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Demovictory9

(32,421 posts)
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 08:24 AM Jan 2022

17 year old arrested for altering electronic road sign to display racist message





Teen charged with putting up racist message on Sumter road sign
Officers say a 17-year-old is responsible for putting up the racial slur.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/teen-charged-with-putting-up-racist-message-on-sumter-road-sign/vi-AASQK80


https://news.yahoo.com/south-carolina-road-sign-changed-170611290.html


“HONK IF YOU HATE N*GGERS,” the sign read on Saturday in Sumter, South Carolina

Police are on a search in South Carolina for the person who tampered with an electronic road sign, changing its text to display a racial slur.

The text on the sign, set up in the city of Sumter, was altered to display an offensive command that included the n-word. Sumter has a population of roughly 43,000 with a racial divide of roughly 49% Black and 44% white, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

https://news.yahoo.com/south-carolina-road-sign-changed-170611290.html

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17 year old arrested for altering electronic road sign to display racist message (Original Post) Demovictory9 Jan 2022 OP
Seems To Be Learned Behavior ProfessorGAC Jan 2022 #1
Absolutely transgenerational! SheltieLover Jan 2022 #5
Maybe been at it since he was a small kid with his peers Norbert Jan 2022 #69
The little puke North Shore Chicago Jan 2022 #2
What a truly liberal notion. Loki Liesmith Jan 2022 #7
As is post 6. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2022 #9
Well, at least they're not calling for his execution. Lancero Jan 2022 #32
Yes, that will certainly encourage him to change the way he thinks... Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #25
Two things: North Shore Chicago Jan 2022 #37
I understand the anger, absolutely. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #44
Obviously I am far more jaded than you. North Shore Chicago Jan 2022 #58
Thank you for the compliment, it's appreciated. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #122
"We don't Act on Emotion" is simply not true, and never was. msfiddlestix Jan 2022 #85
Allow me to clarify, then. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #91
I gotcha... I agree we shouldn't allow our visceral responses to act violently msfiddlestix Jan 2022 #93
I thought we were on the way back in the 1970s SouthernDem4ever Jan 2022 #45
I maintain that racism overall has changed in several ways. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #79
My take is a little different SouthernDem4ever Jan 2022 #94
Alas, racism will always be with us. It'll never be fully eradicated, I think. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #103
I hope you're wrong SouthernDem4ever Jan 2022 #108
I would love to be wrong on this. Alas, human nature being what it is... N/T Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #123
Deprogramming and reprogramming can help and heal MyMission Jan 2022 #76
100% he thought of it as a prank. I guarantee those will be his exact words to the cops. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #82
I can't even blame a 17 year old TheFarseer Jan 2022 #113
Not a typical view here. LiberatedUSA Jan 2022 #114
I hear you. North Shore Chicago Jan 2022 #115
17 is old enough to know right from wrong Skittles Jan 2022 #128
You would think in the year of 2022 the human race would be more advanced. Emile Jan 2022 #3
Hate Crime. multigraincracker Jan 2022 #4
Post removed Post removed Jan 2022 #6
Summmary executions. How "Democratic" Loki Liesmith Jan 2022 #8
Ain't that the truth. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2022 #11
Funny, a poster told me just yesterday that no one here ever wishes harm on anyone else. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #13
Ha, that's a doozy. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #27
Exactly. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #33
Yeah, my favorite thus far is the one who wants to turn loose the execution squads. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #36
See it here all the time. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #40
Clearly that person closes their eyes and memory to posts they'd rather not see... N/T Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #124
Who do you think would be worse in a... LiberatedUSA Jan 2022 #111
Hmm. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #125
Honestly, I think both sides would be equally reprehensible, just in different ways. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #126
I'd argue it wasn't "lately" UnderThisLaw Jan 2022 #15
Post removed Post removed Jan 2022 #24
Any other groups you're okay with summarily executing? Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #35
Lol! BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #41
I think that it's Ok ForgedCrank Jan 2022 #90
Well WestIndianArchie Jan 2022 #54
how do you decide who gets that label? treestar Jan 2022 #65
Considering WestIndianArchie Jan 2022 #68
You said summary execution treestar Jan 2022 #129
Have fun putting your death squads together, I guess. I want no part of it. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #87
Cool WestIndianArchie Jan 2022 #89
If summary execution of all those you dislike is a game to you, I feel very sorry for you. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #92
Well this is a yikes Sympthsical Jan 2022 #46
