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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,739 posts)
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 09:34 PM Jan 2022

Low-wage workers prop up the nursing home industry. They're quitting in droves.

In the eight years she has worked at nursing homes, LaToya Francis, 34, has been yelled at, kicked at and had feces thrown at her for little more than the minimum wage. She endured it because she loved being a certified nursing assistant, she said.

But she’s not sure she can hold out much longer.

As the omicron variant of the coronavirus drives record staff shortages at nursing homes nationwide, Francis has increasingly found herself alone on her 12-hour overnight shifts at Bridgepoint Healthcare’s skilled nursing facility in Southwest Washington, fighting off panic attacks as she tries to feed, clean and rotate more bed-bound residents than she can handle. Some nights, she retreats to a corner of the facility, where she calls her partner and sobs. Other nights, all she can feel is anger.

“I’ve never, ever felt this disrespected,” Francis said.

Frustration is surging among the low-wage workers who make up the backbone of the nursing home industry, as tens of thousands of their colleagues call out sick with covid-19, inflaming shortages that already were at crisis levels. Hailed as “heroes” during the early months of the pandemic, these workers, most of whom are women and people of color, say they’re facing untenable levels of pressure.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/01/23/nursing-home-dc-staffing-omicron/

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Low-wage workers prop up the nursing home industry. They're quitting in droves. (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2022 OP
The worker shortage in places like nursing homes PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2022 #1
I'm GenX, but all my adult life I have had the plan that when I cannot live in my own home Coventina Jan 2022 #13
Yeah Calculating Jan 2022 #18
Three different times I've visited indepentent/assisted living PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2022 #21
It is virtually impossible to get anything done against a facility that accepts public assistance. Coventina Jan 2022 #26
If dementia enters the picture ibegurpard Jan 2022 #22
You make a good point, but that's provided for as well. Coventina Jan 2022 #24
Prospects aren't good for my generation. paleotn Jan 2022 #19
Under appreciated, under valued workers. LoisB Jan 2022 #2
I'm not sure why it costs 10K a month to be in a nursing home jimfields33 Jan 2022 #3
Exactly XanaDUer2 Jan 2022 #4
Danged if I know. Certainly not because payroll is exhorbitant. I assume the owners are getting LoisB Jan 2022 #9
Not everyone pays $10k NowISeetheLight Jan 2022 #10
to get Medicaid to cover nursing home, you have to exhaust all of your resources yellowdogintexas Jan 2022 #14
So true NowISeetheLight Jan 2022 #17
I work in senior communities as a move manager that moves in and clears out seniors stuff who have kimbutgar Jan 2022 #5
every time I visit my Mom in memory care... bahboo Jan 2022 #6
Money making machines! DENVERPOPS Jan 2022 #16
This says a lot about how we treat undervalued health service staff crickets Jan 2022 #7
I was a CNA NowISeetheLight Jan 2022 #8
believe this or not , dish washer's are payed more money ! I've ask'd people ? No shit ! monkeyman1 Jan 2022 #11
Where are you finding well paid dishwashers? IronLionZion Jan 2022 #12
a hell of a lot eatery's are paying 15.00 a hr. nowadays! monkeyman1 Jan 2022 #15
That's a good policy IronLionZion Jan 2022 #20
Bring back the 'ice floe' pfitz59 Jan 2022 #23
Wage Slaves tired of the BS! Emile Jan 2022 #25

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
1. The worker shortage in places like nursing homes
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 10:00 PM
Jan 2022

is only going to get worse. As Boomers age, go into independent living places, then transition to assisted living or memory care or traditional nursing homes, there's going to be a need for more and more care givers. The long term prospects are scary.

Coventina

(27,057 posts)
13. I'm GenX, but all my adult life I have had the plan that when I cannot live in my own home
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 11:55 PM
Jan 2022

I am going out on my own terms.

Nothing I have seen of long-term care facilities has changed my mind one bit.

I had a close friend recently die of lymphoma, and he spent his final year bouncing around care facilities.

They were all horrible. Everything of value was stolen from him (wheelchair, phone, watch, etc.) and the staff would flat out lie about his treatments (he never got the medical care he was supposed to get, causing him unneeded pain and suffering, as well as considerably shortening his life).

I am not going to end up that way.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
18. Yeah
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 12:36 AM
Jan 2022

Millennial here, and if it ever gets to a point where I cannot take care of myself anymore it's time to check out. No point in spending a few more years being a burden on people and getting neglected in nursing home.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
21. Three different times I've visited indepentent/assisted living
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 03:30 AM
Jan 2022

places. I realize that one visit doesn't reveal everything, but I was favorably impressed with what I saw. Yes, some places were better than others, but I feel certain that none of those I visited were staffed by people who would steal everything, or withhold medical care. You really ought to report those places to the appropriate authorities.

Coventina

(27,057 posts)
26. It is virtually impossible to get anything done against a facility that accepts public assistance.
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 08:04 AM
Jan 2022

When my mother was in a nursing home in the late stages of her dementia, her wedding ring was wrenched off her finger.

(It was really solidly on there, or we would have removed it before placing her in the home).

This was a very well-regarded facility, by the way.

When my dad reported it missing, he was told help was far too hard to get and keep, to risk asking the staff about it.

Family who have been in such places routinely had possessions go missing including clothes "lost" in the laundry, no matter how clearly they were permanently marked.

Nope, never for me.

