59 Republicans Behind Fake Electors Could Face Prison

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59 Republicans Behind Fake Electors Could Face Prison

January 27, 2022 at 10:01 am EST By Taegan Goddard 53 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2022/01/27/59-republicans-behind-fake-electors-could-face-prison/

"SNIP......

“Dozens of local and state Republican leaders who showed their loyalty to Donald Trump by casting fake electoral votes for him a year ago may now face prison time in return for that devotion,” the HuffPost reports.

“Because as the House select committee investigating the U.S. Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021, starts to look into the origins of the scheme to send ‘alternate’ ballots to Congress from states narrowly won by Joe Biden, the 59 ersatz Trump electors who claimed to be “duly elected and qualified” could face federal charges ranging from election fraud to mail fraud, in addition to a range of state-level charges.”

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[onecaliberal]

1. They all NEED decades behind bars.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

44. That won't happen. It's enough they are charged prosecuted and paraded before the world

upon conviction and after a deterrent sentence.

[onecaliberal]

46. Nothing less will do. They participated in trying to overthrow the US government.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

49. Not sure what maximum penalty is or what the charges would be or what any one of them would be

ultimately be convicted of, so hard to predict the actual results.

Max sentence for every conviction? With u there. 🙌

[onecaliberal]

50. Yes. Max sentences.

[soldierant]

93. Mail fraud alone is 20 years. n/t

[homegirl]

100. Federal offense

due to use of USPS. Up to 20 years and $ 0NE MILLION fine!!!

[bluestarone]

2. I wish they could NEVER

Hold ANY public office again! NEVER NEVER NEVER.

[gab13by13]

36. yes, and take away their manhood, their guns.

[jmowreader]

63. That, and never vote again.

[MissMillie]

98. that would be true poetic justice (nt)

.

[Moostache]

3. COULD? F that! WILL is the operative word I am looking for here...

Those sons of bitches ACTIVELY conspired to overturn a legitimate election on a fabricated lie and in service of a despotic authoritarian fool.

If they do not serve time for this, then the fucking rule of law is a joke and there WILL be consequences to them in THAT world, I shit you not...

[Jerry2144]

4. I agree

Emotionally. They need to be locked up. But we also need to actually follow the Constitution and give them due process and a fair trial. Then we can lock them up.


Otherwise we run the risk of becoming authoritarian just like they have already become. Let’s not forget our humanity and our respect for the constitutional processes.

Liberty is a Liberal idea.

[gab13by13]

25. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph,

they want an authoritarian government, if these people are not held accountable there will be no rule of law, no Constitution. They openly state that they are opposed to democracy.

If they are not held accountable what's to stop them from sending in duplicate electors in 2024?

Hit them with the book, it's the only way they will flip on people in the White House who planned this.

Lock them the hell up.

[ShazzieB]

72. Who said they shouldn't be held accountable?

If they are not held accountable what's to stop them from sending in duplicate electors in 2024?

I don't see anyone saying that they shouldn't be held accountable. The comment you replied to pointed out that there are constitutional hoops (due process, fair trial, etc.) that have to be jumped through, all of which is true. An earlier post pointed out that their exact fate will depend on what they are charged with and convicted of, and what the maximum sentences are, which is also true.

I really don't think there is anyone here who doesn't want them to be held accountable. People are simply pointing out (correctly) that we have laws that must be adhered to and a Constitution that specifies the process that must be followed, in order to do so.

Yes, they absolutely should be held accountable, but that has to be done properly, according to the law of the land. To do otherwise would be to make a mockery of the same Constitution TFG tried to shred and that we all want to protect.

[mushroomhunter]

86. well said. thank you

[Escurumbele]

27. That is a great line you wrote there...made me laugh, liked how you ended it

"They need to be locked up. But we also need to actually follow the Constitution and give them due process and a fair trial. Then we can lock them up."

[Whiskeytide]

75. Sheriff Cobb had it right ...

?version=0

[SouthernDem4ever]

95. Why can't we lock them up pending trial

they are flight risk to Maralardo.

[c-rational]

24. Yes. I keep repeating Rule of Law.

[reACTIONary]

83. +100...

... We need to keep reminding folks of that.

