Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:57 AM
zanana1 (5,644 posts)
What do you think will happen if Russia invades Ukraine?
All I can think is that allies (including us) will join forces and bring about WW3.
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34 replies, 949 views
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zanana1 | Feb 2022 | OP |
Sherman A1 | Feb 2022 | #1 | |
gab13by13 | Feb 2022 | #2 | |
Chainfire | Feb 2022 | #3 | |
zanana1 | Feb 2022 | #5 | |
Clash City Rocker | Feb 2022 | #19 | |
Demsrule86 | Feb 2022 | #24 | |
Demsrule86 | Feb 2022 | #25 | |
mitch96 | Feb 2022 | #29 | |
Thomas Hurt | Feb 2022 | #4 | |
John Ludi | Feb 2022 | #7 | |
awesomerwb1 | Feb 2022 | #10 | |
Irish_Dem | Feb 2022 | #20 | |
mitch96 | Feb 2022 | #30 | |
Irish_Dem | Feb 2022 | #33 | |
mitch96 | Feb 2022 | #34 | |
GoCubsGo | Feb 2022 | #31 | |
LakeArenal | Feb 2022 | #6 | |
A HERETIC I AM | Feb 2022 | #8 | |
AZSkiffyGeek | Feb 2022 | #9 | |
Torchlight | Feb 2022 | #16 | |
C_U_L8R | Feb 2022 | #11 | |
doc03 | Feb 2022 | #12 | |
brachism | Feb 2022 | #13 | |
SoonerPride | Feb 2022 | #14 | |
Amishman | Feb 2022 | #15 | |
Probatim | Feb 2022 | #17 | |
Turbineguy | Feb 2022 | #18 | |
Enoki33 | Feb 2022 | #21 | |
Torchlight | Feb 2022 | #22 | |
Demsrule86 | Feb 2022 | #23 | |
Joinfortmill | Feb 2022 | #26 | |
KY_EnviroGuy | Feb 2022 | #27 | |
themaguffin | Feb 2022 | #28 | |
mitch96 | Feb 2022 | #32 |
Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:59 AM
Sherman A1 (38,958 posts)
1. Nothing good
as for the particulars, that hopefully is never seen.
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Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:00 AM
gab13by13 (16,340 posts)
2. A war crime.
Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:06 AM
Chainfire (13,779 posts)
3. What will happen?
A lot of pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth, threats and tears, and Russia will occupy Ukraine.
Putin has calculated that no one will start WWIII over Ukraine. |
Response to Chainfire (Reply #3)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:07 AM
zanana1 (5,644 posts)
5. I hope you're right.
Response to zanana1 (Reply #5)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:52 AM
Clash City Rocker (3,021 posts)
19. You hate Ukraine that much?
If Russia faces no consequence for invading another nation, they will likely invade another after that. History tells us that is a bad thing.
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Response to Clash City Rocker (Reply #19)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 12:52 PM
Demsrule86 (66,417 posts)
24. We simply can't have a war over this...it can't and won't happen.
Response to Clash City Rocker (Reply #19)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 12:53 PM
Demsrule86 (66,417 posts)
25. No, to war.
Response to Clash City Rocker (Reply #19)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:41 PM
mitch96 (12,260 posts)
29. "History tells us that is a bad thing.".. Yup, Neville Chamberlain gave the Sudetenland
A German speaking territory in Czechoslovakia to Hitler. He thought he was avoiding "conflict" but it only gave the little nazi more impetus to take more land...
"Lebensraum" As Hitler put it. A place to expand for the "racially superior" people. I think PUtin just wants to get Russia back to post WW2 territory, whether the people living in those lands want it or not...uff m |
Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:07 AM
Thomas Hurt (13,892 posts)
4. From what I have seen and heard, Russia will have sanctions slapped on them immediately.
The Ukrainians will resist best they can. There will be a refugee problem. Probably a guerilla resistance in the country as well.
Based on Joe's presser, NATO/US military are not going to get involved unless Putin's forces wander into NATO territory. I imagine that NATO will be supplying Ukraine from the Western border. |
Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #4)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:15 AM
John Ludi (570 posts)
7. I think
this is the most likely scenario.
And I wonder if China would see this as a green light to move on Taiwan. |
Response to John Ludi (Reply #7)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:21 AM
awesomerwb1 (4,152 posts)
10. Wouldn't rule it out.nt
Response to John Ludi (Reply #7)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:53 AM
Irish_Dem (38,425 posts)
20. Make no mistake, China is closely watching how this plays out.
I wouldn't be surprised if Beijing encouraged Moscow. Not that Putin needed much encouragement.
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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #20)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:44 PM
mitch96 (12,260 posts)
30. "China is closely watching how this plays out". Just like how Japan watched how Europe played out
b4 it's attack on Pearl Harbor. Since Chamberlain backed down they thought the US would back down also... Ahhh no..
m |
Response to mitch96 (Reply #30)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:55 PM
Irish_Dem (38,425 posts)
33. Exactly.
Very nice understanding of WWII and linking facts to current day events.
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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #33)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 02:08 PM
mitch96 (12,260 posts)
34. This always rings in my head.. "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it"..nt
Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #4)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:47 PM
GoCubsGo (31,428 posts)
31. Yep, and those sanctions will likely destroy Russia's economy.
The West will also cut off Putin's and his other oligarch associates' access to their foreign bank accounts, so they won't be able to get at the bulk of their money. And, there will, no doubt, but a whole lot of cyber attacks.