Coventina

(27,057 posts)
24. You make a good point, but that's provided for as well.
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 07:57 AM
Jan 2022

My family carries the genetic predisposition of C9orf72 Repeat Expansion. My mother, grandmother, and great-grandmother all died of it.

My siblings and I have a suicide pact. If ANY of us start to exhibit symptoms, we all go together. After or prior experiences with our grandmother and mother, we are NOT going through it again.

Yes, we are a very bizarre family, but we've had to deal with a lot of very dark things. The result is that we have decided there are many things worse than death.

paleotn

(17,881 posts)
19. Prospects aren't good for my generation.
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 12:38 AM
Jan 2022

I don't really want to think what it will be like 20 to 30 years from now when me and my better half reach an age where we may need such.

jimfields33

(15,692 posts)
3. I'm not sure why it costs 10K a month to be in a nursing home
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 10:31 PM
Jan 2022

if workers are making 10 bucks an hour. Make it 12K a month and pay workers more. Enough!

LoisB

(7,183 posts)
9. Danged if I know. Certainly not because payroll is exhorbitant. I assume the owners are getting
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 11:25 PM
Jan 2022

rich. I wonder how many are owned by private equity firms?

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
10. Not everyone pays $10k
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 11:32 PM
Jan 2022

Medicaid covers a lot of SNF residents and they don’t pay near that. You can google Medicaid reimbursement rates for states and they’re pathetic. It’s kind of like healthcare in general. For a lot of Medicaid and Medicare patients the reimbursement doesn’t even cover costs. Then you have to make it up with secret private insurer contracts and charging self-pay patients inflated chargemaster pricing.

A good article about Medicaid only covering about 70% of costs.

https://www.ahcancal.org/News-and-Communications/Press-Releases/Pages/Financial-Struggle-of-Nursing-Homes-Puts-Medicaid-Reimbursement-Rates-Back-in-the-Spotlight.aspx

My father passed a few years ago. The last few years I had to move him to assisted living then he went to memory care. He was in a nice facility and was cash pay $6200 a month. Had an apartment at first, all meals, decent staffing, it was very nice. I remember signing the paperwork I had to provide proof of at least two or three years income to keep him there. I asked about it and they said some end up on Medicaid when their money runs out and they still live there. Basically they were subsidized at that point.

yellowdogintexas

(22,231 posts)
14. to get Medicaid to cover nursing home, you have to exhaust all of your resources
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 11:59 PM
Jan 2022

before it will be approved. Spend all your savings, sell your house and car, etc

Now if you transfer a residence to a child or grandchild, set up financials properly etc, a minimum of 5 years prior to actually applying for Medicaid then the assets do not have to be liquidated. It may differ from state to state but I know for certain this is the case in OK and TX. The qualifying poverty line does vary from state to state.

I learned all this getting my aunt situated after my uncle died. Knowing she would need Medicaid if she lived long enough, I made sure the facility accepted Medicaid patients. This place wasn't fancy but it was clean and she got to take her dog with her. I sold the house and car, had two huge estate sales, and spent all that down.

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
17. So true
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 12:20 AM
Jan 2022

I was worried my mother would outlive my dad and I’d have to go thru that. If he died first she’d only get half his pension. It didn’t go that way though and I was spared having to go thru that. It also ended up with me getting their house so I got to experience “generational wealth” (not a lot but some). My parents were both very poor at first and came from poor families. Both were the first to go to college. I really miss them.

kimbutgar

(21,055 posts)
5. I work in senior communities as a move manager that moves in and clears out seniors stuff who have
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 10:37 PM
Jan 2022

Passed on. The staff are so stressed out. I make it habit to smile and thank them and whenever we have something nice to dispose of, I make sure they can help themselves to it.

bahboo

(16,314 posts)
6. every time I visit my Mom in memory care...
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 11:15 PM
Jan 2022

there is a huge turnover. These people need to be paid MUCH more....meanwhile the homes are money making machines....

DENVERPOPS

(8,789 posts)
16. Money making machines!
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 12:04 AM
Jan 2022

I read an article not long ago about firms starting up companies to buy nursing homes across the nation because they are so lucrative.

One of the biggest problems with nursing homes is the lack of inspections. The inspectors are grossly overworked......

crickets

(25,952 posts)
7. This says a lot about how we treat undervalued health service staff
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 11:17 PM
Jan 2022

as well as the elderly themselves. It isn't good. ☹

No paywall link: https://archive.ph/UoXUZ

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
8. I was a CNA
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 11:22 PM
Jan 2022

For a couple years when I got out of the Navy in the 80s. I remember it vividly… worst job I’ve ever had. I think I made around $9 an hour then. I did temp work too at various nursing homes for $12 or so. I don’t think the pay has gone up much since then.

This was always one of my worries about the $15 minimum wage. If a CNA today is making that much and suddenly they could make that flipping burgers, who would want to be a CNA? You’d need to put them over $20 at least to make it worth while.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
12. Where are you finding well paid dishwashers?
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 11:51 PM
Jan 2022

I got $4.40 an hour back in the 1990s even though minimum wage was $5.15.

 

monkeyman1

(5,109 posts)
15. a hell of a lot eatery's are paying 15.00 a hr. nowadays!
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 12:01 AM
Jan 2022

I got 3 daughter's that work in the food business!! they keep there help & don't have a high turn over rate !

pfitz59

(10,302 posts)
23. Bring back the 'ice floe'
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 05:03 AM
Jan 2022

Its inhumane to keep people past their 'use by' date. Prolonging life for profit ought be criminal. These 'care facilities' are a giant scam.

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