Excellent question. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #56
It was a thought Sympthsical Jan 2022 #61
Yikes WestIndianArchie Jan 2022 #57
So there are history books on Amazon Sympthsical Jan 2022 #62
????? WestIndianArchie Jan 2022 #64
Start with general Sympthsical Jan 2022 #71
Wonderful advice! BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #72
Help me WestIndianArchie Jan 2022 #74
Confusing WestIndianArchie Jan 2022 #73
Whooossshhh. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #77
Okay WestIndianArchie Jan 2022 #80
Nah. nt BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #81
Good luck with you endeavors. WestIndianArchie Jan 2022 #83
"Your." BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #84
You seem pretty hostile WestIndianArchie Jan 2022 #86
I still have the pm you sent me some time ago. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #106
No Sympthsical Jan 2022 #88
You misspelled "education" TheProle Jan 2022 #104
Sure, just like if you're not guilty, there's no risk in talking to the police. Dr. Strange Jan 2022 #107
Wow! A voice of logic, moderation and reason. jcmaine72 Jan 2022 #110
It is my curse and burden. Dr. Strange Jan 2022 #117
You sure you're in the right place? nt MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2022 #10
Ok, but let multigraincracker Jan 2022 #12
Try this racist as an adult. dalton99a Jan 2022 #14
This is the perfect example where juvenile charges are warranted. NutmegYankee Jan 2022 #105
lol this fuckin thread WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2022 #16
yeah. It went crazy quickly. Demovictory9 Jan 2022 #116
He has the potential to become a national Republican Party figure. Chainfire Jan 2022 #17
No doubt president of his local young republican club RAB910 Jan 2022 #18
We like to think the racists went away in the 60s. They are still here, there's more of them Walleye Jan 2022 #19
They are more outspoken PatSeg Jan 2022 #22
Yep. They have been hiding among us all along. I still don't know what they get out of it Walleye Jan 2022 #28
I suppose it is recognition and acknowledgement PatSeg Jan 2022 #38
I guess it is the attraction of a gang or a cult to be a part of something. It's pitiful Walleye Jan 2022 #43
Yes, very much like a gang or a cult PatSeg Jan 2022 #52
This is a 17 year old treestar Jan 2022 #66
Yes, I know and kids love to do things that are taboo, but still I'd like to see his parents Walleye Jan 2022 #67
Teens often do things to both shock and repel without thinking through the consequences of their jcmaine72 Jan 2022 #100
"They are still here, there's more of them" Not a chance that is true EX500rider Jan 2022 #121
You can't legislate hate out of people's minds Mr. Ected Jan 2022 #20
I feel sad for this child; he was taught to do this by adults. yardwork Jan 2022 #21
Just as likely he got the attitude and/or idea from an internet cesspool like 4chan. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #30
Online or in person, the perpetrators were likely adults. yardwork Jan 2022 #39
You'd be surprised, I think. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #47
Yes, it isn't always the parents or family PatSeg Jan 2022 #42
Yep, that's exactly what 4chan is. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #50
Yes, we all do what is necessary to survive PatSeg Jan 2022 #55
I'd go looking for his social media Sympthsical Jan 2022 #49
Jail is too good for this little boy Sherman A1 Jan 2022 #23
He should be forced to take an intensive course in critical race theory Walleye Jan 2022 #29
I agree with taking an educational approach here rather than punitive n/t jcmaine72 Jan 2022 #95
Me too. But with some people education itself is punitive Walleye Jan 2022 #97
LOL..true jcmaine72 Jan 2022 #101
I feel like several years of hard labor for a stupid prank is a little extreme. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #31
You have your opinion Sherman A1 Jan 2022 #34
This is obvious. I think your opinion is over the top and ridiculous, as I've said. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #48
Yes, we will have to agree to disagree Sherman A1 Jan 2022 #51
Forgive me, but did I say or imply you weren't entitled to your opinion? I don't recall doing so. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #59
Again, we will have to agree to disagree Sherman A1 Jan 2022 #60
I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. :) Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #127
Right there is ForgedCrank Jan 2022 #98
Hey, he's wearing a mask! Orrex Jan 2022 #26
He'll be a maga hero.. probably a trip to Mar-a-lago mountain grammy Jan 2022 #53
Oh the irony inthewind21 Jan 2022 #63
Stay classy, South Carolina. Aristus Jan 2022 #70
It's not just South Carolina. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #96
racists ruin everything n/t gay texan Jan 2022 #75
Altering a traffic warning sign is pretty reckless Torchlight Jan 2022 #78
Wow, that seems like pretty crappy sign software security gulliver Jan 2022 #99
Yeah, I bet the password required to alter the sign text was the word "password". jcmaine72 Jan 2022 #102
I wouldn't have a clue how to do that. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #118
The human mind has its flaws. LiberatedUSA Jan 2022 #109
His name will get out and he will have a terrible life. Swede Jan 2022 #112
i think that should be a 7 year in the slammer sentence. Trueblue1968 Jan 2022 #119
All I needed to see was which State/Region this happened in. No surprise. nt Progressive Jones Jan 2022 #120

