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Thu Feb 24, 2022, 08:38 AM

I am going to bash every thread with a fury

that talks about what president Biden did wrong, that talks about the consequences we have to deal with in the United States, that does not lay the blame for this war crime squarely on Putin.

I am not afraid to take hides.

Tie Putin to Trump and the Republican party and I will join in. If you mention president Biden I am going to be scrutinizing your post.

We must all bash Putin, he invaded a sovereign nation to take away its freedom.

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Reply I am going to bash every thread with a fury (Original post)
gab13by13 Feb 2022 OP
USALiberal Feb 2022 #1
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #4
Baitball Blogger Feb 2022 #35
ancianita Feb 2022 #99
DUar17 Feb 2022 #108
wnylib Feb 2022 #110
SCantiGOP Feb 2022 #65
hlthe2b Feb 2022 #2
SergeStorms Feb 2022 #3
we can do it Feb 2022 #5
niyad Feb 2022 #21
sop Feb 2022 #55
niyad Feb 2022 #61
IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #24
Treefrog Feb 2022 #63
IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #114
Farmer-Rick Feb 2022 #32
3catwoman3 Feb 2022 #98
TNNurse Feb 2022 #6
cos dem Feb 2022 #33
Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #7
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #10
cos dem Feb 2022 #36
Escurumbele Feb 2022 #47
Codifer Feb 2022 #64
Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2022 #120
Codifer Feb 2022 #124
Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2022 #126
cos dem Feb 2022 #79
Escurumbele Feb 2022 #93
BlueJac Feb 2022 #8
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #11
unweird Feb 2022 #16
Raster Feb 2022 #49
Escurumbele Feb 2022 #50
Raster Feb 2022 #51
stopdiggin Feb 2022 #9
Karma13612 Feb 2022 #121
stopdiggin Feb 2022 #123
Karma13612 Feb 2022 #127
Sherman A1 Feb 2022 #12
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #18
Sherman A1 Feb 2022 #27
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #40
Sherman A1 Feb 2022 #59
Mr. Ected Feb 2022 #13
mrsadm Feb 2022 #20
2naSalit Feb 2022 #22
jaxexpat Feb 2022 #14
2naSalit Feb 2022 #25
uponit7771 Feb 2022 #15
IronLionZion Feb 2022 #17
Septua Feb 2022 #19
IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #23
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #29
IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #34
The Mouth Feb 2022 #90
Paladin Feb 2022 #26
elias7 Feb 2022 #28
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #30
calimary Feb 2022 #118
Karma13612 Feb 2022 #122
calimary Feb 2022 #125
Karma13612 Feb 2022 #128
dawn5651 Feb 2022 #31
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #37
c-rational Feb 2022 #67
I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2022 #116
PufPuf23 Feb 2022 #129
BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #38
AverageOldGuy Feb 2022 #39
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #45
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gab13by13 Feb 2022 #53
Paladin Feb 2022 #71
RobinA Feb 2022 #86
doc03 Feb 2022 #74
Mr.Bill Feb 2022 #103
NBachers Feb 2022 #102
Ohio Joe Feb 2022 #41
Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2022 #42
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #52
Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2022 #54
lees1975 Feb 2022 #43
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #56
doc03 Feb 2022 #44
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #57
doc03 Feb 2022 #75
Hortensis Feb 2022 #78
Escurumbele Feb 2022 #46
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #60
Escurumbele Feb 2022 #91
doc03 Feb 2022 #80
Escurumbele Feb 2022 #94
doc03 Feb 2022 #95
Escurumbele Feb 2022 #97
hamsterjill Feb 2022 #58
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #68
hamsterjill Feb 2022 #73
Treefrog Feb 2022 #62
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #70
Treefrog Feb 2022 #72
Autumn Feb 2022 #66
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #76
Autumn Feb 2022 #77
BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #88
Sympthsical Feb 2022 #82
Autumn Feb 2022 #83
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Autumn Feb 2022 #85
BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #87
Autumn Feb 2022 #92
BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #96
displacedtexan Feb 2022 #69
iemanja Feb 2022 #112
Hortensis Feb 2022 #81
Caliman73 Feb 2022 #89
NBachers Feb 2022 #100
Skittles Feb 2022 #109
paulkienitz Feb 2022 #101
SouthernDem4ever Feb 2022 #104
artemisia1 Feb 2022 #105
geardaddy Feb 2022 #106
DENVERPOPS Feb 2022 #107
TeamProg Feb 2022 #111
smirkymonkey Feb 2022 #113
TFRD Feb 2022 #115
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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 08:39 AM

