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TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 10:28 AM Jan 2022

I believe anyone who blames Joe Biden for not accomplishing more,

needs to explain how THEY would get Manchin and Sinema to actually behave as Democrats. Those frauds are the problem

The blame needs to be directed where it belongs.

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I believe anyone who blames Joe Biden for not accomplishing more, (Original Post) TNNurse Jan 2022 OP
Not to mentiion 50 lock stepping pukes? pwb Jan 2022 #1
Yep. LoisB Jan 2022 #9
Absolutely. They keep getting left out of the equation and that pisses me off. nt chowder66 Jan 2022 #38
If your objective is to bring down Biden and the Democrats Mr. Ected Jan 2022 #2
Clearly, why be honest to accomplish your goal??? TNNurse Jan 2022 #3
I've been seeing folks blaming him in a lot of places. My response to them airmid Jan 2022 #4
Why aren't so called GOP "moderates" thucythucy Jan 2022 #5
This! Every day, every second of the day. nt chowder66 Jan 2022 #20
We should attack all repugs on voting rights KS Toronado Jan 2022 #28
I see posts from Stephen King to his followers Tree Lady Jan 2022 #34
I don't understandwhy Biden is being blaimed for not accomplishing what was extremely Beastly Boy Jan 2022 #6
Biden seems not to care about passing his own agenda ProfessorPlum Jan 2022 #7
A friend of mine who voted for Biden mountain grammy Jan 2022 #15
yes, he seems like a kind person ProfessorPlum Jan 2022 #42
Biden doesn't care! Who says, Media? Budi Jan 2022 #23
Good suggestions. lildDemz Jan 2022 #31
Maybe Joe knows if he pushed too hard Tree Lady Jan 2022 #36
That's absurd. He has been out there fighting for his agenda. chowder66 Jan 2022 #41
this is a ridiculous post ProfessorPlum Jan 2022 #43
And just how is Biden supposed to get people to get vaccinated, TNNurse Jan 2022 #8
Thank you. I just had the same conversation yesterday. He has asked, begged, tried to mandate LoisB Jan 2022 #11
He could do it the Republican way: CozyMystery Jan 2022 #12
Offer money to be fully vaxxed. SYFROYH Jan 2022 #19
Exactly! Sick of ppl blaming President Biden. PortTack Jan 2022 #10
Best to avoid today's NYT Opinion section. Paladin Jan 2022 #13
The guardian had a hit piece a few days ago about hoe the Biden/Harris administration has BoomaofBandM Jan 2022 #14
An understanding of how government apparatuses work would be helpful pandr32 Jan 2022 #16
Absitively Posolutely! calimary Jan 2022 #17
That's cute, I see what you did there KS Toronado Jan 2022 #27
Soitenly! calimary Jan 2022 #40
The blame is intentional & it has an agenda. Budi Jan 2022 #18
They'll mean "why isn't he building the wall" JohnnyRingo Jan 2022 #21
Joe did campaign on being able to work with Republicans to get things done. SYFROYH Jan 2022 #22
Joe isn't Houdini. He can't pull sane Republicans out of a hat to work with. At this point Vinca Jan 2022 #24
I know but thats not what he said when he canpaigned SYFROYH Jan 2022 #26
That's nice. I hope you have a suggestion for him when it comes to Republicans. Vinca Jan 2022 #30
I will not hold Biden responsible for his honest effort to work with the Republicans. chowder66 Jan 2022 #37
I don't get why this is all framed with the words blame & fault Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2022 #47
Trump would use kompramat to keep his senators in line, maybe Biden Meadowoak Jan 2022 #25
Democrats have never played dirty like the GOP. TNNurse Jan 2022 #29
It also unfortunately tends to hurt honest, decent, hard working and average people -- like many of KPN Jan 2022 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author KPN Jan 2022 #32
You are so right! Those two are massive disappointments (watching my language). liberalla Jan 2022 #35
AMEN!!!!!! Stinky The Clown Jan 2022 #39
+1,000,000 highplainsdem Jan 2022 #44
The voting rights bills were put on the back burner ibegurpard Jan 2022 #45
Oh, I have some criticism, he is not perfect. TNNurse Jan 2022 #46
They are priority number 1 iemanja Jan 2022 #48

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
2. If your objective is to bring down Biden and the Democrats
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 10:34 AM
Jan 2022

The proper course of action is to ignore the reasons and point a long, crooked finger at the President.

airmid

(500 posts)
4. I've been seeing folks blaming him in a lot of places. My response to them
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 10:40 AM
Jan 2022

was to get out the vote. Give a Dem President the majority they need to pass legislation. Otherwise…they need to shut the f up.

thucythucy

(8,045 posts)
5. Why aren't so called GOP "moderates"
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 10:57 AM
Jan 2022

like Romney and Collins under pressure to do the right thing?

As always, Republicans get a free pass.

Why aren't they pressed every time they're in public--why don't you support voting rights? Why don't you support BBB?