Norbert

(6,038 posts)
69. Maybe been at it since he was a small kid with his peers
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:50 AM
Jan 2022

I've seen it. Some of us woke up and changed while other went off the deep end.

Hope he get court ordered help if it isn't too late.

North Shore Chicago

(3,303 posts)
2. The little puke
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 08:28 AM
Jan 2022

needs to be identified and ostracized for the remainder of his insignificant life. No meaningful career and no peace. Ever.

Lancero

(3,002 posts)
32. Well, at least they're not calling for his execution.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 10:54 AM
Jan 2022

The death penalty is just wrong, but wanting to drive someone to suicide is perfectly acceptable.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
25. Yes, that will certainly encourage him to change the way he thinks...
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 10:44 AM
Jan 2022

Racism is repugnant, there is no arguing otherwise. However, there has to be at least the possibility of atonement and forgiveness for those who sincerely repent of their racism. Otherwise why would they ever change if there's no way back? All your way will accomplish is to harden the attitude and push them further into their hate.

North Shore Chicago

(3,303 posts)
37. Two things:
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 10:58 AM
Jan 2022

First, my reply was out of initial anger (especially today), I stand by my anger but obviously I lacked nuance.

Two, I really am sick and tired of coddling those who behave in this fashion. Putting up with shit and putting up is all seemingly what
liberals are able to do. Meanwhile our house is burning down all around us. Getting tired if words are too tough and all we need is more understanding.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
44. I understand the anger, absolutely.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:15 AM
Jan 2022

But what separates us from them is that we don't act on emotion. We have to take a breath, take a step back, calm down. And who's coddling anyone? I never said anything about absolving this kid (or any racist) of guilt or giving them a pass. What I said was that the punishment should be proportional to the act committed.

Jailing someone for an assault makes sense. This kid didn't hurt or kill anyone. No doubt he thought it'd be funny to provoke people. The way forward here is to educate him and make him understand that even though no one was injured, his words and actions still caused harm, even if the effects aren't visible to the eye.

Racists have to be offered the chance to come back from their ways. If there is zero possibility of redemption, that discourages them from even trying to leave that lifestyle and belief system, because why bother? If you can't be forgiven for a sin, where is the incentive to stop committing it? For those who sincerely repent and make a good faith attempt to make amends, I don't see the harm in offering grace and forgiveness.

North Shore Chicago

(3,303 posts)
58. Obviously I am far more jaded than you.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:35 AM
Jan 2022

I was you approximately 15 years ago.

