I had a horrifying dream last night:

[PCIntern]

I had a vivid dream that I was in a reeducation camp, as they like to call them, and I ran into all these liberal celebrities. Weirdly, Michael Kinsley, Rachel, and Adam Schiff talked to me because I had become the de facto camp dentist and they all somehow required my services. . Now here is the very strange part: at any point people could leave but nobody did and nobody would say why they hadn’t exited. Of course, there were other aspects of the dream hitch are fuzzy to me but I can’t remember what they were, although they were significant during the experience.

Now normally I don’t post stuff like this, but it got me to thinking: if you were in such a place, who do you think you might run into from the liberal establishment ? The frightening part is, that this is not an absurdist, surrealistic concept. It very well could happen under these Nazis who purport to be “simply” Republicans. Anyone who thinks they could not justify rounding people up and putting them away is fooling themselves. The same thing was said in Germany before the nightmare began in earnest.

It’s gonna be one weird day with this rattling around in my brain…

[SheltieLover]

1. Maybe nobody left because they were in such great company

Sounds like a reaction to the pillow pusher fool saying he wants to imprison 300 mill Americans.

Sorry you had this nightmare.

[Klaralven]

2. "at any point people could leave but nobody did" -- very interesting

You're a prisoner of groupthink?

[gab13by13]

3. If Trump is the dictator,

it will be worse than reeducation camps. Canadian government is making plans in case the US falls into a dictatorship, not joking.

[Septua]

7. "..worse than reeducation camps."

That's what I been saying...Trump is a paranoid, egocentric psychopath, void of ethics or morality. No telling how far the crazy sumbich would go if he had absolute power.

[jaxexpat]

30. He might "nuke" a hurricane, for starters.

Then initiate Roman style, lethal arena combat and other public executions. And that before his 2:00 pm breakfast.

[Karma13612]

20. What plans?

We live along the Canadian Border in StLawrence County NY-21. I’d miss wintering in North Carolina like we are doing right now, but if it meant being safe from GQP’s version of Gilead, I would head there in an instant.

[Texin]

42. As I understand it, it's not that easy to get a long term visa and citizenship

requirements have become harder to obtain unless a person can prove they will not be a burden to the Canadian government, i.e., have to rely on the government dole and/or burden their healthcare system.

[Texin]

41. Is this really true? Canada has got a lot of empty land mass so it's feasible.

But, seriously, is that honestly happening?

[ck4829]

4. I have said something to this effect. The right-wing's camps would have no guards or walls

But they would be counting on the politeness and the unwillingness to make a scene that far too many liberals seem to have.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10029516981 (From back in 2017)

https://democraticunderground.com/100211473766 (There's also my post on pluralistic ignorance. Only the far-right agrees with far- right ideas, but they are working to make it seem 'weird' that people would dare to vocalize against those ideas)

[gab13by13]

8. From your old post,

"Don't give them any platform and don't let them think America agrees with them."

I watched an msnbc anchor yesterday do a segment on Trump's upcoming rally in Arizona which is comprised of speakers who advocate the Big Lie. The msnbc anchor even rationalized her coverage of the event saying Trump was a former president and when we cover it we fact check it. Not lying, she went out of her way to explain why msnbc has to cover the event.

I can fact check the event right now. I know what is going to be said, I heard it before and I certainly don't need to hear it again.

[WinstonSmith4740]

21. Just spit-balling here...

Andrea Mitchell?

[gab13by13]

27. No, she was on right before Nicolle,

I only watch Nicolle, Chris, and Rachel but I turned on msnbc early because I watch when riding my bike.

[Jon King]

5. Our military is 44% minorities.

Our military is 44% minorities, hard to form a Nazi Storm Trooper uniformed force when almost half your military would fight the other half in such a case. Germany certainly had no such diversity then.

No, these folks just want to keep power and make lots of money for themselves and their kids and nieces and nephews with connections from their corporate donors.

The dregs that stormed the Capitol might want what you suggest to happen, but the big shots that control things are only using them. In the end they just want to keep the money rolling in, they have no real interest in rounding anyone up. They just use the dimwits to maintain their hold on power.

[gab13by13]

9. The people funding the coup are already billionaires,

they are American oligarchs, they selected the people on the Supreme Court. You underestimate the mental insanity of Donald Trump.

As I already posted, the Canadian government is in discussions about how to prepare for an American dictatorship.

