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JohnSJ

(92,115 posts)
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 02:57 PM Jan 2022

So the FBI is saying the Colleyville gunman's actions were not related to the Jewish Community, or

anti-semitic activity?

I guess he just randomly picked a JEWISH place of worship, and his anti-Semitic rants did not represent anything



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So the FBI is saying the Colleyville gunman's actions were not related to the Jewish Community, or (Original Post) JohnSJ Jan 2022 OP
statement says 'targeting Jemish community' stopdiggin Jan 2022 #1
Orignially... Behind the Aegis Jan 2022 #3
this is somebody paraphrasing stopdiggin Jan 2022 #8
"which was not "specifically related to the Jewish community. " Behind the Aegis Jan 2022 #10
the 'walk back' was not much of a walk stopdiggin Jan 2022 #15
It isn't a matter of "outrage" but one of acknowledgement. Behind the Aegis Jan 2022 #17
I understand what you are saying quite well stopdiggin Jan 2022 #18
You don't go to a Jewish place of worship, and make anti-Jewish slurs it Jews weren't targeted JohnSJ Jan 2022 #11
more statements .. stopdiggin Jan 2022 #5
They are backtracking now (as seen in the first comment). Behind the Aegis Jan 2022 #2
nothing says.. agingdem Jan 2022 #4
Sounds like Lindsey Graham when he originally said what Dylann Roof did was anti-Christian ck4829 Jan 2022 #6
When it comes to anti-Semitism, the excuse factory goes into overdrive. Behind the Aegis Jan 2022 #7
Yeah but this seems more of a PC style excuse cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #9
Yes, and the woman he wanted released from prison herself hates Jewish JI7 Jan 2022 #12
.... Behind the Aegis Jan 2022 #13
Thanks for the update JohnSJ Jan 2022 #14
From everything the Rabbi said about what the man was talking about it was definitely anti-Semitic. Solly Mack Jan 2022 #16
Apperently it's much harder to find a church in Texas than a synagogue Jose Garcia Jan 2022 #19
It was clearly an anti-semtic hate /terrorist crime targeted against a synagogue Meowmee Jan 2022 #20

stopdiggin

(11,285 posts)
1. statement says 'targeting Jemish community'
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 03:22 PM
Jan 2022

I don't read that as dismissive on a connection ..
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/17/us/colleyville-texas-synagogue-hostage-situation-monday/index.html

"This is a terrorism-related matter, in which the Jewish community was targeted, and is being investigated by the Joint Terrorism Task Force," the statement said, declining to provide more details due to the continuing investigation.

stopdiggin

(11,285 posts)
8. this is somebody paraphrasing
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 03:57 PM
Jan 2022

the statement of another. The FBI agent simply says that the impetus and emphasis here was on singular goal. The agent does not say "This was not an anti-semitic event." That is simply putting words in his mouth.

And it takes a bit of spin to jump from what he did say to - "Whitewash!"

Behind the Aegis

(53,936 posts)
10. "which was not "specifically related to the Jewish community. "
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 04:45 PM
Jan 2022

That is in the TITLE of the OP. If it was NOT related to the Jewish community then it would NOT be an anti-Semitic act, it would be random.

Just stop.

FBI walks back claim that Texas attack was ‘not specifically related to the Jewish community’

The FBI released a statement late Sunday night describing the Colleyville hostage synagogue crisis as a “terrorism-related matter, in which the Jewish community was targeted.”

The statement is a departure from comments made on Saturday by the special agent in charge of the FBI’s Dallas field office, who said the hostage-taker was focused on an issue “not specifically related to the Jewish community” — a claim that baffled and angered many Jewish leaders.

more...

stopdiggin

(11,285 posts)
15. the 'walk back' was not much of a walk
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 12:59 AM
Jan 2022

(if at all). And that is because the original statement was a long way from a disavowal of anti-semitism. The agent was merely emphasizing the major focus and agenda of the hostage taker -which was made overwhelming clear over the course of the ordeal. If this is some kind of outrage in some people's view, then so be it. But this man's focus was on freeing an Al Qaeda agent.

