This is why I am so fired up convinced Trump will be indicted.

[fightforfreedom]

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Some people believe Trump will not be held accountable because he got away with everything while he was president.

The Mueller investigation failed because Trump was a sitting president. Mueller could not indict Trump. Trump had a corrupt AG who did not act, withheld the evidence Mueller found. That evidence should have been turned over to congress for impeachment proceedings.

Trump was impeached twice and not removed because the Republicans in congress violated their oath of office. They protected a criminal.

What happened during Tumps presidency is now irrelevant. Trump is no longer a sitting president. He has lost all of his protection.

The evidence today against Trump and others is smoking gun evidence. When this evidence is presented to grand juries they will more than likely indict. A grand jury is not like a regular jury. You do not need all members of a grand jury to agree to indict.

I am also convinced Trump and all those involved in the attempted coup will panic as the investigations intensify. They will make mistakes, commit more crimes, turn on each other.

What happened during Trumps presidency no longer matters.

[wyn borkins]

1. Oh, It Matters

Or we'll be in tatters
And you know: 'Justice Matters'
So always, 'fightforfreedom' matters

[uponit7771]

2. "What happened during Tumps presidency is know irrelevant" no its not, the DOJ is still the DOJ

... and there's enough evidence in the Mueller report to ***CHARGE*** Trump the second he wasn't president.

They haven't, its been a year

but

The DOJ has charged Maryin Mosby on CARE fraud charges KNOWING CARE was qualifications were lose enough to that ANYONE is qualified to take them.

I'm not taking this shit about the DOJ any longer after Maryan Mosby ... this could ***NO DOUBT*** blow up in Biden's face BIG TIME with black women.

[fightforfreedom]

6. Believe me, I understand why people don't want to get their hopes up.

Trump is one of luckiest human beings who has ever lived. I believe his luck has run out.

[monkeyman1]

22. hell ,it's going to take 6 months to read all the charges in court!!

[Quemado]

54. I'll believe it when I see it.

If and when Trump is indicted.

[Fiendish Thingy]

39. If your rant was a little more coherent, I might be able to respond to it. Nt

[radius777]

63. +1. Many PoC are already unhappy with

the direction of the Admin and the DoJ/Garland, and this move to prosecute a rising black woman in Baltimore DA Marilyn Mosby who made a mistake is a disgrace, while RW traitors like Trump and his cronies walk around free. There are many white business owners who abused the CARES act to the tune of hundreds of thousands and sometimes millions - yet a black woman is the one who becomes the face for CARES fraud.

Note to white Democrats: Biden/Dems can't win without strong support from black and brown Democrats. Appointing a black female Supreme Court justice is not enough - there has to be policies that black/brown voters want. Voting Rights and Police Reform should've been the first order of business.

[uponit7771]

67. +1, thing is mostly ANYONE qualifies for CARES because of the quarantine part which requires

... no proof at all.

This would be a correspondence letter with the IRS on every charge even the lien because they have records that the lien was paid and the IRS is 2 years behind.

I don't understand what the DOJ in MD is doing and the NAACP in the area are already filling a fund for her against the DOJ.

Jus, damn

[Blue Owl]

3. These days Dump is just wandering around Mar a Lardo in an open bathrobe

He'd be more useful occupying a jail cell!

[fightforfreedom]

4. Exactly.

There are still people who do not understand things are completely different now. A new president, a new AG, a new congress who was attacked and a case where a rookie prosecutor could convince a grand jury to indict.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

5. If you're talking about Jan 6, nothing is going to happen to IQ45 over it

The big problem for the prosecution would be that no particular act of his, in and of itself, was 'criminal', and sitting presidents have a great deal of leeway, legally. And 'conspiracy to install yourself as dictator for life' is probably not in the law books.

As such I highly doubt a case will ever be brought against him.

Now, he may end up being prosecuted for that bit with meddling in the vote counting in GA, but I'm guessing at worst (for him) it'll involve a fine and probation.

The bit with Letitia James ... is a civil case, so he's not going to jail for that either.

Then there's the fact that we'll probably lose Congress (at least the House) in November, meanwhile Trump will stall and file appeals and get 'his' judges to rule in his favor in most cases.

He's going to skate, so I'd prepare yourself.

[fightforfreedom]

7. No act of his was criminal?

Time will tell.

