Regarding Kirsten Sinema and Joe Manchin, and pressuring them,

[guillaumeb]

the only things that matter to them are their own voters, and the money coming from their contributors.

Not necessarily in that order, of course.

[Walleye]

1. I don't think they even care about their voters, I don't think either of them expect to be reelected

[Irish_Dem]

2. They don't care for their own voters in the least.

[Emile]

3. Wrong, the only ones that matter to them are the ones with the deepest pockets!

They both will lose their seats if they decide to run again!

[guillaumeb]

4. Never underestimate the ability of uninformed people to repeatedly make bad decisions. eom

[Emile]

6. Given all the bad publicity, primary and let the Democratic voters decide!

[Scrivener7]

8. Lol. And lose the West Virginia seat to a republiQan. Great plan.

[Emile]

13. You really think either one of these two have a chance after sabotaging the Democratic party?

Primary them and if you are so right they'll win the primary and go on to win reelection. But for some reason that frightens you!

[Scrivener7]

14. A little familiarity with West Virginia might help here. As would a review of

civics class. Especially the part about the majority party in the Senate running the committees and deciding which legislation is considered.

But we can agree that Sinema will not be reelected and that will be good for us.

[Emile]

15. Still being afraid.

[Scrivener7]

17. Of a rebubliQan majority in the Senate? And Mitch being Senate Majority Leader?

Yes. Yes, I am very afraid of that, especially if it comes about through our rank stupidity.

[Emile]

18. Your afraid Manchin will get beat in a primary against a real democrat.

Like I said, you having nothing to fear because Manchin will win the primary and go onto win reelection! Isn't that what you think, the only one who has a chance is someone like Manchin?

[PortTack]

9. Sinema will face a primary challenger. The AZ Dems are furious with her

They are already talking about who would be the best candidate

Manchin, I understand the gqp gov of WV wants his seat

[Politicub]

5. And protecting the system that gives them advantages in society.

I don't think they really care that much about their constituents.

[Scrivener7]

7. I disagree. I think the republiQans already found Manchin's achilles heel and they are

exploiting it.

As we should have done first.

Sinema, I think, is just nutty.

[BlueIdaho]

10. It's all about the money.

Neither of these DINOs have shown an ounce of courage where lobbyists are concerned.

[gulliver]

11. It's lazy and futile, imo

We need more than fifty senators. That means no more of this "inspire me to vote" nonsense. Voting is a duty, rain or shine, happy or sad. Also, non-Dem ideas like "defund the police" need to be actively disowned.

[comradebillyboy]

12. You are so right on this. The vast majority of dems

are moderates.

[Emile]

19. You saying Manchin is a moderate?

[comradebillyboy]

25. No, Manchin is a conservative Democrat.

None the less most Democrats view themselves as moderates.

[Emile]

26. You call him a democrat.

Since 2011, no Democrat currently serving in the Senate has split with the party more often, including 80 votes in which Senator Manchin was the only Democrat to break with his party and vote with the majority of Senate Republicans.

Overall, Senator Manchin has voted with the majority of Senate Republicans on 1,172 different votes or 54% of the votes he has taken as a United States Senator.

Since President Trump was inaugurated, no Senator (Democrat or Republican) has split with their party more often than Senator Manchin, including 23 votes in which he was the only Democrat to vote with the Republicans on issues such as:
https://www.manchin.senate.gov/about/bipartisanship/legislation

The scope of this is fair, imo....it also includes where he was not voting with Republicans. So many in his state need help, why he refused BBB is complicated for some to understand but it looks as if the WH has his number.

Senator Manchin’s comments this morning on FOX are at odds with his discussions this week with the President, with White House staff, and with his own public utterances. Weeks ago, Senator Manchin committed to the President, at his home in Wilmington, to support the Build Back Better framework that the President then subsequently announced. Senator Manchin pledged repeatedly to negotiate on finalizing that framework “in good faith.”
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/12/19/statement-from-press-secretary-jen-psaki-4/

[comradebillyboy]

27. Sorry, but you don't get to decide who is or isn't a Democrat.

[Emile]

28. and you do?

[comradebillyboy]

29. Do you understand how party affiliation works?

[Emile]

30. Why yes I do, but its a damn shame because Manchin never did!

[Scrivener7]

16. This, this, this.

[RB TexLa]

20. As a pretty moderate Democrat I disagree on the defunding of police being disowned

Here in Dallas we pay over $500M a year to our police department. We could get a better deal for protection from the mob. And our failed police department wants even more than the 38% of the city budget they get!

[Emile]

31. Our rural county Sheriff is making over $100,000 a year and drive by his house and he's

almost always home. Total waste of my tax dollars. I would rather see his salary cut in half and see more of these rural gravel roads blacktopped!

[betsuni]

22. +1

[Earth-shine]

21. After her catastrophic speech, Sinema has shown she is completly dug-in to her illogical positions.

She is not going to move.

She and Manchin, both narcissists, continue to enjoy the spotlight -- and enjoy they do.

We need to move on from them, however we can.

[Emile]

23. +1 This is the road we must take!

[ananda]

24. Actually Sinema and Manchin voters want Biden's agenda.

Manchin and Sinema don't because they bet BIG bucks
for opposing it.

[Demsrule86]

32. That is not true...poll show that Manchin's voters do not support BBB in large numbers...

as for Sinema, I have no idea.