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Sat Feb 19, 2022, 03:54 AM

"the big sort" Americans are fleeing to places where political views match their own

There's a private Facebook group with nearly 8,000 members called Conservatives Moving to Texas. Three of them are sitting at a dinner table munching on barbecue weenies and brownies in the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex. None are vaxxed.

And they love it here.

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"People weren't wearing masks nobody cared. It's kind of like heaven on earth."

She says when the state of California forced her to close her photography studio over COVID-19 restrictions, she and her husband, a retired newspaper editor, knew it was time to "escape."

America is growing more geographically polarized red ZIP codes are getting redder and blue ZIP codes are becoming bluer. People appear to be sorting.-

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"We felt very out of place and very uncomfortable at times," says Tiffany Wooten, a 43-year-old stay-at-home mom whose family recently relocated from conservative Indiana to liberal Austin. "We were looking at blue cities because we wanted to be with our own people."

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/18/1081295373/the-big-sort-americans-move-to-areas-political-alignment

In the modern era, Texas has fashioned itself into a sort-of breakaway red-meat republic banning books and restricting abortion, blocking mask mandates, and building its own border fence. It retains this national image in spite of the fact that its five largest counties went for President Biden.

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Of the nation's total 3,143 counties, the number of super landslide counties where a presidential candidate won at least 80% of the vote has jumped from 6% in 2004 to 22% in 2020.

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Reply "the big sort" Americans are fleeing to places where political views match their own (Original post)
Demovictory9 Feb 2022 OP
jimfields33 Feb 2022 #1
Celerity Feb 2022 #2
Desert_Leslie Feb 2022 #15
shrike3 Feb 2022 #34
sanatanadharma Feb 2022 #3
Desert_Leslie Feb 2022 #16
Lovie777 Feb 2022 #23
tanyev Feb 2022 #35
Diablo del sol Feb 2022 #54
mnhtnbb Feb 2022 #4
Martin Eden Feb 2022 #19
mnhtnbb Feb 2022 #21
Martin Eden Feb 2022 #24
Thtwudbeme Feb 2022 #29
llmart Feb 2022 #42
brooklynite Feb 2022 #49
Martin Eden Feb 2022 #53
RetiredRNIowa Feb 2022 #5
Demovictory9 Feb 2022 #6
Silver Gaia Feb 2022 #25
Retrograde Feb 2022 #51
Silver Gaia Feb 2022 #56
mnhtnbb Feb 2022 #7
Demovictory9 Feb 2022 #8
mnhtnbb Feb 2022 #9
Sherman A1 Feb 2022 #11
mnhtnbb Feb 2022 #13
Thtwudbeme Feb 2022 #30
mainer Feb 2022 #14
multigraincracker Feb 2022 #10
ashredux Feb 2022 #12
Docreed2003 Feb 2022 #17
Diablo del sol Feb 2022 #55
Emile Feb 2022 #18
Hortensis Feb 2022 #20
Demovictory9 Feb 2022 #22
Hortensis Feb 2022 #36
Silver Gaia Feb 2022 #27
Hortensis Feb 2022 #44
Silver Gaia Feb 2022 #58
Hortensis Feb 2022 #59
hatrack Feb 2022 #28
Nay Feb 2022 #31
Hortensis Feb 2022 #47
Diablo del sol Feb 2022 #57
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2022 #26
ananda Feb 2022 #32
shrike3 Feb 2022 #33
maxsolomon Feb 2022 #39
shrike3 Feb 2022 #40
maxsolomon Feb 2022 #43
shrike3 Feb 2022 #45
shrike3 Feb 2022 #41
maxsolomon Feb 2022 #46
shrike3 Feb 2022 #48
maxsolomon Feb 2022 #52
shrike3 Feb 2022 #60
Raftergirl Feb 2022 #37
maxsolomon Feb 2022 #38
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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:06 AM

1. It makes perfect sense really

Blue voters want to go where their values are lived daily.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:07 AM

2. This section is beyond maddening:

Karen Bates, a 52-year-old mortgage executive, moved to the Dallas-Fort Worth metropolitan area with her family last year from Puerto Rico. She says the island's government was going to force her teenaged daughter, who has Type 1 diabetes, to get vaccinated against the coronavirus. She now attends a Christian school.