[fightforfreedom]

10. The case in Georgia is a criminal case. Possible RICO case.

There is also a criminal case in New York. The AG in New York is running a civil case and I have no doubt she wants to dissolve , financially destroy the Trump organization.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

12. He may, like I say, be prosecuted under GA law, I just don't think he'll go to jail

over it, even if found guilty.

And yeah, Letitia may be able to hurt Trump financially, perhaps badly ... but it's still only financial.

Not sure which criminal case in NY you're talking about, but I'm open to hearing about it

[fightforfreedom]

14. Wow, The criminal case in New York has been going on for three years.

You may want to educate yourself before you post.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

34. Okay well I specifically started by saying nothing will happen to him due to 1/6 or the election

If there's some other case I'm unaware of, then maybe there's another route to getting to him.

But I don't think anything will happen to him for shit surrounding 1/6 or his attempts to circumvent the Election results, specifically.

[Lonestarblue]

33. It's the one that Cyrus Vance was in charge of but dropped on his successor by doing nothing.

He ran the clock out until his retirement, but that one involves criminal tax and insurance fraud.

[homegirl]

35. Rape charges

and the very wise victim saved the DNA evidence. Trump has refused to provide a DNA sample to clear himself. There is no statute of limitations on rape charges in NY state.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

43. Where are these criminal rape charges? AFAIK there's only a civil defamation case atm.

Not saying he didn't DO it, mind you ... but prosecuting a rape case 20+ years after the fact? With no rape kit in evidence (is there even a police report, I don't recall), especially?

Sadly I have to say ... I really doubt it. People with MUCH better evidence against them skate on rape charges all day long and twice on Sundays. Again, sadly.

Also I think the 'no statute of limitation' thing might only apply to victims of sexual abuse who were minors at the time, not adults. Could be wrong on that, but pretty sure.

Anyways, I don't see what we'd all hope for in regards to his past sexual assaults ... happening.

[homegirl]

50. Updated 9/15/21

A judge denied a request by a lawyer for former President Donald Trump to pause a lawsuit that accuses him of defaming writer E. Jean Carroll after she alleged he raped her decades ago.
The ruling appears to allow for proceedings and filings to restart in the Manhattan federal court case, even as Trump and the Justice Department pursue an appeal of an earlier decision in the case.
The DOJ has argued that it should be the sole defendant because Trump was acting as a government employee when he claimed that Carroll was lying and motivated by money.

Thank you for pushing me to get correct charge.

[lagomorph777]

15. "no particular act of his, in and of itself, was 'criminal'"

Dude.

[fightforfreedom]

18. Thank you, I held back on how I wanted to respond.

You did it in a good way.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

32. What particular election-related 'thing', other than what he did in GA, are you saying was

a criminal act, in and of itself?

I'm saying that it's tough to make a case that a collection of ostensibly legal acts (taken individually) amount to a criminal conspiracy. On top of that is the fact that no POTUS has ever been prosecuted for anything remotely like ... what he tried to do.

Do you think there's a law on the books discussing Presidents pressuring VP's to refuse to certify election results? Or them filing dozens of frivolous election lawsuits. Making up claims that the election was rife with fraud? Receiving a powerpoint presentation from some rando person explaining how the election results could be circumvented? ALMOST signing an EO to confiscate voting machines? Telling a crowd of people to go protest at the Capitol?

Which THING ... are you laughing at me about, Lago?

I'm not saying he SHOULDN'T be prosecuted for something like sedition, he absolutely should. But I don't see prosecutors having the stomach for it ... nor, in fact, the needed laws that make it possible to make a serious case against him for trying to squat at the White House beyond his time.

[fightforfreedom]

41. Just sit back and watch for all the indictments.

Then you will understand. Be patient because justice in America moves slowly. This time Trump cannot stop justice.

[llashram]

45. I just hope you are hugely wrong

I think the rats on the ground and in the rarified air of Congress, rethugs specifically, will start ratting on each in private and/or in public. If you turn out you're right, which I seriously doubt, great and tragic, for our Democracy, kabuki theatre.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

48. There might be other, more clear-cut criminal cases to be made against the Slobfather

I mean, he IS a fucking criminal, at minimum in the financial sense.

And I certainly pray (in my way) that SOMEthing sticks, and we all get to see him perp-walked at some point.

But I don't think it's going to be his 2020 election fuckery/coup attempt. I don't believe that the laws needed to do so are on the books, mainly.