You seem like an awesome person, please don't get as jaded as I am. Be well and thank you for the conversation.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
122. Thank you for the compliment, it's appreciated.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 08:24 PM
Jan 2022

And I'm sorry that you're jaded, but I can't say I really blame you. It really does seem like we're in an express elevator to hell these days, but we have to hold out hope. There are good people here on DU and out there, fighting the good fight.

And we have to allow for the possibility of grace, forgiveness, and redemption for those who merit it. Not all will do so, but for those who do, we have to let them come back to the right side of history if they choose to repent of their ways and make amends as best they can.

Take care!

msfiddlestix

(7,271 posts)
85. "We don't Act on Emotion" is simply not true, and never was.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 12:30 PM
Jan 2022

We do act on emotion just like all humans do, We're not super human in that regard.

Just calling up events in my lifetime starting with JFK and MLK's assassinations, then the Vietnam War

A whole lot of emotion drove us to direct action with demonstrations/protests/civil disobedience.

These were not merely academic concerns or disputes being expressed in solely in classrooms and debate forums.

I do not dispute or disagree with how we should deal with the issue of discussion, but I think we have to remember and bear in mind our own human nature "failings" (term of art in context) as we attempt to seek justice and address straight on the evils of racism.

I do agree generally with your final analysis.

Racists have to be offered the chance to come back from their ways. If there is zero possibility of redemption, that discourages them from even trying to leave that lifestyle and belief system, because why bother? If you can't be forgiven for a sin, where is the incentive to stop committing it? For those who sincerely repent and make a good faith attempt to make amends, I don't see the harm in offering grace and forgiveness.







Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
91. Allow me to clarify, then.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 12:34 PM
Jan 2022

What I meant was that we can't allow our visceral responses to provoke us into acting violently, because that is how the other side behaves. I should have been more clear. Allowing a visceral response to provoke and propel peaceful, nonviolent protests and civil disobedience is perfectly okay, and has brought about positive change in the past.

I really should have been more clear, sorry about that.

msfiddlestix

(7,271 posts)
93. I gotcha... I agree we shouldn't allow our visceral responses to act violently
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 12:45 PM
Jan 2022


Of course, in theory I totally agree. And it doesn't serve us well.

But as a totally exhausted human in this life long fight, I have on occasion entertained visions of these cretins getting hoisted by their own petard., and relished the image.








Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
79. I maintain that racism overall has changed in several ways.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 12:18 PM
Jan 2022

Outright racism had become comparatively rarer, while the more subtle, more insidious racism had taken its place. At least, that was the case until TFG opened the floodgates and made it okay for them to crawl out from under their rocks.

But I would say that overall, people are less racist now than in the 70s, and more people are anti-racist than they were in the 70s. Back then, it was just the norm. Now it's seen as unacceptable in polite society and people push back, which probably wasn't the case in the 70s. I wouldn't really know, though, as I was born in '79. Just my take based on what I know of that era and what I've seen over the last several years.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
94. My take is a little different
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 12:46 PM
Jan 2022

I lived through those years and was looking at the struggle as progressing passed that point assuming by this millennium it would be a thing of the past looked back as a negative part of our history we overcame. Now I feel like we're back in the sixties starting all over again. The fight against racism is on many fronts, but the overall goal seems to have vanished or at least denied in our society. When half of our voting population thinks putting a white supremacist supporter in our highest office is a good idea, something has gone terribly wrong.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
103. Alas, racism will always be with us. It'll never be fully eradicated, I think.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 01:04 PM
Jan 2022

Some will always look down on others for reasons of race, some will always hate others for reasons of race. It's like any other form of societal herpes, it will just never go away. It might go dormant, it might go underground, but it'll always come back in one way or another.

MyMission

(1,849 posts)
76. Deprogramming and reprogramming can help and heal
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 12:14 PM
Jan 2022

I've said that before.

It seems to me that retraining people not to hate and not to blame is a good thing, for those who commit hate crimes and those who use hateful speech and hold racist or supremacist beliefs.