1. Calm down! Nt

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Response to USALiberal (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 08:48 AM

4. One of the main reasons that Putin invaded Ukraine was to damage president Biden

and Democrats. Putin helped Trump in 2016 but failed, he is trying to give the GQP control in 2022 and Trump or a Trump clone control in 2024, then our democracy is finished. Now is not the time to calm down. We must lay the blame for this war squarely on Putin, do you trust our MSM do to that?

I fucking guarantee you that our MSM is going to attack our president over this war.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:26 AM

35. Good observations.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 05:44 PM

99. AMEN! I'm with you. Trumputin have used Ukraine as a cudgel with media help.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 08:21 PM

108. When I heard the news this AM, I thought the exact same thing.

and just wait... someone will call it "Biden's war"

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 08:46 PM

110. Agree that the entire invasion is Putin's doing

maybe with some help from top secrets delivered to him by Trump.

But I really think that Putin has his own "main reasons" besides damaging the US and Democrats. He wants to restore the former Soviet satellites to Russan rule.

i

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Response to USALiberal (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:27 AM

65. Sounds like too much coffee this morning

😵‍💫

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 08:42 AM

2. Ditto.

and I will alert on every OP that intentionally propagates RW talking points that defend Putin and Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 08:43 AM

3. You have me convinced.

I'm not looking for a fight with anyone. Carry on.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 08:49 AM

5. And May I add fuck tulsi gabbard.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:06 AM

21. Is that nitwit still talking?

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Response to niyad (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:05 AM

55. "Tulsi Gabbard to Speak at CPAC"

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Response to sop (Reply #55)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:14 AM

61. Ugh. Thank you for the information.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:12 AM

24. Fuck Tulsi Gabbard...

Last edited Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:22 PM - Edit history (1)

I can't believe some of us actually thought there was anything progressive about this crazy-ass Nazi.

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Response to IngridsLittleAngel (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:15 AM

63. Lovely.

Couldn't you find some way to insult her without using violent sexual imagery?

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Response to Treefrog (Reply #63)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:24 PM

114. Sorry...

The joys of posting while drunk, upset and freaked out. It's been edited.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:22 AM

32. As if all Shorty Putin wanted

Was for someone to listen to his feelings.

He doesn't have enough 20 something mistresses hidden in confiscated castles to listen to his feelings?

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Response to we can do it (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 05:15 PM

98. "And may I add, fuck Tulsi Gabbard."

You certainly may.

I'll second that.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 09:01 AM

6. I just told my husband

that the first person I hear saying "Well, he was afraid to do this while Trump was in office..." is going to wish they had not said it near me.

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Response to TNNurse (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:24 AM

33. He thought he wouldn't have to

A second term of orange Hitler would have probably seen the US ignore it.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 09:01 AM

7. Putin has really miscalculated on this. He is fucked. And Joe has done everything

exactly right on this.

The problem is, there will be a period of terrible suffering because of the psychosis shared by tfg and putin, one which needs to hoard money and power because of their knowledge of their own huge inadequacies.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 09:17 AM

10. What you say is what should happen,

but I'm sure you read 1984, where up is down, and good is evil. Our MSM is owned and managed by American oligarchs and they will go after president Biden of this I am certain.

We need to tie Putin to Trump and the Republican party, give Bowtie boy a soap box where he can sing Putin's praises.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:27 AM

36. I remember reading 1984 and thinking, that would never happen in the US.

Fuck was I wrong! Cult of Trump party thinks it’s a fucking how-to manual.

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Response to cos dem (Reply #36)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:52 AM

47. Read "It Can't Happen Here", that will alarm you even more because some of it IS happening

Sinclair Lewis wrote it in 1935, and he predicted trump-the-buffoon, and all the horrors that came with him.