"She's not had to wear a mask," Bates says. "She doesn't have to get vaccinated. She's thriving on the tennis team, making straight A's. I love the freedom of [vaccine] choice in Texas."


Diabetes is one the most correlated COVID force-multiplying comorbidities out there. If BA.2 (and there are if's here) is truly as (or even more) lethal in terms of infection mortality rate as the other most lethal variants, and if it also is as (or more) transmissible as origin strain Omicron, then that family has a somewhat decent chance of having a teenage funeral in their future.

What the fuck is wrong with these shitehawks?

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Response to Celerity (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:13 AM

15. Yep.

Type 1 diabetic here. I'm a 68-year-old woman and have had Type 1 for 50 years.

I've utterly given up the hope that other people will wise up and follow the science. It's every wo(man) for themselves now.

So I wear my N95 EnvoMask everywhere I go, all the time. (Love these masks, BTW -- they have a gel cushion around the mask edge that gives it a great mask seal. The N95 filter is replaceable.) Amazingly, I have gotten not a single comment.

High-quality masks solve so many problems: Public has given up on masking? Stealthy new variant discovered? Well, I was wearing my mask, so I have a much reduced need to worry.

I have started going to patio happy hours every couple weeks here in Phoenix (lucky us). BUT I'm there for the friends ... not the food or drink. I keep my social distance and, most importantly, keep my mask firmly in place during the entire event, not lifting or removing it to eat/drink. I order food to go and eat it at home.

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Response to Desert_Leslie (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 10:43 AM

34. "Every wo(man) for themselves."


That's pretty much how I view it now.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:10 AM

3. America is dividing into tomorrow and yesterday

The trend of seeking comfortable circumstances for one's point-of-view may result a two state solution for US States.

Some will be progressive, welcoming, educated, wealthy, healthy and growing.
Others will be regressive, closed off, poorly taught, unhealthy, and stagnant.

Businesses will flourish in some, while there will never be enough people seeking to settle in others regardless of how much they cut businesses taxes to attract investment.

Musk may like Texas for its low business taxes, but smart, well-educated, technology savvy, progressive families who want well-rounded, educated lives for their children will not.

Progressive states will shine more by the loss of selfish people, while other States will become meaner, nastier,, and duller.




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Response to sanatanadharma (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:15 AM

16. Hit the nail on the head

That is one of the smartest comments I've heard lately ... "dividing into tomorrow and yesterday."

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Response to sanatanadharma (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 08:13 AM

23. One group will be moving forward and other backwards . . .

kinda reminds me of history, yeah that's a horrible word for RWers. How about the Neanderthals compared to modern humans.

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Response to sanatanadharma (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 11:07 AM

35. That's an excellent description.

I've been thinking of it as "adaptable to change" vs. "cannot tolerate change".

As soon as it became apparent that Covid was spread through the air and masks would help, I started wearing masks every day. Sewed my own at first and switched to N95s when they became available. I felt like that was a trivial change to make, considering how much protection it affords. The switch to curbside grocery pickup and only getting takeout from restaurants is not a problem either, although I do look forward to a time when that's no longer necessary.

It's stunned me how many people cannot stand the idea of doing any of that. They don't want to get vaccinated, they don't want to wear masks, they don't want to stop having parties or going out to eat or doing any of the things they used to do. They want life to go on as it was before Covid, without doing any of the things that will protect them from Covid. I guess the mountain of lies they believe is necessary to maintain their bubble of delusion. They simply cannot tolerate making the changes that would keep them healthy and alive.

I also wonder how much of it is introversion vs extroversion. I am strongly introverted, so giving up going to shows, movies and get-togethers with friends for a while is not a big deal for me. I guess it would feel like torture for someone who is strongly extroverted.

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Response to sanatanadharma (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 03:33 PM

54. Not just Musk. Ellison of Oracle also.

 

Both piece of shit human beings. Owe their wealth to original funding from feds.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:10 AM

4. I live in an NC county that went 80.2% Biden

in 2020.

Moved into a newly constructed development on Jan 6, 2020. I see new neighbors' cars in the driveways with license plates from all over the country. My neighbors on one side are from Puerto Rico, from Ohio on the other side, from Texas and from California via New York across the street. Other new neighbors are from Arkansas, Maryland, Virginia, New Jersey, Washington, DC, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, but quite a few are from California.

On the other hand, my Puerto Rican neighbors are already flirting with the idea of moving to Florida in order to be closer to family.