I'd be DELIGHTED BEYOND WORDS, to be entirely wrong on this.

[CaptainTruth]

51. IMHO you are right. I talk to about a dozen attorneys on a regular basis...

...including a few who argue cases in circuit courts & have argued cases before SCOTUS, & when they say that something does or doesn't meet the standards required for it to be a crime they always explain the reasons why, cite sections of the US code, explain what conditions must be met (proven) for it to be a crime under those sections, cite relevant SCOTUS decisions & other caselaw that establishes precedent & supports their legal opinion.

When it comes to Traitor Trump's actions on Jan 6 I agree with you that much of what he did falls into the "awful but lawful" category. His actions were awful, reprehensible, disgusting, & more, but as far as I can tell they didn't meet the standards required to be considered crimes under US law. I really wish other folks who find that laughable would draw upon their law degrees & years of legal practice & explain to the rest of us exactly what crimes they see & cite the relevant sections of the US code, explain how the required conditions for a crime were met, & cite SCOTUS decisions & other caselaw to support their conclusions.

I'm always eager to learn so if there are significant legal principles that I & a bunch of practicing attorney have somehow missed, someone please explain them to us. Thanks.

[fightforfreedom]

56. I'm no lawyer, If there are no laws against conspiring to overthrow our country.

We are screwed. By the way, I would not want any of the lawyers you talk to representing me or defending our country. This was a attempted coup and what you are saying is Trump broke no laws. He just acted in a awful way. That's insane.

[harumph]

59. you're correct, all excuses are merely an exercise in sophistry.

Is there no 'spirit' of the law to be relied on?

[Tommymac]

20. I disagree with you 100%. He is going to jail.

Along with his kids, cronies, advisors, Grand Pubahs, accountants, lawyers, and dieticians.

(Well, the last is a stretch but if they exist they should be prosecuted for allowing him to model that horrible diet for all to follow.)

Pessimism is soooo yesterday's news.

[rambler_american]

36. His dieticians?

Col. Sanders and Ronald McDonald?

[calimary]

26. Get him the way they got Al Capone. Tax evasion.

Make it so!!!

[Hugh_Lebowski]

29. Sure that I would believe, but we've heard nothing about such a case being brought

[former9thward]

55. The IRS and NY IRS have had his tax returns since the 1960s

That's a long time. Why haven't they brought a case?

[calimary]

62. Maybe because he's flown under the radar all this time?

And they’ve had other fish to fry?

[former9thward]

64. Uh, no.

Trump has been in the celebrity limelight since the 1970s. He was called the "unofficial Mayor of New York". He has never been under any radar. I doubt that both organizations have had "other fish to fry" for 50 years.

[calimary]

65. Maybe he's been paying them off all these years?

And distracting. And deflecting. For decades. It’s certainly true that he’s always managed to slither away to safety and remain untouchable.

So then the rest of us have to face up and ask ourselves: are we okay with that? REALLY? Seriously????

But, again, Al Capone didn’t get away with it forever. There finally DID come a point when his luck ran out.

[former9thward]

66. If he was paying them off then it would mean the IRS

was corrupt and being bribed when it was under Presidents Obama, Clinton, Carter and Johnson. I don't believe that. It is a serious charge to make and I have seen no evidence of that.

[Quemado]

31. I pretty much agree with you.

Seeing Trump getting indicted is high on my list of things I hope happens.

Nevertheless....

We have been hearing in the media over the past few years about "Trump did this" and "Trump did that". Trump has been out of office for over a year, so he no longer has the office of the Presidency to protect him from prosecution. He hasn't been indicted yet. I have my doubts that he will ever be indicted.

[Fiendish Thingy]

40. Then why did Trump fight so hard to keep his papers secret?

Sounds like a guy who knows he’s going down…

[Hugh_Lebowski]

49. Because he's a power-hungry egomaniac ... and he's litigious as fuck?

I mean I'm pretty sure what's in those papers will make him look bad, at minimum, and we all know he's obsessed with appearances and what 'people are saying'.

I wouldn't count on the mere existence of a 'court fight against disclosure' from IQ45 about any given thing necessarily means there's clear-cut evidence of criminal activity on his part present in whatever he's fighting to keep secret.

I hope I'm completely wrong, let me be very clear

[aggiesal]

57. I'm hoping something in the White House papers ...

that Pendejo45 tried to keep private, turns up something.