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #47)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:20 AM

64. I remember.

His great quote.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a bible."


..... and it was.

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Response to Codifer (Reply #64)

Fri Feb 25, 2022, 07:29 AM

120. It's a great quote, but apparently Lewis

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #120)

Fri Feb 25, 2022, 01:12 PM

124. Yes.

Thank you for the link. The research of the origin and references was fascinating.

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Response to Codifer (Reply #124)

Fri Feb 25, 2022, 02:30 PM

126. I agree. They do a great job on that site!

I don't think I'd ever used it before. I learned a lot. I wonder if I'll remember any of it!

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #47)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:07 PM

79. Thanks for reminding me. I'm aware of "It Can't Happen Here" but I haven't got around to reading it.

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Response to cos dem (Reply #79)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 02:51 PM

93. Sinclair Lewis was a very good writer and a visionary, another of his books, "Arrowsmith" is also

very good, there is a page when something happens and I went "shit, many in the medical industry have always been the same, hungry for money and doing the wrong things to make sure the money keeps flowing."

And if you have kids, make sure they also read "It Can't Happen Here", people need to understand that it can definitely happen here.

I have Venezuelan friends who were warned about Hugo Chavez and the totalitarian regime he was planning for the country, although disguised as "Socialism/Communism", but people always said the same thing..."Communism in Venezuela? It Can't Happen Here", but it did. We need to understand that it can also happen in our USA.

Something to understand is that "Socialism" doesn't exist, it is just a door to lure the masses to then turn the regime into "Communism" which at the end of the day is nothing but a dictatorship with populist rhetoric, but it has the same flavours as dictatorships/totalitarian regimes, which include corruption, torture to enemies, suppression of the press, people disappearing, opponents killed, the ones in power enriching themselves while people outside of power becoming poorer by the day, the economy down the tubes, infrastructure crumbling because all the money is being pocketed by those in power, and that is what republicans are seeking, reason why the young need to read books like that one, and "1984" as well. It is so obvious that republicans even use quotes from "1984", GW Bush used "War is Peace" during his stunt at the presidency, I painted a hippy with guns, chaos behind him while he was doing the peace sign with his hand, total opposites.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 09:16 AM

8. Go get them...

I support your effort!

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Response to BlueJac (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 09:18 AM

11. I took a time out

to put a roast in the slow cooker, I'm ready now, where are those Putin appeasers?

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 09:35 AM

16. Facebook

Has all the bullshit trolls with daddy issues out in force.

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Response to unweird (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:55 AM

49. Facebook is a Putin accomplice and one of the reasons we were saddled with tRump!

#ZucktheFuck is a sociopath little prick that needs to meet his comeuppance in the worst way. Farcebook conspired with Russia, Cambridge Analytica and Russian dark opps to spread EXTREMELY WELL TARGETED disinformation to the least informed but most susceptible to radicalization.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:56 AM

50. The Putin appeasers are not at DU, they are in Fox, and other republican places, but...

I applaud your enthusiasm although I think you are going a bit stream. We MUST discuss what Biden does right, what he does wrong, and what he could have done, otherwise we become part of a cult where we "see nothing, hear nothing and say nothing", that is not the Democratic way.

See my post at the end and you can read what i believe the USA and Europe should have done to prevent the massacre that FSOB Putin is willing to commit, and it seems has already started.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:56 AM

51. And for the record, I am PROUD AS HELL of the decisive actions taken by President Biden.

And also for the record, I am FUCKING DISGUSTED at the GOP/Russia sycophants.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 09:17 AM

9. to date, have seen little in the way of bashing on Biden

Have seen some (unfortunate) 'whataboutism' regarding a U.S. warmongering and imperialist (their words) history.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 25, 2022, 07:57 AM

121. Yea, my husband among them.

He said we are hypocritical for criticizing Putin’s attack on Ukraine under ‘false pretenses’ just like the US in Iraq due to “WMD” claim.

That just isn’t helpful right now.