[certainot]

73. it's very possible they actually believed that the election was stolen because that's what TFG

and limbaugh and fox all told them over and over and over - so they attempted to steal it back. that may be their defense and wherever the trials go on that is what local rw radio will be blasting all day to pollute the jury pools

[NewHendoLib]

5. Prison forever. Throw away the key.

[calimary]

77. Please God, Make It SO!!!

[walkingman]

6. If that is not election tampering or fraud what is? I think

of that black man who Texas AG Paxton had arrested, after standing in line over 6 hours to vote, for unknowingly voting as a person on probation. Paxton is a sorry SOB.

[MagickMuffin]

8. I believe it was a woman who Paxton had arrested and serving 5 years for it

We Texans are tired of this lawless behavior. However, a lot more people need to VOTE to make a huge difference. Hopefully this year will be different.

[gratuitous]

12. Crystal Mason

She wasn't sure if she was allowed to vote, so she requested a provisional ballot and voted it. Her ballot was pulled, and not tabulated, but she was charged, tried, and convicted in Texas and is sitting in prison. She becomes a cautionary tale for anyone (mostly anyone who isn't white) that you may want to think twice before voting in Texas.

[MagickMuffin]

13. I worked the elections here from 2008-2016

2016 was the straw that keeps me away from serving anymore, which I really loved the process. It has changed over the years (blank paper ballots which is printed after marking the ballot of your choices, and scanners that scan your ID) making it easier on the election workers.


2016 had all kinds of trumpets declaring who they were voting for (while inside the polling location which is a violation of the law) and that is was their first time voting. I had to help them cast their ballots because they have NEVER voted before. My mate worked early voting for a couple of weeks and the stories he would come home with was indeed scary. One man threw a temper tantrum because they ran out of I Voted stickers.

I worked with the 3 bears Papa, Mama, and baby homeschooled boy, they would bicker a lot. But they were fair about the voting system. And we were a well oiled machine, always having our polls ready before 7am.

I did get called a nazi once for telling a voter they couldn't discuss the election inside the polling location. Made big ol biker dude mad, made me wonder if he'd be coming back with a gun. The 3 Bears didn't say anything which did make me mad that they wouldn't speak up and defend the Law.


I think Crystal should be released since her vote didn't count and it was a provisional ballot to boot. She didn't know she wasn't allowed to vote. Big difference, imho.

[walkingman]

15. I got the Hervis Rogers case mixed up with that one - another

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example our infamous AG here in Texas. So Sad.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/texas-man-arrested-voter-fraud/2021/07/10/d64c59e0-e192-11eb-ae31-6b7c5c34f0d6_story.html

[Grins]

48. Not the same person. NM

[gab13by13]

28. You know what they should be charged with?

All of what you said plus seditious conspiracy. If they only get charged with something like mail fraud it isn't enough. They should also be charged with impeding or delaying an official act of Congress.

These bastards should be banned from running for dog catcher, apologies to dog catchers.

[mtngirl47]

42. Mail fraud is punishable by a fine and imprisonment for up to 20 years.

Mail fraud is one of those crimes that is added on for white collar crimes and organized crimes.
Mail fraud has teeth and is relatively easy to prove guilt.

I'm OK with mail fraud!

[gab13by13]

57. In that case, so am I.

There are many crimes they can be charged with.

[MLAA]

45. +1000

[Grins]

52. Sedition.

Inciting rebellion against the authority of a state.

G. Washington knew it when he saw it. And sent in the Army!

[SmartJellyfish]

7. Turns out Trump was right.

There was wide spread election fraud, and he did it !

[housecat]

39. at least twice

[maxsolomon]

9. I remain skeptical that there will be any consequences.

We're over a year since this Clown Car Coup was performed in public while we all watched, and DOJ and state AGs have barely moved on the conspirators.

Only the pawns have been punished.

Meantime, the return of the GQP to power looms...

[old guy]

26. Agree.

[Probatim]

37. Skeptical is more optimism than I can muster at the moment.

[Cosmocat]

81. Yep

Closer we get to November the less likely, cause they just won't "want to effect the election."

[lagomorph777]

10. Yes, please. Do this or we invite even worse in January 2023 and 2025.

[luv2fly]

11. In the relevant states...

... like Wisconsin, Michigan, etc. where state GQP leaders are "examining" election fraud, these are advertisements that are almost writing themselves for the Democrats in upcoming months.

"Republicans tried to find election fraud, all the while guilty of election fraud at the highest levels in the state."

I haven't seen any yet but I am hopeful.

[Towlie]

14. A no-win situation: A politician in prison is by definition a political prisoner...

 
?