Me? I lived in NY, NJ, CA, MO, and NE before moving to NC in 2000, and I lived in three other NC counties ( two blue and one red) before I moved to Durham last year.

We live in a very mobile world.

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:21 AM

19. My wife and I are considering retiring to NC

Lifelong residents of Chicagoland, we'd like to get away from higher taxes and harsher winters. We've often vacationed in the beautiful NC mountains, but rather than Asheville she'd prefer a location about halfway between the mountains and the sea.

We're still a couple years away from moving, but she recently saw a very nice property just outside Greensboro that would cost twice as much in suburban Chicago.

However, I'm hesitant to move into red meat country. I know NC is a red state, but your post indicates there are pockets of diversity. Could you tell me your current area of residence?

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:35 AM

21. NC is more purple

and fighting back from 2010 takeover by Republicans, who gerrymandered like crazy and we're still fighting legal battles over it Went for Obama in 2008. In 2020 more people voted for Dem Congressional Reps state wide than Republicans, yet we ended up with 5 Dem Reps and 8 Republican Reps. NC State Supreme Court just sent new district maps back to be redrawn after Republican controlled Legislature tried to gerrymander again, even though we went to US Supreme Court with previous gerrymandered maps. It's a constant battle, but I think we're getting closer to recovering more Dem representation that actually reflects voters statewide.

That said, some counties are more blue than others. I'm in southwest Durham county, which is adjacent to also blue Orange and Wake counties. Only 3 hour drive to my favorite beach, Emerald Isle.

Come visit the Triangle area--Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill--and check it out. I will say we are experiencing a lot of growth and real estate prices are rising rapidly, as we're in an area where supply isn't keeping up with demand even though a lot of building is going on.

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 08:46 AM

24. Thanks for that info

We're still a year or two away from moving, but we're starting to give this some serious thought.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:29 AM

29. We are very close

 

to where you are considering. Please send me a PM if you want information.

Most folks think of liberal areas of NC as Raleigh, Chapel Hill, Durham and Asheville.

That is not true at all- Greensboro and Winston are extremely diverse, liberal and forward thinking. It's also beautiful with mild weather- and an hour and a half away from the mountains and coasts. Greensboro has one of the most beautiful train stations on the east coast, and you can be in DC in 6 hours for a fun weekend-

Lots of museums, libraries, bookstores, pubs....all kinds of liberal arts/ artsy mess abounds.

We take care of our homeless pretty well too- Winston-Salem has housed over 90% of our homeless so they can live dignified lives.

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Response to Thtwudbeme (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:34 PM

42. I lived in Charlotte until the mid-90's.

I found it to be rather diverse. It's mid-state so you could be in the mountains in under 2 hours and the coast about 3 (hope I'm remembering that correctly. I have fond memories of NC, but then I was younger and things weren't so politically fraught like they are these days.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:43 PM

49. So, you don't want to move to a "Red" Country but you want a "Red" policy of lower taxes?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #49)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:58 PM

53. We've paid high taxes all our working lives and were OK with it.

As retirees we have to make our limited income go further. We could stay in Illinois and get much lower property taxes in more rural areas, but we want a warmer climate that's closer to areas we've always loved on our vacations. We like to go on long walks in scenic places.

If you want to continue with accusatory sounding questions you can take a long walk off a short pier.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:11 AM

5. Blue States?

I would love to move to a blue covid-careful state or city. Any suggestions?

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Response to RetiredRNIowa (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:18 AM

6. California if you have 1.2M for a medium sized home

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 08:56 AM

25. Depends on where, though...

Our area isnt quite that high, or at least not the last time I checked.

I expect this bubble to pop at some point, though; don't you? That is when to make the move if anyone is thinking to relocate here.

Avoid rural areas, though. We have our fair share of right-wing nutballs out there.

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Response to Silver Gaia (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:53 PM

51. I've been saying that since the 1980s

about the bubble having to burst - but apart from some temporary dips here and there Bay Area house prices have been going up steadily. My advice to people is to skrimp, save, and do anything legal to get on the escalator, even if it means settling for less than you might like.

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Response to Retrograde (Reply #51)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 03:45 PM

56. We live in the Sacramento area. We got an excellent deal on our home

in 2008 when that housing bubble burst. So, yeah, it depends on where you are, I think. I don't think the current bubble is sustainable here either. Our house is now worth triple what we paid, but I seriously don't expect it to stay that way. We get a lot of Bay area buyers here, too, who are willing, even with current home prices, to commute for work. So, I would also say it depends on income earning level as well.

