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What the fuck is wrong with these people?
They are dead to me as far as being Democrats.
They are not Democrats.
They are corporate whores.
They care nothing for this country.
They care fuck all for their constituents.
They just care about their fat paychecks from their corporate masters.
Just like good, little Republicants.
Alert away, I don't care.
Irish_Dem
(46,771 posts)When the GOP lost the senate races in GA, McConnell went into action to get back two senators. There was no way in hell he was going to give up any power.
My working theory.
wackadoo wabbit
(1,164 posts)Before she did her little cutesy thumbs-down and curtsy while voting against raising the minimum wage, she tapped McConnell on the shoulder in hopes that he'd turn around and watch her. This is rarely mentioned, but to me it was the most telling part of her little act. She wanted him to know what she was doing.
Irish_Dem
(46,771 posts)I believe McConnell made a deal with her.
I assume he has psy-op reports on all sitting US senators.
So he knows what buttons to push to get what he wants.
Scrivener7
(50,934 posts)AND I think it wouldn't be a bad idea if we did the same thing: went into action to get back two senators. There must be two republiQans in purple areas OR two republiQans with financial or sexual peccadillos that they fear exposure about.
Irish_Dem
(46,771 posts)Manchin was the harder one to turn. So McConnell had to promise and deliver more to Manchin. Which has paid off handsomely for McConnell.
Manchin has been the one who has delivered to McConnell the most damage to Biden and the Democratic Party. Manchin's relentless attack on issues and process are like launched missiles. McConnell by himself could never have done so much damage.
This by the way is the tell. If Manchin had just stated how he was going to vote and left it at that, I would not be so suspicious of hi. But his constant and relentless attacks on Biden and our party serve only one purpose, and that purpose aligns with McConnell.
I think we can safely assume that McConnell has full psy-op profiles on all sitting US senators, even his own party. And full background checks going back to childhood. This would certainly explain his grip on every one.
Manchin is a narcissistic personality disorder, maybe sociopathic as well.
His ego is fairly strong and intact. Not easily damaged.
Sinema on the other hand seems more ego fragile, blurred sense of reality, has an insatiable appetite for money and approval. She would be a very easy target.
I think McConnell made up his mind he was never going to lose his iron grip on power again. And I think this is a man who always has a Plan B. So when the polls looked bad in Ga. he know what had to be done.
In terms of our side doing it, I think we can assume it has been tried. But we cannot pry GOP senators away from McConnell. He is like the godfather, you don't really want to cross him.
Walleye
(30,996 posts)allegorical oracle
(2,357 posts)watch her voting one day, standing in the well of the Senate, dressed in a plaid pleated skirt and black blazer -- looking all-the-world like a parochial schoolgirl -- giving the "raspberries" while turning her hand to a thumbs down gesture. Don't recall the subject of the vote -- just that image. She's an actress playing in a drama. Can only hope the curtain closes on her soon. She gives liberal a bad image.
Irish_Dem
(46,771 posts)What do you make of her dumbed down speech?
Did she even write it herself?
Walleye
(30,996 posts)Irish_Dem
(46,771 posts)dem4decades
(11,282 posts)Party too.
People enthusiastically voted for Democrats to change the direction of the country, and these two Democrats are stopping that. Why will voters be enthusiastic again?
I blame Sinema more than Manchin, Arizona went for Biden, WV is Trumplandia.
Irish_Dem
(46,771 posts)His constant bashing of Biden and the party is more than grandstanding for his voters. It is purposeful.
hadEnuf
(2,183 posts)They know what's at stake here: Democracy, the American people's voting rights and the current POTUS. Not to mention an emboldening of the traitorous Trump fascists.
Claiming that they are opposed to altering the filibuster like the GOP did 2 or 3 times because of their "moral convictions" is a crock of shit.
Time to stop kissing their asses. It only makes us look like weak fools at this point.
Trueblue1968
(17,202 posts)and they don't care. Their constituents should remove them from office now.
Irish_Dem
(46,771 posts)Manchin's relentless attacks have greatly weakened the party and Biden.
UTUSN
(70,671 posts)Miguelito Loveless
(4,457 posts)they have to murder democracy in the broad daylight of history. Anything else gives them "plausible deniability".
Salviati
(6,008 posts)History is going to need some new neologisms to go along with quisling.