This is a righteous cause regarding Putin. Putin needs to be stopped.


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Response to Karma13612 (Reply #121)

Fri Feb 25, 2022, 09:17 AM

123. tunnel vision

go easy on him. you can probably let him back into the house sometime today. the garage is cold - and he (probably) realizes what he did was wrong ...
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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #123)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:32 AM

127. Hahaha!!! Eom

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 09:23 AM

12. Good for you

If it makes you feel better, have at it……..

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 09:52 AM

18. People underestimate the power of the narrative,

The MSM is not our friend, we need critical thinking. I failed in my attempt to convince people that a fence is not a wall, but I keep trying.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:17 AM

27. People overestimate the power of internet discussion boards

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:41 AM

40. I'm sure they do,

but every long journey begins with the 1st step.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #40)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:10 AM

59. Like I said,

if it makes you feel better..............

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 09:24 AM

13. Putin did this in concert with the RNC and Trump

Trump fed him intel every single day of his presidency. The idea being, Putin good, Democrats bad.

Biden is exactly the President we need in office right now. There is absolutely no question about that.

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Response to Mr. Ected (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:05 AM

20. You are so right!

I'm sure TFG fed Putin intel every day. Dictator buddies.

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Response to Mr. Ected (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:11 AM

22. Exactly.

President Biden has been involved in keeping the peace and assisting former soviet countries as they transitioned for a long time. He KNOWS all the players and has for a long time. His work as a Senator should be noted here, he was quiet but got a lot of good work done, we only heard about his mistakes during the election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden#U.S._Senate_(1973%E2%80%932009)

President Biden is also no war monger and will go to the mat to avoid it. He really is a genuine peacekeeper.

I don't think any of the candidates of 2020 could compare in this area of needed institutional knowledge.

I am comforted that we have the president we have right now, I hope we go forward on such a path as we have begun, directed at bettering life on earth rather than destroy it. At least some of us, that is.

I am not looking forward to the rest of this year but I think the new potential big war is going to help redirect a lot of people, possibly even a lot of rumpers.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 09:28 AM

14. The best way to support democracy is, at this point, be ever more careful when reading or listening.

We've seen spin become full-blown propaganda in the last 5 years. It is incumbent on us to seek the factual among the coming onslaught of lies. It is more important than ever to base our thoughts on logic instead of reacting to "feelings", to be diligent against those who would have us march in their parades of emotion. We can no longer afford the luxury of emersion in "feel-good" folly nor succumb to numbing fatalism.

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Response to jaxexpat (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:13 AM

25. +1!

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 09:30 AM

15. K&R, ***BINGO!!!*** This is EXACTLY what the DNC should be messaging hard !!

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 09:36 AM

17. Trump weakened NATO and emboldened Putin

it's mostly freepers bashing Biden but can't say what he did.

Maybe Biden's inflation is causing this war because he likes high gas/oil prices.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 09:53 AM

19. Putin has already been tied to Trump on numerous occasions.

Only the Retrumplicans will try to blame Joe.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-russia-putin/2020/10/24/4edb462e-13bb-11eb-ba42-ec6a580836ed_story.html

Russia’s longtime aim has been to undermine trust in democratic systems of government around the world, and the United States with Trump at the helm has proved an ideal model to advance that goal.

“This president has been the most extraordinary gift to the Kremlin,” said Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. “Across every field, in terms of America’s standing in the world, in terms of America’s cohesion at home, no president has done more to damage the United States or to advantage the Kremlin than Donald Trump. That will be his lasting legacy.”


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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:11 AM

23. I stand with you.

There was no do that, or do this, or "do it right"... No matter what Biden did, no matter what choice he made, Putin was going to do this. Putin wanted this, he was going to launch this attack. The nightmare we're watching unfold right now is on one person, and one person only... Vladimir Putin.

Putin did this. He was going to do this, come hell or high water. And he is the only fucking person who deserves to be blamed for this.