I moved here 20 years ago from Tennessee after a bad divorce with practically nothing but my daughter and some furniture. I am so happy to be here! I don't care how much cheaper it might be to live somewhere else, there's NO WAY I would ever move without being forced. This is the first place I've ever lived (and I've lived a lot of places) where I felt like I was truly (finally) home. Living here, among people of like mind and in a state that largely aligns with my own values, means a lot to my mental and emotional well-being and my sense of security. That is so important to me. I can't attach a price tag to it.

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Response to RetiredRNIowa (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:22 AM

7. Come to NC and help turn us blue!

Orange, Durham, and Wake Counties--the Research Triangle area of NC--or Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill are all blue. Highest vax rates in the state. Mask mandates are respected. I rarely see unmasked people in stores when I go out.

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:24 AM

8. highly educated population

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:26 AM

9. Yes. UNC Chapel Hill and Duke 20 minutes from me

NC State in Raleigh, along with other smaller, private colleges in the area.

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:29 AM

11. I had thought of NC years ago, but retired now

And while Missouri is certainly a Red state my area of St. Louis is blue. Cost of living is okay and Im really not wanting to deal with a move of any kind.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:37 AM

13. I lived in St Joseph for 6 years

so I know about Missouri.

I'm retired, too, and this was, I hope, my last move. My oldest son lives literally 10 minutes from me, and my other son is 20 minutes away for now.

I'll be 71 next month and I don't think I have another move in me. I'd toyed with the idea of moving abroad--before Covid--but the chance to go try out some places expired in the last two years for me.

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:31 AM

30. You need to get out a little! :) Come on up to

 

Guilford and Forsyth!

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Response to RetiredRNIowa (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:56 AM

14. Southern Maine

Or Midcoast Maine. Were still wearing masks here.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:28 AM

10. I move fairly often, every 5 to 10 years.

Last few times to places where I knew no one. I always pick a place that has a college and find that has worked for me. I now live on the out skirts of a town with a medium size State University. Most of my neighbors are Conservative, yet I get along pretty well with them. About 5 miles to town and the university, so I'm close to lots of interesting cultural activities. I'm also in the Middle of an Indian Reservation.
All of this is great with me. I love interacting with all kinds of people.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:34 AM

12. RE Texas...Liberals are moving there as well...it's purple now, thus the draconian Election laws

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:17 AM

17. It's become a running joke here in TN that so many folks from California are moving here

All of the ones I've interacted with are extremely conservative

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Response to Docreed2003 (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 03:40 PM

55. We tend to export the RWers

 

Sorry. In my case I actually tell them, dont like CA, get the fuck out. Neighbor took my advice. GOOD.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:20 AM

18. I wish more of us would move to red area's.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:29 AM

20. A once-friend our son grew up with before their ways parted

fled California last year to Florida, tRump's area, with his partner on retirement. Fled "the people's republic of California," driven out by rampant liberalism even though they lived in a red-dominated eastern California area.

We don't talk, but I've checked on him on his FB page a few times. He's become religious, and in his views you can see confusion and real distress along with his anger at a world that obviously doesn't make sense. Of course the pieces wouldn't fit and the dots be connectable to someone who's apparently marinated for years in RW Kool-Aid. He's a good guy who cares. He wants to be good and live in a good world, but has become incapable of recognizing much of the good that exists.

He and his partner quickly got a few friends in FL and bought a very pretty place backing to a pond in a pretty subdivision. But FL's nothing like the safe, enveloping enclave of conservative values he imagined and was so eager to escape CA to, and I'm afraid he's doomed to continue to be genuinely unhappy.

We've been seeing the sorting out for decades. Can't count how many people told us they were leaving Southern California for small cities and towns for various reasons, but they all came down to that they're seeking places with people who share their general ideology and values.

Conservatives in general feel best where levels of conformity are relatively high, most people are like them, and are sanctuaries from the overload of constant changes and differences of a big international world.

Unfortunately for us, so many people love the vitality they flee that we can't afford to do our own sort into a great blue city for our last big move.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:36 AM

22. its almost as if Rightwingers expect red areas to be utopias. and some of the "sorting" in 80s/90s

were whites fleeing immigration in California. Some admitted that to me.

racist sites on web - the talk was primarily about "where can I live where no blacks/browns".

