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Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:18 PM Jan 2022

M. Garland's timing of indictments

is mostly dictated by procedural realities and rebuilding the DOJ but I think it's going to be effective politically. By late summer I'm hoping to see maybe 10 GOP congressmen and hopefully a few Senate candidates running for office while indicted or at least under threat of indictment. Politically speaking, we don't even need convictions to garner the benefit. In fact sedition is difficult to prove so I don't expect blanket convictions as an end game but the political gain should be well worth the effort.







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Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
3. This. I am more encouraged than I have been, but we've been burned too often for
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:24 PM
Jan 2022

any other approach to this.

pwb

(11,261 posts)
2. Yes it is hard to prove what we saw with our own eyes?
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:23 PM
Jan 2022

Just because they were not in the assault doesn't mean they are free and clear. IMO. I agree it will help us next election.

drray23

(7,627 posts)
4. In a sane country that is exactly what would happen.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:38 PM
Jan 2022

In practice I fear the gop will turn that into a "Democrat's witchhunt" and their base will believe it. That's already the narrative what McCarthy and his ilk are pushing.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
5. I'm not an attorney nor do I play one onscreen so I'm in no position to criticize
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:45 PM
Jan 2022

Mr. Garland. I am in a position to be very pleased, however.

I look forward to seeing what happens when indictments are issued, arrests are made and
a jury is presented with THE FACTS. It's my understanding that a conviction for
SEDITION carries a mandatory heavy sentence. Let the games begin!

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
7. Expecting heavy jail time
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:53 PM
Jan 2022

is setting yourself up for disappointment. It's hard to prove and you probably get some Trumpers on juries in criminal trials where you need 12 votes for convictions.
My point is to capitalize politically and let justice fall where it may.

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Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
11. Conspiracy
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:59 PM
Jan 2022

is the easier charge. That's where all the electronic evidence helps.
But I believe actually proving sedition relies on proving they had an actual chance of overturning the government-subjective and more difficult to prove IMHO.

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kysrsoze

(6,019 posts)
8. I'm betting a lot of these indicted pricks will roll over and name names
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:54 PM
Jan 2022

It’s already happened in some circumstances - people turning on each other. And I suspect Justice Dept is also betting that will happen when these losers are facing hard time.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
9. WOW, how can you equate AG Garland's actions with political motives? He's no Bill Barr.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:57 PM
Jan 2022

Thankfully, we had an election, put down a coup attempt, and got rid of the people politicizing the DoJ.

Did you even listen to AG Garland's speech?



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Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
12. Not equating Barr to MG
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:02 PM
Jan 2022

but simply addressing the political realities. MG is simply and properly following the facts and the law.

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