The violent crimes do require prison time, but when the effort is made to retrain people it usually has a good outcome. I've read about programs that do this. Like systematic desensitization, a technique used to help people with phobias, except it helps with hateful hearts.

The courts will sentence people to community service or driving school. As I write this I think we need a program to deal with civics and humanity and US history as part of a sentencing and treatment plan, for hate crimes and crimes where the offender might benefit from something like that.

Judicial reform is what I guess I'm suggesting. Lock them up! Has certainly become a popular saying and sentiment on both sides. But we do need to get beyond that. It's not the answer for everything, but sometimes it's needed.

This young man clearly has some talents to be able to pull off this hateful prank. I suspect that's how he thought if it, as a prank. He needs to be reprogrammed and redirected.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
82. 100% he thought of it as a prank. I guarantee those will be his exact words to the cops.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 12:22 PM
Jan 2022

But all the people advocating vicious and over the top punishments in this instance are not helping to solve the problem. I understand the visceral reaction, but we have to take a breath, take a step back, and calm down. Acting on emotion is what the other side does. We're better than that.

I agree with everything you said. Thank you!

TheFarseer

(9,317 posts)
113. I can't even blame a 17 year old
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 02:46 PM
Jan 2022

This is all on his parents/community. Not that he shouldn't be punished - He should. When I was 17, I didn't know a damn thing except what my parents and kids at school said.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
114. Not a typical view here.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 03:01 PM
Jan 2022

See Nicholous Sandmann. The absolute hatred is so intense on him, you would think he murdered someone or multiple someones. He didn’t. He stood there and smirked at an individual of a protected class when he was 17. That was his crime.

Skittles

(153,113 posts)
128. 17 is old enough to know right from wrong
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 10:35 PM
Jan 2022

Heck, I served in the military when I was 18. Kids these days have access to the internet so they get more viewpoints than their parents and peers.

Response to multigraincracker (Reply #4)

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
27. Ha, that's a doozy.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 10:47 AM
Jan 2022

Between the people cackling over unvaccinated folks dying from Covid and those wishing painful deaths on pretty much any politician with an R after their name, there's plenty of harm-wishing going around. And let's not forget the grave dancing troupe that shows up after certain deaths.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
36. Yeah, my favorite thus far is the one who wants to turn loose the execution squads.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 10:58 AM
Jan 2022

I'm beginning to understand the results of a poll CNN was talking about a few years ago. They ran a series called "The Divided States of America" in the height of the Trump administration. One of the questions was, "The country would be better off if all members of the opposing party just died. Do you agree?"

I was expecting that a higher proportion of Republicans would agree with that sentiment. To my surprise, that was not the case. It's been a while and I'm going by memory here, but I want to say about 15% of Republicans agreed with that statement, as opposed to like 20% of Democrats. That was quite an eye-opener.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
40. See it here all the time.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:07 AM
Jan 2022

The poster yesterday who said that there were NEVER posts here wishing harm on those we disagree with blew my mind. I almost fell off the couch in disbelief.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
111. Who do you think would be worse in a...
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 02:42 PM
Jan 2022

…Standford Prison Experiment:

The Woke side or The Racist side? If you got a bunch of red necks from the south and a bunch of Twitter “see how much I hate my white skin” posters; which side would be the more vengeful and cruel?

I won’t answer, but I am leaning one way over the other by a notch.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
126. Honestly, I think both sides would be equally reprehensible, just in different ways.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 08:31 PM
Jan 2022

The Racist Side, as you put it, would direct their cruelty and vitriol towards non-whites and any they perceive as "race traitors." If Twitter has taught me anything, the Woke Side would direct theirs towards... well, pretty much anyone who didn't hold the same opinions as them. If you express an opinion on Twitter that isn't der ordnung, it's only a matter of time until someone tells you to kill yourself. So as a practical matter, pretty much identical. Funny, isn't it?

That experiment proved quite handily that a great many people have a dark side to them that rarely makes it to the service, but when it does...