... and people tend to automatically think of political prisoners as victims of oppression.

Sure, we'd definitely like to see these people locked up, but I'm just sayin' there's a downside if they are. The Republican candidate who runs against Joe Biden will promise voters that he/she will pardon and free Biden's political prisoners - a compelling argument for the simple minded.

[fightforfreedom]

16. That Republican candidate will lose the election.

Bring it on.

[gab13by13]

32. Your post cannot be serious?

These people need to be hit with the book. Ban them from running for political office, take away their guns. Make them read To Kill a Mockingbird. Make them memorize the Constitution with a test to follow and if they don't pass the test they stay in jail.

[orangecrush]

90. A number of politicians are presently serving time

No one calls them political prisoners.

[Greybnk48]

17. We need to include Scott Fitzgerald (R-WI) in this mix

even though he was not a signatore.
https://www.wispolitics.com/2022/sen-larson-open-records-regarding-wisconsins-fake-electors-suggest-congressman-scott-fitzgerald-played-significant-role-in-tryi

[Emile]

18. They need to be rounded up right now and put behind bars!

They fucking knew what they were doing was wrong!

[c-rational]

19. Let this be.

[infullview]

20. Does anyone list the names?

We all know about 3 of the usual suspects and that most of them are congressmen, but are there any senators involved?

[gab13by13]

33. One of the traitors is running for the Senate in Arizona.

[L. Coyote]

40. Fake electors listed here:

Link to tweet

[joshcryer]

60. The fact these idiots sent it to the archives...

...is mind boggling to me.

[Ligyron]

64. One was a crocodile!

Totally gives it away: Chuck Crocodilicus (takes a bite out of the Constitution.)

[progressoid]

21. COULD but WON'T.

If the last few years are an example, we shouldn't get our hopes up.

[Marthe48]

22. and the 59 behind them

and the 59 behind them, until we track down the instigators pulling the strings. Every single traitor who threw in with their their despotic russian puppet needs to be brought to justice. Let the evidence speak, let the law prevail, let justice be served!

[Karadeniz]

23. I fervently hope so...let's take off the kid gloves!

[NightWatcher]

29. ...and those that voted against accepting the results should as well

It was all part of the same plan

[llmart]

62. +1000

I agree. They aren't innocents in all this.

[L. Coyote]

67. Indeed, a vast right wing criminal conspiracy to overthrow democracy.

All the members of Congress who voted against accepting the legitimate electors participated in the failed coup. The knew exactly what they were doing, knew what Bill Barr said, what others said about the election being the most secure ever. It was a blatant coup attempt.

[Tommymac]

30. LOCK 'EM ALL UP.

That is all.

[calimary]

31. PLEEEEEZE make it so!!!

It should be about more than merely teaching the offenders a lesson.

It NEEDS to be about teaching a lesson to any future lying, cheating, scheming schmucks who thought they could get around the rules and scheme their way toward getting their way by other means than by the rules.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

34. Good

[OMGWTF]

35. Make an example of them and ruin their lives. They tried to murder our democracy.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

38. If there are no consequences, they will be emboldened

to do it again. And every other bit election fraud and vote stealing they can think of.

[Deminpenn]

41. These 59 are ready

to c*** out a brick right now. Not one of them wants to spend 5 seconds in jail let alone potentially weeks or months or years.

[ffr]

43. SHOULD and MUST face prison

Frame the narrative the way it must be framed, if there is any justice left in this country.

[bucolic_frolic]

47. They're gonna be glad I'm not the judge /nt

[kacekwl]

51. Time to get busy people. The

Democratic party has a lot of work ahead to right so many Republican wrongs.

[empedocles]

53. Good news keeps rolling in

[halfulglas]

54. If a woman who voted because she mistakenly believed she was eligible to is serving time in prison,

Surely a number of political asshats who absolutely committed voter fraud by trying to reverse their whole state's legitimate results and throw the election to a charlatan can be sent to prison.

[Mr. Ected]

55. Would this apply?

Malfeasance by election officials acting “under color of law” by performing such acts as diluting valid ballots with invalid ones (ballot-box stuffing), rendering false tabulations of votes, or preventing valid voter registrations or votes from being given effect in any election, federal or non-federal (18 U.S.C. §§ 241, 242), as well as in elections in which federal candidates are on the ballot (52 U.S.C. §§ 10307(c), 10307(e), 20511(2)).