But of course, that won't happen. Infuriating but entirely predictable.

KS Toronado

(17,195 posts)
28. We should attack all repugs on voting rights
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:25 PM
Jan 2022

and get them on record why they think it's OK to stand in line for up to 10 hours without food & water in
Georgia along with the road blocks in other states, make them explain their positions.

Tree Lady

(11,448 posts)
34. I see posts from Stephen King to his followers
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:38 PM
Jan 2022

All the time going after Susan. There are people trying.

Beastly Boy

(9,304 posts)
6. I don't understandwhy Biden is being blaimed for not accomplishing what was extremely
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 11:30 AM
Jan 2022

unlikely to be accomplished in the first place.

Biden was determined to "go high" - a progressive mantra of the past few years. From the beginning, this lofty aim was contrary to the political realities of the day, Manchin, Sinema and the evenly divided Senate being some of these realities. Yet, he took the risk and went high anyway, and he accomplished a hell of a lot, despite the odds. He ought to be congratulated for it rather than be criticized for not accomplishing more.

ProfessorPlum

(11,254 posts)
7. Biden seems not to care about passing his own agenda
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 11:47 AM
Jan 2022

There are a million things Biden could do to make Manchin and Sinema's lives worse. Executive orders to harm Manchin's coal profits. Badmouthing them and naming them both as villains. Urging Democratic voters in their states to primary them. Prosecuting Manchin's daughter for her obvious fraud. Taking control of the narrative. Spelling out the corruption at the heart of both M&C's obstruction, and that of the GOP.

I just don't think Biden acts like he cares about passing anything. He needs to (at least) make a show of fighting for us.

mountain grammy

(26,614 posts)
15. A friend of mine who voted for Biden
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 12:37 PM
Jan 2022

only because he's not trump said to me.. "Biden is weak" and in the next breath tells me she "can't stand Pelosi" I said you're telling me Biden is weak but don't like Pelosi because she's not?

Of course Biden cares, but he is who he is.. not LBJ, not Nancy Pelosi, and not Hillary Clinton, and you know what? Neither was Obama. He's like most of us who want consensus based on what's good for the country, not beating up on people to get what he wants. That's exactly what trump did and still does, and he didn't get anything accomplished except more division and dissention. Biden has accomplished a lot in one year. And yes, I understand how important voting rights are, but I don't think anyone could have managed such a successful vaccine rollout. It's really not his fault that so many Americans are just fucking stupid and selfish.

ProfessorPlum

(11,254 posts)
42. yes, he seems like a kind person
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 03:15 PM
Jan 2022

but to wrest concessions from the wretched and greedy, he needs to be willing to to crush them. Not crushing them leads to the perception of weakness. Biden seems to have good intentions and that's about it.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
23. Biden doesn't care! Who says, Media?
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:09 PM
Jan 2022

"We will tell you how to think"~joseph goebbels on the use of media propaganda messaging

lildDemz

(64 posts)
31. Good suggestions.
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:32 PM
Jan 2022

Not good for Biden. Democrats--all of them--should be doing what you describe. Supporting Biden. I don't picture Biden badmouthing, prosecuting as being productive.

Tree Lady

(11,448 posts)
36. Maybe Joe knows if he pushed too hard
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:41 PM
Jan 2022

They will change sides and become republicans, I bet they have been offered all kinds of stuff to change.

chowder66

(9,066 posts)
41. That's absurd. He has been out there fighting for his agenda.
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:59 PM
Jan 2022

He can't prosecute Manchin's daughter. He is not the AG. Manchin and Sinema talk out of both sides of their mouths and unfortunately Biden wasn't given a healthy majority so he needs their votes where he can get them. If people were to give him that majority then he would have more elbow room to call them to the mat. Using executive orders to harm a sitting member of Congress is a dangerous path to go down.


TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
8. And just how is Biden supposed to get people to get vaccinated,
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 12:03 PM
Jan 2022

wear masks properly and not gather in unnecessary groups???

JUST HOW???

LoisB

(7,199 posts)
11. Thank you. I just had the same conversation yesterday. He has asked, begged, tried to mandate
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 12:22 PM
Jan 2022

it. I guess some people would just rather die.

CozyMystery

(652 posts)
12. He could do it the Republican way:
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 12:22 PM
Jan 2022

Round them up and put them in cages. Not the children, of course. Make sure to separate married couples, don't keep track of who is where./sarc

Paladin

(28,252 posts)
13. Best to avoid today's NYT Opinion section.
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 12:27 PM
Jan 2022

They're taking their usual Sunday shit on Biden. I'm old enough to remember when the NYT was a genuinely liberal publication.

BoomaofBandM

(1,770 posts)
14. The guardian had a hit piece a few days ago about hoe the Biden/Harris administration has
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 12:33 PM
Jan 2022

Dropped the ball on covid. I tried to read it, gave up. I just get irritated.

pandr32

(11,578 posts)
16. An understanding of how government apparatuses work would be helpful
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 12:47 PM
Jan 2022

It doesn't help that TFG used executive orders, emergency proclamations, and acting appointments excessively and with self-interest.