UnderThisLaw

(318 posts)
15. I'd argue it wasn't "lately"
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 09:47 AM
Jan 2022

I’d further argue that posts like that aren’t the most egregious examples

Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #8)

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
35. Any other groups you're okay with summarily executing?
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 10:55 AM
Jan 2022

I mean, while you've got the kill squads out roaming the streets executing people, you may as well make a clean sweep of anyone else you don't like, right?

ForgedCrank

(1,764 posts)
90. I think that it's Ok
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 12:33 PM
Jan 2022

for all of us to be pretty pissed off at what he did, but if everyone would think about it for just one minute they would come to the realization that they are giving this kid exactly what he wanted.
FFS, he's 17. I don't know if he's a real racist or not, but he's 17, and 17 year-olds live to piss off society, it's what they do. And most times, they never give a second thought to the idea that their behaviors and actions might have further reaching serious consequences.
I'm not saying let it go, but damn, calls to execute him or destroy his life forever are childish responses to childish behavior.
Thank God people didn't want to destroy my life to the stupid shit I did when I was a teenager. I don't think any of us would be here if that was the norm.
I trust that his parents are likely handling this appropriately. And the consequences for his actions will likely be a pretty solid life lesson. If we see him doing similar things in the future, I'll change my position on the matter.

WestIndianArchie

(386 posts)
54. Well
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:33 AM
Jan 2022

From what I can see the only group that is displaying psychopathic and sociopathic tendencies are the racist/white supremacists. Its got nothing to do with whether I like them, they are a danger to everyone in the society that wants peace and prosperity. I want peace and prosperity for all. Racism/white supremacy is incompatible with peace and prosperity.

WestIndianArchie

(386 posts)
68. Considering
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:49 AM
Jan 2022

Looks like this kid made the choice for himself, just like all the others I've seen. He knew what he was doing was harmful, but he did it anyway.

I take offense to the fact you would assume that I didn't know what a summary execution is. Privilege much?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
129. You said summary execution
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 01:19 AM
Jan 2022

what did that mean?

But the question was, who decides who does not deserve a hearing and what standard of behavior sustains that?

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
87. Have fun putting your death squads together, I guess. I want no part of it.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 12:31 PM
Jan 2022

If you want to fantasize about that sort of thing, knock yourself out. But some of us aren't interested in behaving like the other side. He who gazes into the abyss, and all that...

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
92. If summary execution of all those you dislike is a game to you, I feel very sorry for you.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 12:35 PM
Jan 2022

You have allowed TFG and his minions to make you like them, in behavior and attitude if not in politics. That's very sad.

Sympthsical

(9,038 posts)
46. Well this is a yikes
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:16 AM
Jan 2022

Is it only the white racists you yearn to exercise this terroristic authoritarianism on? Or would you include everyone who is racist?

Just need to know what to prepare for in this fantasy regime you have going on.

Sympthsical

(9,038 posts)
61. It was a thought
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:40 AM
Jan 2022

Conversely, my partner is Filipino.

His mother's ideas of pretty much every non-Filipino ever are . . . interesting. I'm white, and she still doesn't entirely like me. But as long as the commentary stays expressed in Tagalog, I do not care.

WestIndianArchie

(386 posts)
57. Yikes
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:35 AM
Jan 2022

If you are not a filthy degenerate racist/white supremacist, you really have nothing to worry about, do you?

Sympthsical

(9,038 posts)
71. Start with general
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:59 AM
Jan 2022

20th century is good. Any authoritarian regime. Everyone goes with Germany, but that's lazy. A Chile would do.

WestIndianArchie

(386 posts)
73. Confusing
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 12:08 PM
Jan 2022

I should study authoritarian regimes to figure out why I should be OKAY with racist/white supremacists harming me and my family?

WestIndianArchie

(386 posts)
86. You seem pretty hostile
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 12:30 PM
Jan 2022

Good luck with your endeavors was a gesture of humanity. But, I guess it's a foreign concept to some these days.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
106. I still have the pm you sent me some time ago.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 01:19 PM
Jan 2022

Remember that one? Perhaps I should put it on here so everyone can read your “gesture of humanity.”