Trump deliberately lied about the danger of Covid which caused the deaths of thousands of people. He lied about it because it would make him look bad, the economy would falter.

When someone tells you who they are, believe him. Trump said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and no one would care, believe what he said.

If Trump becomes dictator, the Pinocet-style coup will begin in 2025.

[Jon King]

14. We have now become Qanon consporacy thinkers.

Oh for goodness sake, what is going on with this forum? None of this is happening. Mega corps want a stable US, they use the dimwit MAGAs to get people voted in to get corporate tax breaks. The freakin Oath Keeper god of the MAGAs is arrested and jailed and not even one violent protest or act has occurred.

Comparisons to Nazis and Pinocet are beyond Qanon type nonsense. Our military is 44% minorities....what was the composition of the German military and Chilean military back then???

Geez, time to step away from this forum for a while. Instead of focusing on how to message for the midterms to suburban voters on crime, inflation, borders, climate change, we are discussing nonsensical conspiracy theories.

Over and out.

[Woodwizard]

29. Was thinking the same.

I follow a couple of Qnut forums some of the parallels of imagined what if fear mongering is eerily similar.

At least no one on here is talking about lizard people and harvesting children.

[gab13by13]

33. Why do you follow Qanon forums?

I wouldn't even know how to do that. How did you find them? How many are there?

[Woodwizard]

36. I know a few Q nuts so I decided to find out what is going on

greatawakening dot win

patriot dot win

Are two of the popular Qnut social gathering spots

There is some real cesspools like 8kun I do not go there they are really out in the insanity realm.

I like to keep up to date on the beliefs of the crazy people around me. These people are completely delusional and no amount of polite reasoning is going to bring them back.

[gab13by13]

32. They already have the tax breaks,

Corporate America isn't who is behind this coup, if it were, then I agree with you. Citizens United opened the door for the Federalist Society, the Heritage Foundation, the Koch brothers ALEC and many others.

Russia and China have formed an alliance and no doubt are funneling tons of money into turning the United States into an autocracy.

Have you ever listened to Sheldon Whitehouse speak about dark money? I hate to tell you but Sheldon Whitehouse is no conspiracy theorist.

A Republican just lost an election in Florida in a 5 to 1 Democratic district, he got less than 20% of the vote, he got smeared in a landslide. He is not conceding that he lost. This one case won't matter because Speaker Pelosi will seat the winner, but this is an example of what is in store for the next election.

Don't make the messaging for the midterms so complicated, one side is for democracy, the other side is for autocracy. One side is patriotic and pro-democratic, the other side is un-American, one side backs the Constitution, the other side does not.

[Septua]

24. ".. hard to form a Nazi Storm Trooper uniformed force..."

Doesn't he already have them...Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, etc? He could take the oath in Jan '25, immediately fill the cabinet positions with disciples and do whatever the hell he wants, with no interference from the military. He'd have it all planned out long before Inauguration Day and it would initiate as soon as he said, "So help me God."

That's sounds like a fantastically fictitious movie scenario but tell me it's not possible...

[XacerbatedDem]

43. Yes, but

we'd have the filibuster, for what good that would do...

[MyMission]

6. "it's safer in here than out there?!?"

That was one thought.

Like in the movie it's a wonderful life, the town turns into potterville and it's an awful place.
If the magats ran stuff it would be like that, and I wouldn't want to go into their world.

My other thoughts I hesitate to mention, but here goes...
I'm also Jewish, and didn't lose family in the Holocaust because they left before. Nazis had ghettos before they had the extermination camps. When 45 was elected my Jewish blood screamed to me "beware! Run far and fast.!!!" Now I didn't run yet, but your dream could be somewhat prophetic. And I expect magats wouldn't limit their retribution on Jews, but 3/4 to 4/5 of us did not vote for their dear leader. We know they'd go after anyone who didn't go along with or support them. Like Nazi Germany.

My uncle married a German, non Jewish woman who told me if folks went against Hitler as he was rising to power they were brutalized and or ostracized. Ostracized together is better than brutalized by cult members and mobs.

[Jon King]

10. We need to come back to reality please.

Come on folks, none of this is reality and only distracts from the job at hand, the midterms and then 2024.