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 01:40 PM

36. :) The last time "I drove into Texas" and stopped at a giant new gas station

blazing with lights, I browsed the gift area and saw a "Mexican coffee cup," said so right on it -- "Mexican" for the large ceramic cockroach standing in the bottom. My first thought was not, "This is wonderful." Of course I know that's not the usual, but still.

As you say, racial and ethnic separating out has always been going on; white flight to shiny new areas as cities expanded was normal, and those inclined always did that. But this is ideological sorting and only racism driven for some.

Some on both sides, like the guy I mentioned, have become politically/socially extremist, resentful and uncomfortable among people who didn't change with them, angry at not being respected but wanting to be. Others became quickly mean in an era of growing meanness, fearfully and angrily fleeing what they've come to hate, including racists specifically looking for of their own color.

But I think most migrating on both sides are just moving to the kind of places they would always have liked to live because they no longer feel comfortable where they are. Seeking their version of niceness to replace what seems lost.

Speaking of, one thing that's facilitating conservative moves away from blue areas, of course, is typically lower real estate prices in conservative areas. Wonder how much of a factor that enabler is? Also distance working.

Many will be happy or satisfied for life, but not quite utopia for everyone. It seems likely that, when the meanness and extremism pass and things calm down, some are going to end up unhappy with local cultures too insular and even extreme (as the article worries) for them, downright sick of social gatherings always devolving into the same mean spirited and idiotic badmouthing of the usual targets. How about raising children in those places? How about where the kids choose to live as they grow up?

At least those moving to urban areas have their bigger societies, vitality, and relative safety during economic downturns. The same's not true of extra-urban conservative areas especially. An influx of RW social reactionaries is likely to strangle already limited development and lead to decline, as too often happens with conservative communities anyway if they can't draw from the vitality of a nearby blue city.

Whatever. I'm imagining future adjustments following unfortunate decisions inevitable in unfortunate times. But, moving to find our happy place is something we've always done anyway.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:15 AM

27. Thats a sad story.

Sad for your son's once-friend, and sad for Florida. It used to be a nice place to live once upon a time.

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Response to Silver Gaia (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:35 PM

44. :) Florida's not my favorite state, but I know too many who

think it's a very nice place to live to think it isn't for millions who choose to be here. And we like our winters here, which are very nice as long as I can be happy with the frogs in the marsh instead of a wealth of concerts closeby if we could only afford to move wherever I chose. I can.

I notice that that article said TX is drawing most migrants from Florida and California, so it seems likely that, from this one trend anyway, FL could get a net outflow of conservatives. Hope, hope! And of course more of the old RWers are always dropping dead or, frequently, moving back to wherever to be with family.

One reason I feel sad for our once-friend is that somehow he missed that close to half of Floridians vote blue. And most of the in-migration to the east coast where they've settled is from NE states. Not blue enough to draw people seeking blue safety (that's sad!), but he has a rude awakening coming if it hasn't already happened. (Hate to think how he might take it if tRump had to sell Mar-a-Lago and move to someplace with no extradition. )

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #44)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 03:59 PM

58. I lived in both Coco Beach and Gainesville in the mid-1970s,

about 6 months in each place. It was great then. For me.

I have a good friend who lived in Jupiter until the late 90s. When I lived out east (am in California now), I used to drive down to visit her in the winter and always enjoyed it.

It's sad to me what has happened there, especially politically, since then, though. You have my sympathies.

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Response to Silver Gaia (Reply #58)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 04:30 PM

59. Same in many places before population explosion and development

changed them forever. I have my own happy memories of what is no more. I also know, however, that retro views tend to be appear even better than they were, while for some current views are always overlaid by what was lost.

Right now, though, I'm on our patio by an inland marsh hoping to see a pair of otters we suspect may have babies nearby, and wondering if one of our neighbors killed the large gater because we haven't seen him for a while. The only action at the moment is some Sandhill cranes squawking at some others flying over.

Beautiful! We're told by oldtimers that it used to be deeper, a lot more open water than saw grass and water lilies. But marshes fill in over time.