Only a few states require completed 'Civics' classes to graduate from school. I would think it would be as helpful to teach as basic geography and history in elementary school on up.

calimary

(81,209 posts)
40. Soitenly!
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:53 PM
Jan 2022


I’m in a Three Stooges mood today!


Btw - when I was still at the AP, I was checking the wire machines and a story moved that I believe was something involving the Three Stooges.

And it began with …

Wait for it …

“Coitenly!”

I still remember my jaw almost hitting the floor.

Okay, I get what they were after - but “COITENLY”???

My mind went directly to the first syllable and I started laughing at the inadvertent sex reference! “Shit - nobody fixed that? Who was editing over there???”

THAT over anything else taught me more about the value of spelling certain words phonetically for the sake of proper pronunciation and - uh - staying out of trouble…

JohnnyRingo

(18,624 posts)
21. They'll mean "why isn't he building the wall"
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:02 PM
Jan 2022

It'll be from MAGAs complaining that Biden isn't getting more things Trump started done, like tax cuts, deregulation, ridding the country of windmills, and playing golf at a Trump resort.

SYFROYH

(34,167 posts)
22. Joe did campaign on being able to work with Republicans to get things done.
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:05 PM
Jan 2022

He said they would see the light after defeating Trump.


Im ok with holding Biden accountable for his promises as well as Manchin and Sinema. And of course all the Republicans in congress.

Vinca

(50,260 posts)
24. Joe isn't Houdini. He can't pull sane Republicans out of a hat to work with. At this point
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:09 PM
Jan 2022

Saint Ronald Reagan could magically return from the dead as a Democratic POTUS and Republicans wouldn't work with him. All is now done in service to the Great Orange King and if he says don't work with Democrats, his fawning, slobbering, Congressional hacks will follow orders.

Vinca

(50,260 posts)
30. That's nice. I hope you have a suggestion for him when it comes to Republicans.
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:30 PM
Jan 2022

Flowers? Chocolates? Unless Democrats keep the majority in the House and obtain a supermajority in the Senate, Joe is up the creek without a paddle and will only get a fraction of what he had hoped to get done accomplished. If Democrats stay home in a snit next November, it will go from bad to much, much worse. In addition to not getting things done, they'll tie him up with idiotic investigations and even dream up something to impeach him for. Blaming Biden - as the media seems to love to do more than anything else these days - is a recipe for Trump back in the Oval and, quite probably, the end of democracy as we know it because one party will be in control forever. To be honest, I wasn't a fan of Biden at all and I'd still be happier if the candidate I supported had won, but I do think he's an honest, sincere, intelligent man who only wants the best for this country and all of its people. He should be getting a hell of a lot more respect than he's currently getting from everywhere. He's trying his hardest with what he's got to work with.

chowder66

(9,066 posts)
37. I will not hold Biden responsible for his honest effort to work with the Republicans.
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:41 PM
Jan 2022

They say one thing when the mic is off and then another when it's in their faces. They lie as they breathe.

His longtime service to our country included working with Republicans so he had reason to believe there was a possibility there.
I'd bet that it's because of what they said to him behind closed doors. They just didn't mean it or had other intentions.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
47. I don't get why this is all framed with the words blame & fault
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 06:17 PM
Jan 2022

To me, that sets up the very argument itself - for blaming and faulting someone.

Instead, strikes me that looking at the facts that show there are issues with strategy that are not working and figure out how to improve is a much better approach.

Blaming things on any other entities does nothing to solve problems.

Meadowoak

(5,545 posts)
25. Trump would use kompramat to keep his senators in line, maybe Biden
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:10 PM
Jan 2022

Should find some dirt on ManSinema.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
29. Democrats have never played dirty like the GOP.
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:27 PM
Jan 2022

Unfortunately for those of us who are honest and decent, playing dirty is effective.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
33. It also unfortunately tends to hurt honest, decent, hard working and average people -- like many of
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:35 PM
Jan 2022

us.

Response to TNNurse (Original post)

liberalla

(9,234 posts)
35. You are so right! Those two are massive disappointments (watching my language).
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:40 PM
Jan 2022

I almost* wish we could outbid (out-bribe?) the current high bid, or had kompromat to use against them... Getting in the gutter for the greater good is justifiable, right?

Key word is 'almost'. Frankly, I have caught myself off guard even having these thoughts, but that's how frustrated and angry I feel.


ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
45. The voting rights bills were put on the back burner
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 05:01 PM
Jan 2022

They should have been priority number one! Blitzed out of the starting gate. That's my only criticism.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
46. Oh, I have some criticism, he is not perfect.
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 05:12 PM
Jan 2022

I want the USPS straightened out...I want DeJoy out of there.

We have been getting every other day rural mail delivery on and off.

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