No one is rounding anyone up. The freakin leader of the Oath Keepers, a right wing god, was arrested and not one dang thing happened. Trump left office and not one thing happened since. There is no force going to round anyone up. Our military leaders spoke out against any political force and our military is 44% minorities for goodness sake. 99.9% of Trump voters just want to watch football and type on their computers. No one is forming mass forces of storm troopers.

We distract from what we can control. The suburban voters in VA were told their kids were being taught CRT and would compete in sports vs trans kids. They were told Dems were soft on crime and borders. Inflation is running high and the price of milk and gas is high.

These are the issues we need to focus on, winning back suburban voters. Not this silly stuff about concentration camps which has zero percent chance of happening.

It is the left wing equivalent of Qanon type thinking in my opinion.

[gab13by13]

13. They won't need the militias for the next coup.

As Howard Dean said yesterday, the greatest threat to the United States is the Supreme Court. If Trump gains control of the military, all bets are off and it sure appears to me that the military had some involvement in 1/6.

[Jon King]

16. Uggh, we are going to get slaughtered in the midterms.

Instead of focusing on suburb voter messaging to win the midterms, we are worried about nonsense. Of course some military guys are Trumpers, It is what it is. But the leaders of the military were quite firm in their denouncement of being used in any fashion.

This forum is heading in the wrong direction with its focus.

[MyMission]

26. This thread is a discussion about a dream... interpretations vary

You judge this forum?!? Do you mean this thread, or the general discussion forum, or DU.

None of us know what's coming. Contemplating possible scenarios, actions, outcomes is something many of us enjoy doing, or feel it's necessary. What ifs are sometimes nonsense, but more often help us to think of possible solutions or actions to take when or if stuff does happen.
And sometimes it's just a conversation...

[gab13by13]

35. There is only one message for the midterms

Democracy v autocracy, keep it simple.

As far as the military goes, I see that the select committee has asked Christopher Miller to testify.

[Septua]

28. "..the issues we need to focus on, winning back suburban voters"

But all that assumes we'll be able to vote and the votes will be counted and accepted.

[relayerbob]

49. Agreed

[gab13by13]

11. Churchill's quote comes to mind,

you may disagree with it. I can only paraphrase it. He said the only thing worse than Hitler bringing evil and death in the world was good people standing back and allowing it to happen.

[milestogo]

12. Rachel was reporting on the camp, and Adam Schiff was making the laws.

It was a new liberal society.

[Ford_Prefect]

15. The Adolph's people in Germany thought they were good patriots doing responsible work.

That's in the interviews done prior to the Nuremberg trials. Soldiers, officers, and citizens alike felt that way. They believed they were doing good, responsible things for their country by containing and eliminating a dangerous threat to their way of life and their nation.

[Jon King]

18. And what percentage of German population and military were minorities, suburbanites, etc. then?

Seriously? This is the direction this forum is heading? Instead of working on our midterm plan to win back suburban voters we are now correlating 2022 America with Germany from back then? Demographics anyone?

Wow, simply, wow.

[Ford_Prefect]

23. And how many millions of Jews, Gays, Gypsies, intellectuals, socialists, teachers

and so many others did the NAZI regime murder in the camps and throughout the countries they conquered?

This IS the mentality a significant number of American Republicans presently hold. It is a factor in the next election and the possible events prior to it.

If you doubt how effective and dangerous they are try attending a local school board meeting or go to a session of your town or county council. I guarantee you will be surprised at how vocal, involved and influential they have become in those institutions.

[gab13by13]

37. Worse than that,

they are getting elected to those positions.

The idea that the military wasn't involved in 1/6 is provably wrong. The military lied about General Flynn being in on the call re: deployment of the Guard. The rules were changed for who could authorize the deployment.

Last but not least, the select committee must also be into conspiracy theories because it has requested that Christopher Miller testify, Miller was the Secretary of Defense during the insurrection.

What some people here do not understand, they don't get what will suppress voter turnout faster than anything, and that is if voters believe that the people who were behind the coup are not held accountable. What will bolster Democratic turnout will be watching the people who were behind the coup being indicted, because when that happens, the MSM will have to cover that and it will become the narrative leading into the election. JMHO. Indicting those traitors will be what saves our democracy.

[XacerbatedDem]

47. I was stationed in Germany for 2 years while in the Army and visited one of the

concentration camps. I can't remember the name of it now, but it was, to say the least, a sobering experience. They took us through the bath house where they gassed the Jews and described the procedure; then to the crematorium where the bodies were burnt. What got me the most, outside the crematorium were these huge mounds, some twenty to thirty feet tall, all covered with grass by then, with flags from different countries like Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc. I asked our guide what they were about and he said they were where the ashes from the crematorium were piled, and the numbers underneath, all in the hundreds of thousands, an estimate of those who were lost.