[jmowreader]

68. I don't think s.241 and s.242 are applicable here

This is 18 USC 241:

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

And 18 USC 242:

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

Here's the problem, and it's huge: there really isn't a law that covers this, because it's unprecedented. 52 USC 20511 is the election fraud statute, and getting it to fit would be a stretch; it covers the "procurement, casting or tabulation" of ballots that are known to be fictitious but they're talking the form an individual voter uses, not the electoral-count ballots. We might have to take the same tack that was used against Al Capone - we want him in jail, and we don't care how - and just stick to mail-fraud charges. Those are felonies that come with 20-year prison terms and the same loss of rights any federal felony encompasses, like loss of gun and voting rights.

[Mr. Ected]

71. THANK YOU!

On the one hand, I was afraid of this. It will certainly allow these crooks to continue to say "we didn't violate any election laws".

Time for Congress to get busy on drafting new legislation that would make this very act a felony with penalties that exceed those for mail fraud. There has to be an actual deterrent in place to avoid a new crew from evading punishment for what quite obviously should be criminal.

[Grins]

56. My lede...

"Fifty-nine (59) local and state Republicans who showed their disloyalty to the nation by casting fake electoral votes, may now face time in prison."

Kinda' sings, no?

[meadowlander]

58. If we had done this with the Brooks Brothers Rioters in 2000 we wouldn't be in the mess we're in

today.

Enough of this appeasement bullshit. If you tamper with an election, your ass should go to jail.

[HubertHeaver]

59. 59 Republicans under the jail

As the joke goes, it's a good start.

[Permanut]

61. Just appears to be a crime..

The appropriate response to these charges, as with any other allegations of wrong-doing by any Republican, retroactive to 1776, would be a sternly worded letter.

[kentuck]

65. Is this a huge story?

Why?

Should they have known better?

Were they manipulated and used by the Trump enterprise? And those that were sucked into the team?

Should they be prosecuted?

Should they get any breaks for being stupid?

[Firestorm49]

66. I'll believe it when I see it because you won't get all

of the prosecutions done by the mid terms and if ( when) we lose the senate, Republicans will kill the procedures by any means that they can.

[lindysalsagal]

69. Wisconsin and Michigan are calling for dj to prosecute.

As well they all should. Stealing is stealing.

[C Moon]

70. "Next plane to Russia, leavin' on runway number five." nt

[Ohioboy]

74. Add them to all the others that went to prison for the worst president America ever had

How many have gone to prison for The Orange Anus? More than for any other American president in history. By the measure of how many people have gone to jail because of doing his dirty work, The Orange Anus is in a league of his own when it comes to having been a bad president.

[Bristlecone]

76. SHOULD face prison.

[Iggo]

78. ...should face prison.

[FakeNoose]

79. If nothing else they should be tarred and feathered (metaphorically speaking)

... by Dems in their own states.

But really why can't the federal government prevent these signers from running for office ever again? That should be a given - they can never hold elective office or be an elector ever again. If they want to take it further and charge them with election fraud, OK fine.

But knowingly signing a fraudulent election document should automatically exclude them from any future office.

[monkeyman1]

92. I want the real McCoy!

[Jakes Progress]

80. I will dance

and have a drink (both rare for me) if they ever serve a week in jail.

But I will not be surprised if nothing, abolutely nothing comes of this information.

[sarcasmo]

82. 59 fake electors plus Rudy and the orange demon.

[2naSalit]

84. If only. ...nt

[Ford_Prefect]

85. Bbbuutt my president told me he needed this done! They showed me papers and spoke to me insisting

that the Democrats and the Brazilians had stolen the election, and that there was proof they had done it!

I'm an American patriot just like DJT!

Uh Oh!

[Turbineguy]

87. But it's OK.

They are going to jail for trump. It's the second highest honor beside dying from Covid because you refuse to get vaccinated.

[Justice matters.]

88. Hope these idiots have good-night sleeps from now on...

Experiencing what practicing Fascism does to its practitioners!

[orangecrush]

89. Could....

Or will?

[SunImp]

91. Send them all to prison!

[CousinIT]

94. There should be no 'could'. They should already be there awaiting trial. n/t

[Emile]

96. +1 Lock the traitors up now!

[Blue Owl]

97. And there should be a big fat "T" sewn on the front of their jailbird uniforms

[rockfordfile]

99. good