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Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:13 AM
LakeArenal (26,461 posts)
6. A whole bunch saber rattling.
Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:16 AM
A HERETIC I AM (23,743 posts)
8. It won't be WWIII, but it won't be pretty
It could be Russia's Viet Nam, in that they will be fighting a nation of resistors , and those resistors will be getting help from the US and the rest of NATO, just as the Viet Cong were getting help from the Chinese and the Soviets.
Imagine if a foreign power were to do the same to us. Imagine if Canada had once considered the US part of it and now wants us back. There is no way it could happen. Ukraine has had a couple decades to enjoy NOT being under the Soviet thumb, so to speak. The Russians can not win this if there are enough Ukrainians to resist. Not to mention that Russia, as big as it is, has an economy half the GDP of California, for fucks sake. They can't afford a protracted war with an army (or population) that can't be defeated. I don't know who said it, but it will apply to this at some point; "The end of a war is not defined by the victor, but by the vanquished." In other words, if a population refuses to give up and surrender, it doesn't matter who they are fighting. |
Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:18 AM
AZSkiffyGeek (9,045 posts)
9. A whole lot of handwringing and gnashing of teeth
About how awful war is and how we shouldn't get involved and ZERO concern about the people actually getting killed by the Russians.
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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #9)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:41 AM
Torchlight (2,172 posts)
16. I think concern about these deaths is obvious and implicit
under the umbrella of the "hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth" regarding war itself.
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Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:24 AM
C_U_L8R (43,909 posts)
11. Russia will never get the respect it craves so badly
It will be outcast and economically diminished until its people realize Putin and the criminal oligarchs did this all to them. Until then, they seem doomed to repeating the same story over and over.
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Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:37 AM
doc03 (33,275 posts)
12. They will get away with it at first then it depends
on how effective Ukraine is in resisting. Gas prices will go up and most Americans won't give a flying f--k about Ukraine just gas prices. Russia will cut off gas to Europe blaming sanctions and it won't be long before Europe starts squealing like a pig and blameing Biden
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Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:37 AM
brachism (79 posts)
13. Apologies for make light of a serious and possibly deadly situation, but
(The world) is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions; fire and brimstone coming down from the skies, rivers and seas boiling, 40 years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanoes, the dead rising from the grave, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria.
(R.I.P. Ivan Reitman) |
Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:38 AM
SoonerPride (12,286 posts)
14. Nothing like that will happen.
We will sanction Russia.
The right wing will celebrate. |
Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:39 AM
Amishman (5,376 posts)
15. A nasty proxy war
US and allies funneling weapons and intel to the Ukrainians, creating a bloody quagmire.
Success in that terrain requires air control, and Russia is extremely behind other major powers in stealth technology. I'm expecting that the West is flooding the Ukraine with air defense systems and experts to crash train troops on their use. Deny Russia the ability to provide close air support, and the defenders stand a much better chance. Russia's economy is not great, nor is their military in a position for a protracted war of attrition. |
Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:45 AM
Probatim (1,887 posts)
17. WWIII won't be as profitable for the oligarchs - many small wars are much more profitable.
Plus I think he's doing this to pump up the price of oil to pad his coffers for a few months.
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Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:49 AM
Turbineguy (36,086 posts)
18. US republicans will support Putin.
Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:55 AM
Enoki33 (1,542 posts)
21. Suspect Putin may have made one of
his rare miscalculations. May have underestimated the effects of crippling sanctions, determination of the Ukrainians to fight for their country and the willingness of the Russian people to willingly accept it all, despite all the propaganda bombardment. He may also have misplaced reliance on economic lifelines from China. It could conceivably lead eventually to his downfall.
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Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:58 AM
Torchlight (2,172 posts)
22. If it happens, I'm pessimistic about the outcome.
I think given the current deployment (and all other things being equal), Moscow could (could, not will) overrun the nation from the north and east in as little as three weeks.
If that turns out to be the case, it comes down to will and patience-- can/would western sanctions outlast the Russian occupation of the nation. I do not think the western nations would directly aid Kiev and I think Putin knows that and counts on it; keeping the conflict regional in scale. Given the anemic reactions by the west to the Russo-Georgian war and the annexation of Crimea, my glass-half-empty bias gets even more so. |
Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 12:49 PM
Demsrule86 (66,417 posts)
23. No that will not happen no matter what.
Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 12:57 PM
Joinfortmill (11,506 posts)
26. Ukraine will suffer greatly, but so will Putin & Co.
This is a scary game of 'chicken'.
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Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:22 PM
KY_EnviroGuy (14,352 posts)
27. Soooo very much of this reminds me of Russia in Afghanistan.
Some would say all big powers with dictators and fascist leaders must have an occasional war to rally the minions, to maintain insane levels of patriotism and to maintain their death-grip on power.
To this amateur observer, Putin has no rational reason for invading but I think he feels historically justified in maintaining a soft red wall around Russia's borders as a shield for his unwarranted fears.. KY |
Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:29 PM
themaguffin (3,542 posts)
28. Read Sen Murphy's tweet thread on this...
Response to zanana1 (Original post)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:52 PM
mitch96 (12,260 posts)
32. My fear in a worst case is as an escalation proceeds is that cyber warfare will turn everything off
EVerything run by a computer that is hooked to the internet will get "hacked" turned off or made inoperable..
Remember how "someone" blew up the centrifuges in Iran with a software tweak? I hope it never gets this far... m |