Behind the Aegis

(53,936 posts)
17. It isn't a matter of "outrage" but one of acknowledgement.
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 01:11 AM
Jan 2022

It was a walk balk because they are now admitting that anti-Semitism was part of the situation, even if not the primary focus. If someone breaks into my house, kills me and my husband and robs us, it may be nothing more than a robbery and murder, but if that person stalked us, or chose our home because we are gay and I am a Jew, then the primary focus may have still be robbery, but it was the result of homophobia and possibly anti-Semitism. That you are NOT understanding this concept, that you are NOT understanding the Jewish community's concern and minimizing it, shows this conversation is not going to progress away from further gaslighting and therefore, will be unproductive.

stopdiggin

(11,285 posts)
18. I understand what you are saying quite well
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 01:22 AM
Jan 2022

What I am saying is that this was never intended as a disavowal of any anti-semitic subtext at all. It was merely an effort to highlight that the major focus was elsewhere.

That Al Qaeda is not a great friend to the Jewish community should not after all come as any great surprise to anyone. Correct? And the man did chose a synagogue as the target for his assault. I think people are perfectly capable of seeing an appreciating these things for what they are.

stopdiggin

(11,285 posts)
5. more statements ..
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 03:39 PM
Jan 2022
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colleyville-texas-synagogue-hostages-suspect

Authorities did not initially reveal a specific motive, but FBI Dallas special agent in charge Matthew DeSarno said Saturday night that the FBI believed the hostage-taker was "singularly focused on one issue, and it was not specifically related to the Jewish community." The FBI on Sunday said in a statement that throughout the negotiations, Akram "spoke repeatedly about a convicted terrorist who is serving an 86-year prison sentence in the United States on terrorism charges."

A source close to the incident had previously told CBS News that law enforcement believe the hostage-taker had asked for the release of Aafia Siddiqui, a Pakistani woman serving an 86-year sentence in federal prison for trying to kill U.S. officers in Afghanistan.

White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan called the incident an "act of terrorism" and an "act of antisemitism" in an interview on "Face the Nation" Sunday morning.

"We have the Department of Homeland Security, the FBI and law enforcement and intelligence agencies working intensively to get a full picture of what this person's motives were and whether or not there are any further connections," Sullivan said.

Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas tweeted Sunday that the "immediate crisis is over. Yet the fear of rising antisemitism remains."

agingdem

(7,831 posts)
4. nothing says..
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 03:25 PM
Jan 2022

Last edited Mon Jan 17, 2022, 05:04 PM - Edit history (1)

"I like Jewish people" like holding Jewish worshippers hostage at gun point in a synagogue on the sabbath..yes, FBI, definitely not related to the Jewish community...and the color of the sky in their world is..?

ck4829

(35,041 posts)
6. Sounds like Lindsey Graham when he originally said what Dylann Roof did was anti-Christian
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 03:41 PM
Jan 2022

Ignoring that it was a racist attack.

Behind the Aegis

(53,936 posts)
7. When it comes to anti-Semitism, the excuse factory goes into overdrive.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 03:43 PM
Jan 2022

Whether it is pushing the narratives of others, finding reasons to claim the "real" reason was something the Jews did themselves, or the "whataboutism" game, there is always a reason that some will find to excuse, minimize, or dismiss anything claimed to be anti-Semitic.

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
9. Yeah but this seems more of a PC style excuse
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 04:12 PM
Jan 2022

Than a good people on both sides blunder.

Can't badmouth the gun totting minority by inferring he may be antisemitic.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
12. Yes, and the woman he wanted released from prison herself hates Jewish
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 04:50 PM
Jan 2022

people. She blamed jews for all her problems and wanted jurors to undergo genetic testing to remove anyone with Jewish ancestry.

But still people ignore it.

Behind the Aegis

(53,936 posts)
13. ....
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 04:52 PM
Jan 2022
FBI walks back claim that Texas attack was ‘not specifically related to the Jewish community’

The FBI released a statement late Sunday night describing the Colleyville hostage synagogue crisis as a “terrorism-related matter, in which the Jewish community was targeted.”

The statement is a departure from comments made on Saturday by the special agent in charge of the FBI’s Dallas field office, who said the hostage-taker was focused on an issue “not specifically related to the Jewish community” — a claim that baffled and angered many Jewish leaders.

In the new statement, the FBI claimed to “never lose sight of the threat extremists pose to the Jewish community and to other religious, racial, and ethnic groups.”

The Saturday attack on Congregation Beth Israel by Malik Faiasal Akram, a British citizen, is being investigated by the Joint Terrorism Task Force. President Joe Biden has called it an act of terror.

more...

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
20. It was clearly an anti-semtic hate /terrorist crime targeted against a synagogue
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 10:05 AM
Jan 2022

Hopefully a one off by a lone person and not one of more to come. I presume they had some security so I don't know how he entered the synagogue.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/northeast-tarrant/article257414762.html

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