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Response to IngridsLittleAngel (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:19 AM

29. Well said,

If president Biden had put extreme sanctions on Russia in the beginning then Putin would have used that as an excuse to invade. The right wing traitors were pushing for that. President Biden can now go full bore into sanctions, nail the families of the Russian oligarchs, nail VTB bank, sanction Russia's fossil fuel exports. I will gladly pay more for gas to bring Putin and Trump down.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:25 AM

34. Exactly right...

Every possible choice Joe Biden could've made has this very outcome.. Because Putin has been drooling all over himself for months, if not years, dreaming of attacking Ukraine. Anyone wanting to point the finger at Biden is a fucking moron, because, Biden didn't attack Ukraine... Pooty Poot Putin did, and, he had his plan and excuses in place, and this date circled on his calendar.

Now, if any president should be blamed.. How about TFFG? What kind of classified info did Comrade Covfefe hand over to help make this possible?

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Response to IngridsLittleAngel (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 02:01 PM

90. Putin has wanted 'Ukraine back where it belongs'

since before he assumed power.

President Biden has done what he can, but we really have very little leverage outside of economic and providing support. Biden knew this.

We can make Russia hurt for this, but we can't stop it.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:15 AM

26. Bravo. Anybody wanting rabid, non-stop Biden-bashing can read the NY Times. (nt)

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:18 AM

28. Biden told the world over and over again what Putin was planning

People on the Right are merely oppositionalists. They cannot assess anything without the bias of "what position should we take that pwns the left" approach. Talk about sheep.

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Response to elias7 (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:21 AM

30. That's why we need to tie them to Putin.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 25, 2022, 01:54 AM

118. Yes. Tie them to Putin. From the Orange one all the way down to the lowest GOPer in the

smallest jurisdiction.

You stand against Biden? Then you're with PUTIN. There's NO wiggle-room. No middle of the road. NO "yes, but..." As the lyrics say... "Is you IS or is you AIN'T?"

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Response to calimary (Reply #118)

Fri Feb 25, 2022, 08:10 AM

122. Campaign ad graphic:

Left side of screen: Picture of Biden
Right side of screen: picture of Trump and Putin shaking hands

Underneath is the text:

Are you with Biden or are you with Them? Who do you want leading America?


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Response to Karma13612 (Reply #122)

Fri Feb 25, 2022, 01:48 PM

125. LOVE this!

You just made me think of those comparison shots - before and after a hurricane, flood, tornado, brushfire. Before/after shots side-by-side. And the visual moves. It can be the TV screen OR I think you can move the vertical dividing line from side to side - and go back and forth, moving the vertical divider so you can get a full screen of one side or the other to show the devastation in that spot. How it used to be (on the left side) and how it is now (on the right side).

In THIS case you move the vertical divider over two faces, so HALF of each face can be seen on both sides (trump’s is on the left, Vlad’s on the right). If you move the vertical divider from center all the way to the right, the trump face is seen in full. But slide the divider to the left and you get full-face Putin.

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Response to calimary (Reply #125)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:34 AM

128. Very clever!!!! Eom

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:22 AM

31. i lay this right at the door of the orange asshole and putin....

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:28 AM

37. Think about what president Biden did in the lead up to this war.

President Biden actually gave out classified information. Think about it. He not only kept our allies informed about what Putin was scheming, he kept the whole world informed, it was a brilliant move, not enough credit is given to him for doing this.

President Biden let the world know every move that Putin was going to make. President Biden exposed all of Putin's false flag operations, exposed all of his troop movements and the types of military equipment. By doing this the MSM was forced to report accurately on what Putin was doing.

I can't say this enough, it was a brilliant move by president Biden to release this classified information.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #37)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:31 AM

67. +1

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 25, 2022, 01:12 AM

116. Yep Biden was brilliant exposing

 

Pootys excuses Biden snatched every fig leaf pooty tried to hide his true motives under.

Brilliant President Biden.
I love that guy.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #37)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:14 AM

129. When Biden made statements on Russian activities, I thought Biden was blowing it and

I was totally wrong.

Agree with you that Biden took a brilliant and successful risk exposing Putin's intents.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:34 AM

38. "...that talks about what president Biden did wrong.."

Just what is it you think he did wrong?

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:40 AM

39. Well . . .

You write:

"We must all bash Putin, he invaded a sovereign nation to take away its freedom."