Dr. Strange

(25,916 posts)
107. Sure, just like if you're not guilty, there's no risk in talking to the police.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 02:25 PM
Jan 2022

Look, people are stupid. If you're a "filthy degenerate racist/white supremacist" then yes, you might be accused of this. The problem is you might be accused--even if you aren't one. You can be accused of being a Nazi for:
having a tattoo
losing hair to cancer

This is like saying if you're not a rapist, then you don't have to worry about being accused of rape.
Joe Biden might have some input on that one.

Dr. Strange

(25,916 posts)
117. It is my curse and burden.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 04:52 PM
Jan 2022


Actually the greater burden is when I have the explain the brilliance of literature like the Dune series to certain uncultured Philistines. I won't name names, though, so as not to embarrass Orrex.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
105. This is the perfect example where juvenile charges are warranted.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 01:08 PM
Jan 2022

No one is physically harmed, and the behavior is obviously childish. I contrast this with situations where people are intentionally killed or injured, which I consider "adult" crimes that deserve adult punishment

PatSeg

(47,260 posts)
22. They are more outspoken
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 10:35 AM
Jan 2022

than they've been in decades. The defeated former president made it cool to hate again.

PatSeg

(47,260 posts)
38. I suppose it is recognition and acknowledgement
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 10:59 AM
Jan 2022

"The forgotten man" is forgotten no more. I remember that from the book, "It Can't Happen Here" and Trump used it in his campaign speeches. Kind of a classic for populist politicians.

PatSeg

(47,260 posts)
52. Yes, very much like a gang or a cult
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:26 AM
Jan 2022

People want to belong and will go where they can find acceptance.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
66. This is a 17 year old
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:47 AM
Jan 2022

probably trolling more likely. Wanting to get a rise out of people and knows this is how to do it.

Walleye

(30,978 posts)
67. Yes, I know and kids love to do things that are taboo, but still I'd like to see his parents
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:49 AM
Jan 2022

I still think the confederacy was never really defeated and it is enjoying a comeback

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
100. Teens often do things to both shock and repel without thinking through the consequences of their
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 01:00 PM
Jan 2022

actions.

That said, actions should have consequences. This young man should be required to take AND pass a course on understanding the history of racial inequity in our nation and the impact that systemic racism still has on our nation today.

EX500rider

(10,809 posts)
121. "They are still here, there's more of them" Not a chance that is true
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 07:58 PM
Jan 2022

Do you really think a black man stood any chance at all of being elected President in the '60's?

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
20. You can't legislate hate out of people's minds
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 10:22 AM
Jan 2022

But you can punish the hell out of them for being foolish enough to get caught practicing it.

Trump made racists proud to be racist again. Maybe that could be the new slogan for him for 2024: MRPA

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
30. Just as likely he got the attitude and/or idea from an internet cesspool like 4chan.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 10:49 AM
Jan 2022

It's entirely possible he learned it from his parents, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was an online community he's joined. Or both, for the double-whammy of disgusting.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
47. You'd be surprised, I think.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:16 AM
Jan 2022

Places like 4chan, 8chan, and the various other online hellholes are filled to the brim with teenagers who think they're being funny by behaving this way. They egg each other on and reinforce the attitudes.

PatSeg

(47,260 posts)
42. Yes, it isn't always the parents or family
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:08 AM
Jan 2022

If you're looking for hate, it is pretty easy to find these days. Kids who feel unappreciated and invisible can go online and find communities that will embrace them. Then they can find a group of people to look down on in order to build themselves up.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
50. Yep, that's exactly what 4chan is.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:19 AM
Jan 2022

It's a bunch of kids who are what one might call "losers" in real life. Socially awkward, self-esteem issues, the whole gamut of things that make kids outcasts among other kids. They end up at a place like 4chan, and suddenly they're safe and with their own kind. And then they lash out at all those they feel have wronged them. To them, the best thing they can do is provoke a reaction, because then they've been seen and acknowledged at long last.

It's really sad, honestly. That's no way to live.