Hundreds of thousands, but no breakdown on demographics.

[malaise]

17. Scary indeed

Rec

[Jon King]

19. Folks, if you do not come back to reality, we are heading to a bad place.

I'll leave you to discuss your concentration camp theories. Never thought this forum would turn into a progressive type Qanon.

Best of luck to all.

[Klaralven]

25. Drawing parallels between our situation and the Weimar Republic is complete nonsense

Hitler and the Nazis did not overthrow a stable democracy. The Weimar Republic was more or less a vassal state established by Britain and France to extract war reparations from the German people. It did not have defined borders until the Locarno Treaty in 1925. Hindenburg began to rule by emergency decree in 1930. So it really existed for about 6 years, about one and a half of our presidential terms.

Meanwhile, between the armistice of 1918 and Hitler's chancellorship in 1933 there was starvation, street battles, revolts, attempted coups, hyperinflation, and economic depression.

[gab13by13]

39. Please read post #37.

[NutmegYankee]

50. Speaking of Qanon, what do you consider their "Storm?"

I take "The Storm" to be similar to the Interahamwe implementation of the Rwandan Genocide. It's basically a fantasy of murdering political opponents, and it has a hold on an not insignificant portion of the Republican Party.

When your political opposition is openly talking about murder, it's negligence to ignore it.

[bucolic_frolic]

22. They don't need camps to massage our brains

They have FAUX NEWS and the rest of the media that reports on what they say.

The good news is there's no upside for them from here. They've reached max saturation.

[Jon King]

31. They are having this exact same discussion on Brietbart.

Except George Soros, Bill Gates, Bezos are the billionaires funding it and Pelosi is running the camps. And the re-education camps are to indoctrinate anyone who voted for Trump that white people are bad and all kids are born gender neutral. They have had these discussions for years now.

I suppose each sides re-education camps can field a football team and perhaps there can be an annual Super Bowl type event.

[nuxvomica]

34. BTW, in dreams, teeth signify power

So as camp dentist, your job was to restore the liberals' power.

[relayerbob]

38. No snark here, but

This is very unhealthy. You need to step away from the news and DU and clear your mind. Go out for a hike and stay offline for awhile. The fear is *exactly* what the right tries to induce in people, and that fear is causing our overall natioanl mass psychosis. Seriously.

[gab13by13]

44. Not a nice post bob,

if you truly feel that our nation can never turn into a dictatorship then you haven't been following along.

If we end up in a dictatorship one person makes the rules, and if that one person is a mentally ill person the ramifications are endless.

Not talking about the possibility that we can end up in a dictatorship is a conspiracy theory in itself.

The #1 way to get people to vote in the next election is to indict the people behind the coup. The MSM will have to cover it and it will be the narrative leading into the election. On the flip side the #1 way to discourage voting is to not hold the coup plotters accountable.

You can talk about a dozen other suburban issues but they won't mean a damn thing if traitors are not indicted, people will lose faith in our democracy. JMHO.

[relayerbob]

48. Don't tell what I'm not "following along" with

This post was about one person's nightmares, and the effect this is having on mental health. If you think your paranoia and complete lack of understanding of my post, is actually going to help solve the problems ... it won't. Working to get the traitors out of office is an entirely different matter.

[flying_wahini]

40. As I always say; people thought Jewish wives were just hysterical instead of listening to them

Before the war broke out. Sadly, not enough families left when they should have.

I have decided that it might be easier to buy an escape cabin for our young’uns
if things get any worse. We won’t be the only ones.

[gab13by13]

45. Yeah, I'm done with this debate.

don't worry, be happy, ehh?

[NutmegYankee]

46. A lot of people here are whistling past the graveyard.

I get it. European Jews made this mistake in the past, assuming their society wasn't capable of such horrors. I have no doubt we are repeating that mistake.

[Skittles]

51. de facto camp dentist

[PCIntern]

52. Thank you for noticing that

Clearly, I don’t dream of doing dentistry, but I do dream often of being the dentist for whatever contexts I happen to be in. It is the one flashes reality in my very odd book of dreams which are often surrealistic even by (my) dream standards.