That is true.

It is also irrelevant.

What is relevant is the US and NATO response -- which was to stroke our beards, shake our heads disapprovingly, and threaten sanctions.

Sanctions are bullshit. Bullets are definitive.

A month or more ago, we should have:

1. Put a brigade of the 82d Airborne Division into Ukraine. Now, yes, I know airborne is light infantry and cannot withstand an armored attack. But, that signals Putin that if he wants Ukraine, he must come over us.

2. At the same time, we should have started moving the 1st Armored Division from Ft. Bliss to the port of Galveston and started loading tanks on ships. Ditto for the 3rd Mech Divisions at Ft Stewart GA, head them for the port at Savannah.

3. Declare a no-fly zone over Ukraine and enforce it with US airpower.

4. Put more than the normal number of ICBM-firing submarines on patrol.

5. Move B52 and B2 bombers to Europe along with nuclear weapons handling units.

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Response to AverageOldGuy (Reply #39)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:45 AM

45. In other words we should have geared up for WW III.

Maybe president Biden would have done as you suggest were Ukraine in NATO.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #48)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:03 AM

53. You are 100% wrong,

the fucking Republican party and Donald Trump are the Putin loving Neville Chamberlains. How dare you compare president Biden to Neville Chamberlain. What deal did president Biden make to allow Russia to take Ukraine.

What a pile of bullshit you posted, shameful. Trump, the GQP are Putin appeasers.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #53)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:36 AM

71. There are always those, more-than-willing to sacrifice U.S. lives in unworthy causes.

It's been around 5 decades since the Vietnam cluster-fuck. Must be time for another memorial wall in Washington D.C. The trump worshippers will do their best/worst to see that it happens---I wonder if present-day Democrats are smart enough and ruthless enough to use these circumstances to end trump's reign of stupidity and hatred, permanently. I'm not very optimistic about it happening.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #48)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:03 PM

86. Dominoes Again?

And you can't compare and contrast Churchill and Chamberlain. The inherited vastly different situations.

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Response to AverageOldGuy (Reply #39)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:45 AM

74. You do realize if the US and Russia get into a war whichever side is losing

will go nuclear as a last resort and the other will immediately retaliate.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #74)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 06:24 PM

103. So what do we do if Putin

invades a NATO country?

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Response to AverageOldGuy (Reply #39)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 05:56 PM

102. Russians and Americans engaged against each other on the battlefield lead to nuclear war.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:42 AM

41. Define... Irony

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:43 AM

42. I obviously don't know what Biden is currently doing nor what he is planning.

And I 100% blame the invasion on Putin.

But if you are telling me that we can't dislike what Biden is doing once it becomes clear what he's doing, then that's just insane. I don't have to like everything he does. I don't like everything he does. Did I vote for him? Of course. Will I vote for him again if he gets the nomination? Without a doubt. But I don't have to like everything he does. Nor do other Dems.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #42)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:59 AM

52. I am saying this;

Putin's #1 goal in invading Ukraine was to bring down president Biden and Democrats, with help from Trump, the GQP, and the MSM.

The United States is going to be affected by this war. Just the increases in gas prices will raise prices of everything. The stock market will be affected. Should we blame the effects of Putin's war that will happen here on president Biden? Should we discuss what president Biden could have done differently to avoid high gas prices? If you believe we should have a debate have at it, isn't that what Putin and the GQP wants to happen? If president Biden fucks up and it's obvious, I will condemn him too, but I'm not going to do arm chair quarterbacking doing what ifs.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #52)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:03 AM

54. I understand that things are Biden's fault, but your OP was a bit more broad than that. And Putin

didn't do it just to impact the US. He wants the Ukraine as part of Russia. Always has. He wants the sea ports. That's been a goal of Russia since Ukraine became independent.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:44 AM

43. That's the only way to get control of the narrative

and every blog post I write, and every thread in which I participate will be supportive of President Biden and the Democratic party. I especially give kudos to the best speaker of the house we've had in recent memory.