PatSeg

(47,260 posts)
55. Yes, we all do what is necessary to survive
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:34 AM
Jan 2022

in an often cold, indifferent world. This teen could have been neglected, ignored, and even bullied, and he may have found acceptance with the haters much like the incels.

Sympthsical

(9,038 posts)
49. I'd go looking for his social media
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:18 AM
Jan 2022

4chan is a start. Being a teenager, I guarantee he was bragging about it somewhere. Teenage boys rarely pull stunts like this for their own private shits and giggles.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
23. Jail is too good for this little boy
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 10:38 AM
Jan 2022

He needs to spend several years doing hard labor to the benefit of his community. Preferably wearing a sign for a to see indicating his behavior.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
31. I feel like several years of hard labor for a stupid prank is a little extreme.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 10:53 AM
Jan 2022

No one died. No one was injured. He no doubt thought this was the height of humor, because there's little that teenagers love more than provoking adults. Racism is repugnant, but the knee-jerk reactions and extreme proposals for punishment in this thread are way, way over the top.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
48. This is obvious. I think your opinion is over the top and ridiculous, as I've said.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:17 AM
Jan 2022

But I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
51. Yes, we will have to agree to disagree
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:21 AM
Jan 2022

however, understand that I am just as entitled to my opinion of the punishment that should be handed out to this "little darling" as you are to your opinion of my opinion.

I believe that some as you would describe "over the top and ridiculous" responses to these actors needs to take place in order to serve as an example to the many others who might consider similar activities and put the genie that TFG released back into the bottle.

You disagree, fine, that's life.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
59. Forgive me, but did I say or imply you weren't entitled to your opinion? I don't recall doing so.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:36 AM
Jan 2022

And the "over the top and ridiculous" suggestions for punishment will do nothing but harden attitudes and drive them further into their beliefs. They thrive on the notion that they're persecuted. If you persecute them, all you're doing is validating that belief.

Is that to say that there should be no consequences? No, of course not. Actions always have consequences. But the consequences must be proportional to the act. "Making an example of them" is the same argument that supports the death penalty, and as we know, it has zero deterrent effect on crime. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Why would it be effective in this instance?

For this kid, he needs to be educated on how things like that impact real people in the real world, even if the harm can't be see with the naked eye. Odds are he thinks it was just a stupid prank, so making him understand the reality of his actions is the first step, not throwing him into prison for several years of hard labor.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
60. Again, we will have to agree to disagree
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:39 AM
Jan 2022

and as much as I do disagree with you I appreciate the civility of the exchange. That is and of itself is becoming a rare commodity.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
127. I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. :)
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 08:34 PM
Jan 2022

And thank you as well. We may not all see eye-to-eye on every issue, but we're all DUers and on the same team. Take care!

ForgedCrank

(1,764 posts)
98. Right there is
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 12:52 PM
Jan 2022

the key to almost all racism, it has it's roots right there.

"They thrive on the notion that they're persecuted. If you persecute them, all you're doing is validating that belief."

That's may be the most simple and elegant way I've ever seen it written, and a lot of people could learn from that if they read it for exactly what it says. That statement contains not only the root cause, but also a solution.
I should also say that I don't believe we will ever be able to eliminate racism completely because it takes a certain level of intelligence and self-awareness to see racism for what it really is, and a lot of people are not capable of either. But we can make a significant difference by understanding it and being realistic.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
53. He'll be a maga hero.. probably a trip to Mar-a-lago
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 11:28 AM
Jan 2022

This is so disgusting and disheartening but that's what happens when racists have their very own president for 4 years.

Torchlight

(3,293 posts)
78. Altering a traffic warning sign is pretty reckless
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 12:15 PM
Jan 2022

and there was potential for it to have had really bad results.

The ongoing racism in this nation is a real drag; I wish these people would turn their attention towards doing good works rather than tearing them down.

How much good we could get done if we just put down our hatred and the self-righteousness that invariably follows.

Swede

(33,206 posts)
112. His name will get out and he will have a terrible life.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 02:46 PM
Jan 2022

Schools, work, and other places will google his name, and viola! a racist POS loses.

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