(1,498 posts)
12. DMN story quotes encrypted texts
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 11:31 AM
Jan 2022

The story in the Dallas Morning News has quotes from an encrypted text app called Signal. Someone broke the encryption and then leaked it.

These lovely traitors are in some serious shit.

getagrip_already

(14,233 posts)
14. whatsapp has been compromised for a while........
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 11:33 AM
Jan 2022

Lots of governments can decode whatsapp messages. The russians for example are rumored to be sending the contents of whatsapp messages to the taliban.

But they were probably using something like signal, which isn't believed to be broken (believed is a key word here).

It's more likely though that someone is cooperating and providing the clear text messages to the fbi. Intelligence agencies are loathe to disclose, even obtusely, that they have broken a code.






CaptainTruth

(6,546 posts)
20. They have a lot of Signal messages.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:02 PM
Jan 2022

Emptywheel on Twitter went through one (or more) of the indictments & tweeted several pics from hotel security cameras & excerpts from multiple private (invitation only) Signal groups they were using to communicate. I've included a few examples:


?t=CKstoZH9xT-wpJV0j9tmdQ&s=19

@emptywheel
Here's the list of the seditious conspiracy defendants: they're the ones who collected weapons at the Quality Inn Ballston.

https://t.co/RZWPrvT9tC

Whatever else the Oath Keepers were doing, they've ruined the brand of both Quality Inn and Holiday Inn.

https://t.co/zAv6t445rZ


The original Oath Keeper indictments spent most of their December narratives talking about hotel reservations. This one replaces credit card bills with this.

Note the Proud Boys, with whom OK was cooperating by then, were thinking the same.

https://t.co/AqgTpFEkY0

So DOJ wants us to know that Rhodes' comment -- at 10:08PM -- correlated or was a response to something else that happened at the same time.

At around that time, for example, Hannity was going nuts that Pence wouldn't do Trump's dirty work.

https://t.co/3wr8aKEr2E

Etc etc etc

duhneece

(4,104 posts)
21. Cowboys for Trump Couy Griffin who announced at a meeting
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:07 PM
Jan 2022

…exactly which firearms he was taking. His trial isn’t until March so I’m sending up my wish for him to be connected.
And more: Couy’s Treasurer’s daughter signed New Mexico’s false elector letter.
This is how politics gets neighborly.

dalton99a

(81,065 posts)
22. Yep
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:11 PM
Jan 2022

Members of the Oath Keepers provide security to Roger Stone at a rally the night before groups attacked the U.S. Capitol, in Washington, U.S., January 5, 2021. (Picture taken January 5, 2021. REUTERS/Jim Urquhart)



Roger Stone, former adviser to Donald Trump's presidential campaign, left, departs after speaking during a protest outside the Supreme Court in Washington, D.C., U.S., on Tuesday, Jan. 5, 2021. (Photographer: Stefani Reynolds/Bloomberg via Getty Images)

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
27. Why aren't these pictures tilted?
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:17 PM
Jan 2022

Roger Stone looks like a villain from the 1966 series Batman (Burgess Meredith's Penguin, anyone?), and every time a scene from that show took place in the villain's lair, the camera angle tilted. I think we should take note and every time Roger Stone and his lackies are shown, the picture should be tilted around 30 degrees.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
28. The media is breathless about how sedition is rarely charged....
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:18 PM
Jan 2022

Well yeah, its not everyday there is an armed insurrection attempting to overthrow democracy. The media keeps saying how rare this charge is....but if it is not used under these circumstances than there is no reason for the law to be used ever.

Mr.Bill

(24,103 posts)
36. I'm sure the FBI infiltrated that group
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 09:19 PM
Jan 2022

long before the insurrection. It's what they do. They did it to the KKK, The Hells Angels, The Mafia, etc.

AverageOldGuy

(1,460 posts)
39. I'm waiting for details . . .
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 10:06 AM
Jan 2022

. . . on the weapons they stashed at the Comfort Inn in Arlington VA, across the river from DC.

There have been a lot of hints about the weapons and "Quick Reaction Force" the OathKeepers assembled at a Comfort Inn in Arlington VA.

-- Back in April someone released motel lobby surveillance camera video showing Oath Keepers wheeling in luggage carts filled with cases for long guns.

-- A day or so ago, stills from the same video were in a DU article.

-- There are many references in the indictment to a "QRF" -- Quick Reaction Force -- that appears to have been stationed in Arlington, with firearms, ready to react to the Capitol.

-- I'm also interested in the use of "ham radio" equipment. I'm an amateur radio operator (ham radio); first licensed in 1958. In a number of photos of the Jan 6 mob are guys using Baofeng VHF/UFH handheld radios. The Baofeng are cheap Chinese knock-offs of Japanese handheld radios that are common among amateur operators as well as public service organizations -- ICOM, Yaesu, Kenwood. The cheap Baofeng junk is sold on Amazon. I tried one, kept it for a week, the walked out to the end of my dock and it's now at the bottom of the Potomac River. I suspect the FBI was monitoring their traffic.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
40. It is kinda funny they used encryption.
Sat Jan 15, 2022, 10:06 AM
Jan 2022

Did they really think our FBI and Military couldn't break it?
Now that is funny.
I bet like the enigma machine their little code was broken for a long time. Agents are still listening.
Trump for prison.

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