We really don't know what the 1/6 Commission has.
Hopefully something really incriminating.

[Vinca]

8. I hope you're right. I just go on his track record for his entire life. He's gotten away with

little slaps on the wrist and modest fines for everything he's gotten caught at.

[fightforfreedom]

11. Like I said, the past no longer matters.

This is a whole new ball game. A very serious ball game in which Trump has no one, no daddy, no lawyer, no congress, no presidency, that can save him.

[lagomorph777]

16. I assume you mean "His past protections are no longer there."

His crimes most certainly are still out there.

[monkeyman1]

23. It only take's one major screw up & he's the major screw up !!!

[Cartoonist]

9. I never get my hopes up.

In the end, it only takes one Trumper on the jury to deny justice.

[BlackSkimmer]

13. I don't believe that will ever happen.

Nice to think so.

[sarisataka]

17. I am still waiting on the predictions

Of how he was going to resign from office to happen.

The predictions of indictment will have to get in line.

[Baked Potato]

19. These public facing inquiries and investigations would be

great cover for ongoing counterintelligence investigations. I think T***p is a full-on sellout of America.

[bucolic_frolic]

21. Those are the reasons he'll get off

He's no longer relevant.

[Escurumbele]

24. I agree with your optimism, I too have been saying that, reason why it upsets me when people

talk about him running in 2024...he will not run in 2024, he will be indicted this year.

[homegirl]

42. We all have

our theories. Mine is, when it gets very close Donald will flee to Putin in Moscow. He will receive a warm welcome. maybe even a medal. Then ensconced in a dacha on the Black Sea. But, Donald, being Donald wills seek the limelight. Vlad will have none of it and Donald will...
A. Have an accident with the poisoned tip of an umbrella
B. Lean too far over a balcony while wearing his lift shoes, lose his balance and SPLAT!

Feel free to add your own theory.

[Texaswitchy]

47. He will flee.

Ivanka also.

The boys will be left behind.

[NoMoreRepugs]

25. Smear the Orange Anus and Republicans 24/7 until

the next election with FACTS and findings - influence the Independent voters and hopefully hold onto our Democracy,

[KPN]

27. Good analysis.

[lame54]

28. Today?

[Bev54]

30. I think a RICO charge could incorporate his criminal activity during the 2016 election and through

his presidency. It is all related to his efforts to win elections, illegally.

[cilla4progress]

37. Today?

Today!



I've been out of the loop!

[Progress4ever]

38. This is why I think TFG will be indicted

Because if he isnt,, his goons will steal 2024 and their first step back in power will be to round up Democrat leaders and shoot them.

So seeing our leaders aren't idiots I imagine at some point they will see the writing on the wall and arrest the terrorists and their God emperor.

They haven't yet because they know when they do jail TFG there will be mass domestic terrorism from the MAGATs. They are hoping he just goes away before things get drastic. He is a fat POS after all, and he's pushing 85. He is one too many bigmacs away from nature solving this crisis. So why pick an fight before you have to?

Never forget that the day we arrest Trump will make January 6th look like a lullaby.

[L. Coyote]

44. What happened during #FailedCoupGuy's presidency was a coup, and it matters.

"What happened during Trumps presidency no longer matters."

That's when the crimes happened. You have this completely wrong.

[SoonerPride]

46. I am willing to bet you actual real money that he is never indicted

Much less convicted.

The DOJ will never move to prosecute a sitting or former president.

They just won't do it.

He is above the law and he knows it.

[nitpicker]

52. +1

As much as we want to, IMO nothing will happen.

Remember how much people jumped up and down with the Mueller investigation??

[kentuck]

53. I like your optimism.

I agree that he could be indicted by a grand jury. But a jury trial is a different question.

However, the jury system is the best system we have found so far to judge the guilt or innocence of another citizen. No one can be exempt in a democracy. Everyone has a right to a trial by jury of their peers. (Who would be Trump's peers? Does money have to be a factor in being a "peer"? I would think not.)

We know what happens when we try to compromise and refuse to uphold the rule of law? In my opinion, it gave us the Civil War.

So, you are right. Trump is no longer President. And it wouldn't matter if he was still the President, in the eyes of the law.

[harumph]

58. From your lips to God's ears

[raccoon]

60. From your keyboard to God's ears.

[L. Coyote]

61. The panic in their voices can even be heard in their tweets.

I reported Jr. tweet.

Link to tweet