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Wasn't there a special maneuver that would allow (Original Post) Mme. Defarge Jan 2022 OP
That's what started the process last week AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2022 #1
No, the maneuver allowed the bill to come to a direct consideration - PoliticAverse Jan 2022 #2
It provided a lot of false hope madville Jan 2022 #3
Yes, that is what they are doing now Bev54 Jan 2022 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Frasier Balzov Jan 2022 #5
That trick allowed to bill to be debated but you still need 60 votes for final passage LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2022 #6
We couldn't gather a Tickle Jan 2022 #7
It's dead as a doornail n/t Yandex Jan 2022 #8
False hope (n/t) Patton French Jan 2022 #9
Only the GOP is allowed to do special maneuvers. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #10

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,972 posts)
1. That's what started the process last week
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 01:33 AM
Jan 2022

They still needed a cloture vote to end debate, rather than to start debate.
The Democracy Docket tweetstorm about it made it sound like they were doing an end-run around the cloture vote, but then said something along the lines of "they'll still be able to filibuster ending debate."
I did give them a chance to speak on it at least.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
2. No, the maneuver allowed the bill to come to a direct consideration -
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 01:35 AM
Jan 2022

debate, but no amendments - but still could be blocked by final filibuster.

See: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/12/chuck-schumer-voting-rights-bill-debate

The only bills that are immune from the filibuster explicitly are reconciliation bills.



madville

(7,404 posts)
3. It provided a lot of false hope
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 01:45 AM
Jan 2022

And was misinterpreted by many. It was always going to require 60 votes for cloture to end debate, the maneuvering basically fast tracked it to the same eventual outcome.

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LetMyPeopleVote

(144,921 posts)
6. That trick allowed to bill to be debated but you still need 60 votes for final passage
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 03:52 AM
Jan 2022

Without this trick, there would have been no debate on these bills

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