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PCIntern

(25,532 posts)
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 08:48 AM Jan 2022

Baseless claims?

Really, what kind of language is this? Saying that TFG’s appearance in Arizona is that of a body double is not a “baseless claim”. A baseless claim would be that I can see six patients in an hour and do 40 crowns to completion on them collectively. In that particular case, with a knowledge of the profession, you can take each clause of the sentence and demonstrate how and why that would be beyond Herculean and say that there is no possible way that an individual could do this given the constraints of time and other pertinent issues which are too arcane to be described here.

But making a claim such as “I can burrow through an elephant“, with thanks to Monty python, is not baseless, it’s schizophrenically absurd and a flat out lie. We have allowed these lunatics to promulgate this utter nonsense in the society with associated ridiculousnesses for too long by hemming and hawing, and saying well, “this is an untruth” and even naming something “the big lie“ tends to actually give it some value in a positive sense. Yes I know that’s weird but it’s true. It’s like calling every slide fastener a zipper even though it is not the brand, we all except a generic term and I believe many people have done that quietly with the moniker “the big lie“. It has become a portion of our existence and acknowledged to be a part of reality, even though paradoxically it is not valid. The logicians and mathematicians would have had a lot of fun with this in the days when these things were discussed at university level.

To say that the idiot on the stage in Arizona was not the idiot they know and love is not a baseless claim, it’s just utter and complete bullshit and another “prevarication“ or “untruth“ or “misleading the public“. I’m sick and tired of tiptoeing around these Nazis while they were figuratively rounding up people and shipping them off to camps. They have no problem speaking their minds with direct language, no matter how ridiculous, so we should not have any problem speaking the unvarnished truth with whatever language, however strong, we choose to use.

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Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
1. Why did you ever tiptoe around them in the first place?
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 09:22 AM
Jan 2022

Your comment:

"I’m sick and tired of tiptoeing around these Nazis while they were figuratively rounding up people and shipping them off to camps."

I don't understand why you or anyone else would do such a thing.

sop

(10,156 posts)
2. It's long past time corporate media start calling this movement "violent white nationalism."
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 09:26 AM
Jan 2022

It's not political or religious conservatism, an economically driven protest, militant patriotism or even an "insurrection." No, it's a significant number of scared and angry white, christian, eurocentric racists - the ones Tucker Carlson now euphemistically refers to as "legacy Americans" - who refuse to accept changing demographics and believe they are entitled to be the dominant group in America by whatever means necessary.

jaxexpat

(6,818 posts)
9. Oh, I like that summary.
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 11:58 AM
Jan 2022

Each nail hit squarely upon its head. The "by whatever means necessary" phrase pithily captures the desperate intention of these myopic ahistorical actors. Actors who unwittingly cry for the wholesale destruction of any and all means to a sustainable civilization.

The Wizard

(12,541 posts)
3. QAnon is a Russian psy-ops program
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 09:39 AM
Jan 2022

that serves as the proverbial canary in the coal mine to see what kind of lies the cult is ready to embrace at the behest of their Dear Leader. The Big Lie has believers because QAnon works on the "poorly educated."
Trump exploits the ignorance of the cult and the fear of the losing power of the feckless Republican leadership. The sooner Trump is hauled off in chains the sooner we retreat from the abyss of self destruction.

Escurumbele

(3,386 posts)
5. Excellent post, and inside is the best paragraph we should all adhere to
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 11:25 AM
Jan 2022

I’m sick and tired of tiptoeing around these Nazis while they were figuratively rounding up people and shipping them off to camps. They have no problem speaking their minds with direct language, no matter how ridiculous, so we should not have any problem speaking the unvarnished truth with whatever language, however strong, we choose to use.

Farmer-Rick

(10,154 posts)
6. Yeah, in an effort to keep workers working (and dying) in a rigged
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 11:26 AM
Jan 2022

Ecomic system they feed them nonsense.

This is a system that will never let them get out of debt; designed to take any wealth the worker might accumulate and feed it to the already filthy rich. This system has a tax policy that takes from the poorest and gives it to the richest. A system that helps the richest among us to abuse the poorest among us. An unfair, immoral and inhuman economic system that is considered marginally "better" than slavery or serfdom slavery of feudalism.

In order that the worker doesn't see all that and to misdirect their genuine rage, they are fed nonsense and hate and fear and more and more abuse.

It starts with religion. A fact free lie used to sooth the sufferers anger. "God is in control not those rich people who force you to work for less and less every year." "Don't worry, when you die you get to be free from debt." "Don't get upset, god will punish those evil rich people in the imaginary afterlife."

Now that their brains are taught to accept fact free lies without question, let's feed them some more. Let's mold them into useful idiots.

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