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Response to Hortensis (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:20 AM

28. Gosh, it's almost like he took his confusion and discomfort with him . . .

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Response to hatrack (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 10:06 AM

31. "Wherever you go, there you are." nt

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Response to hatrack (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:38 PM

47. Exactly. And there he is.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 03:51 PM

57. Three families have moved from my small little SoCal enclave.

 

One a RW NRA type. Never coming back.

One couple went to RW area in MI. Kept house, moved back.

Another to TX. Lasted three years, moved back.

Point being, hard core one, happier. Other two were more moderate, could not deal with the crazys

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:02 AM

26. Repubs: "we don't have to wear masks!" Dems: "they put broken glass in our mailbox"

"Indiana's a red state as it is, but Greenfield is also very red," says Tiffany Wooten. "We as Democrats felt very out of place. If people in public were talking about politics it was always a Trump view. We heard 'Those damn liberals' a lot."

She says during the Trump years, it seems like people became more antagonistic toward them for being Democrats. She even fell out with some of her own family of conservative Christians over their support for the former president. And her 18-year-old son, Cole, says his politics ran counter to the kids at his high school, who were MAGA fans like their parents.

"Some of 'em would even have Trump meetups," he says. "They would all bring their Trump flags and then just preach to each other about how great he was. It was just a really threatening atmosphere."

One afternoon, they discovered someone had put broken glass in their mailbox.

In one direction, it might be a "sort"; in the other, I think it's "political cleansing".

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 10:15 AM

32. God, that sucks!

More reddies here... yuck!

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 10:39 AM

33. I live in a blue area in Indiana


But even in this blue area people are sorting: most because of Covid. Those who take Covid seriously spend far less time around people who don't, and vice versa.

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Response to shrike3 (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:11 PM

39. You live in Indy or in Bloomington.

Are there any other blue areas in Indiana? Fort Wayne?

My sister lives outside Madison. Greg Pence's district.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #39)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:26 PM

40. Nope, I live close to Chicago.


Our media are Chicago. Lots of Chicago transplants. Hence the reason behind the blue.

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Response to shrike3 (Reply #40)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:34 PM

43. Ah. Hadn't considered that area, but it makes sense.

I really only know that area from the Skyway.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #43)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:37 PM

45. Yes, we used to be ignored and it was rather nice.


Musicians and artists from Chicago bought here because it was so cheap.

Then developers rushed in and McMansions are being built all over our cornfields and what is left of our prairies. Oh well, now they mock us a little less.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #39)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:29 PM

41. I don't know if I'd call Fort Wayne blue.



But it is a happening place with lots to do there, according to a relative who lives around there.

Then there's South Bend, Secretary Buttigieg's former stomping grounds.

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Response to shrike3 (Reply #41)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:37 PM

46. Oh, right. Liberal Catholicism.

I'd almost forgotten about it, coming from Cincy German Catholic culture.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #46)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:39 PM

48. Social Justice Catholicism is not dead here.



A Catholic college near me requires a course in it to graduate.

I always regret that I never met Fr. Charles Hesburgh, who lived on campus even after he retired. I guess he told the most amazing stories.

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Response to shrike3 (Reply #48)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:55 PM

52. I never get that split

I feel like the focus where my family's diocese is always on Abortion.

I did a remodel of a convent for extremely liberal Catholic sisters a few years back; it was nice to see that kind of faith again.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #52)

Sun Feb 20, 2022, 05:33 PM

60. In the American church, the conservatives pushed back


the way Republicans did after the sixties. Lot of parallels.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 01:54 PM

37. You could not pay me to move to a red state or even a purple one.

Its bad enough I have to occasionally go visit my mom in Florida and she lives in highly D SFLA.

I have cousins who moved from Boston area to Austin to be closer to daughter and her family. They love Austin but the state politics have them pulling their hair out. They are now thinking of moving to SF Bay Area where other kid and family live.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:10 PM

38. This has been happening for decades.

I left Cincinnati in the 90s. I couldn't wait to escape Conservative White German Catholic culture, and I wasn't the only young person leaving, either.

Since I've left, Cincinnati has sorted itself out - a liberal core in the city itself and trumpist periphery.

Ohio, meantime, has gerrymandered itself into a blood-red Trumpist hellscape.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:45 PM

50. These trumpers ought to be careful where they move in Texas.

Not everywhere is like the truck stop in the boonies this woman thought was so wonderful. They would not be real comfortable in this DFW neighborhood.

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