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)Irish_Dem
(46,771 posts)calimary
(81,179 posts)quakerboy
(13,918 posts)how much money the National Democratic Party will put into their reelection bids.
calimary
(81,179 posts)If we add a couple of Senators to the D column, then NEITHER of these miserable twits (Sinema and Manchin) will matter anymore. Nobody will care - or at least not as much as were forced to care now.
quakerboy
(13,918 posts)My guess is that if they aren't in the hot seat anymore, attention will divert, and the party will go back to funding them generously. And if we lose seats, then that will also be used as a reason to generously fund them.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)And they are giving cover to republicans who are already united against voting rights.
KS Toronado
(17,179 posts)I thought we were going to do a one time filibuster work around to get voting rights passed.
Sinema talks like we want to kill it permanently right now. Which is it?
Celerity
(43,249 posts)caught grief for simply telling the truth. Then, when the very next day or two exactly what I said was going to happen did, not a peep.
The irony is that I was also the first to even post about it here, from a Punchbowl News private email that had a middle of the night exclusive. The letter explained why it would not work but very few read the post.
Then later that day, the spinmeisters on Twitter went wild, and so many got duped into thinking it was a magic trick.
It only did away with one of two possible filibusters (so debate was possible). They could debate BUT could not overcome the second filibuster placement, so no cloture.
KS Toronado
(17,179 posts)Link please, I'll go read it.
Celerity
(43,249 posts)Celerity
(43,249 posts)snip
Now onto tactics. Schumer can call up the Freedom to Vote Act (supported by all 50 Senate Democrats) or the Senate version of the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act (supported by all Senate Democrats besides Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia) or both. Both bills have been blocked by unyielding GOP opposition. Schumer can call for their reconsideration at any time.
However, theres another, more complex plan under consideration to provide an alternative way for Senate consideration.
The House this week is supposed to take up an amendment to a bill dealing with NASAs leasing underutilized property to private entities. The House and Senate have ping-ponged this bill back and forth already.
Under this new plan which is still just under consideration, it hasnt been agreed to yet Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats would use this NASA bill as a shell, strip out the existing language and insert the Freedom to Vote Act instead. The House would then pass this revised bill and send it onto the Senate. Since its a message between the House and Senate, theres no filibuster on the motion to proceed to the legislation. That means the Senate could take it up quickly.
Senate Republicans will still filibuster the underlying bill and Schumer would have to file cloture in order to cut off debate and force a vote. That hasnt changed. So, in sum, a GOP filibuster still has to be overcome, but theres only one cloture vote, compared to two with a regular bill.
Yet the advantage of this proposed plan is that Schumer would be filing cloture on a voting rights bill thats already been adopted by the House, instead of the Senate-only version of the legislation. Thus when Republicans filibuster the measure, theyd be blocking a bill that just needs Senate approval in order to head to the presidents desk. Its a distinction with a difference.
Schumer is expected to unveil more on his next steps today, so lets return to the strategy discussion. As we said, Schumer doesnt have the votes to pass the Freedom to Vote Act any version of it due to a GOP opposition. And he cant pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act for the same reason. All 50 Senate Republicans will vote no.
More importantly, Schumer doesnt have 50 Democratic votes to trigger the nuclear option to change Senate rules unilaterally and get rid of the filibuster. Manchin and Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) remain opposed to any such move.
Manchin will back some technical changes to the filibuster, although he wont back getting rid of the 60-vote threshold to cut off debate on a bill.
I'm not for breaking the filibuster, but I am for making the place work better by changing the rules, Manchin told reporters on Tuesday, one of several statements he made laying out his continued opposition.
For her part, Sinema met Tuesday night in the LBJ Room with a group of Senate Democrats from the Rules Committee. The group included Sens. Angus King (I-Maine), Tim Kaine (D-Va.), Jon Tester (D-Mont.), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), and Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) to discuss potential rules changes.
The Wizard
(12,541 posts)Firestorm49
(4,030 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)Tribetime
(4,684 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,126 posts)who knows if it will be enough.
Emily's List withdrew their endorsement of Sinema, and a couple of big name college coaches wrote a letter to Manchin supporting ending the filibuster to get voting rights passed.
Hopefully, this is something that will continue to enter the public consciousness, resulting in more pressure coming to bear.