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Response to lees1975 (Reply #43)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:05 AM

56. Absolutely, she is the best.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:45 AM

44. I haven't seen any threads about what Biden did wrong nt

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Response to doc03 (Reply #44)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:07 AM

57. Check out reply #39.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #57)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:46 AM

75. I did what a f---g moron nt

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Response to doc03 (Reply #44)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:59 AM

78. Well, one was just pretty promptly removed in its entirety.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:50 AM

46. You can bash my post all you like, but I feel that more should have been done to help Ukraine

For example, two options:

Option 1. Have an emergency NATO meeting to bring Ukraine as a member.
Option 2. Biden to send 150,000 troops to Ukraine, Europe to complement with a minimum of 50,000 more troops
2.1 Send war gear and weapons
2.2 Send ships with long-range missiles to point at the 100s of tanks Putin has on the border.
2.3 Let the bully know they are ready to counter-attack

If any of these two had been done Russia would have backed up because he would have known he was going to loose. Nothing motivates a bully more than to know he can beat up on the little guy because no one is going to do anything about it, they will just look.

This invasion, in my opinion could have been prevented. A technicality that Ukraine is not part of NATO is International Stupidity at its best. You don't sit on the sides and allow the bully to murder innocent people, for what purpose.

As I said before -1 x -1 = 1...two wrongs, in this case, could have brought a positive outcome. To me it is insane that the World will allow this to happen and do nothing because a f^*&ing rule...Is Putin respecting any rules? Then the hell with him and we don't respect stupid technicalities that are already killing innocent people.

I am writing more because I read some of the posts where, rightly, the blame of much of this falls on the buffoon trump and republicans, but that was then, this is now. What could have been done to prevent what is happening? See the beginning of this post. We don't do anything dwelling on the guilty for this discussion, what are the solutions? Not that we have too much power here, but that needs to be the discussion.

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #46)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:12 AM

60. Ukraine doesn't qualify as a NATO member right now

Your other suggestions involve steps to start WW III.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #60)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 02:38 PM

91. You don't' seem to have read "Option 1". I understand Ukraine is not part of NATO, read option 1

"Your other suggestions involve steps to start WW III." - I don't think so, I believe it would have been a deterrent to WWIII and the invasion of Ukraine, Putin would have never began the invasion knowing their is an equal or better military waiting for him if he decides to do so. Putin is crazy, but he is not that crazy, if a WWIII got started Russia has the most to loose, it would be the World against Russia.

Allowing Putin to do what he is doing is worst for the World, for Biden because we all know republicans will jump on it, even though they have been kissing Putin's butt for a few years now and continue to do so, but their propaganda machine, and we have to admit, is very good.

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #46)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:07 PM

80. Gee I guess we should have made you president. Every diplomat and x general has said

Biden has played this just about right. Well unless you listen to Tucker or Trump I guess.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #80)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 02:59 PM

94. Nope, I don't listen to any of them, their site makes me puke, but when you are dealing with

a bully like Putin you need to go to extreme measures, now we are going to have innocent people killed, Putin may take over Ukraine and if so, what was accomplished?

Do you really believe Putin cares about sanctions, that his people may go hungry, that the Russian economy will hit bottom? No, he doesn't care, this is about him and his dream of someone somewhere talking about "Putin The Great"...I guess Newsmax already did that, but that is how he wants to be though of in history.

So...you have a bully? You have to hit him hard. He would have not invaded had the NATO countries done one of the two options I suggest.

I guess yes, you could have nominated me president for one week, I would have pushed those two options for NATO countries to decide on one, then I could go back home.

By the way, which Generals have agreed with Biden's decisions? I was not able to find any, but please provide, just curious.

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #94)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 03:19 PM

95. Do you forget he is a mad man that could destroy the

entire earth in about 15 minutes. Sounds like you alone are the only one that could save us. Where have I heard that before?

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Response to doc03 (Reply #95)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 03:40 PM

97. Can you maintain a conversation without sarcasm, just a civil conversation? Bring good arguments

with substance instead of the sarcasm.

No one is that crazy to think that blowing up the planet would be good for them, that because he is Putin the entire planet will die but he will remain intact, he is not that crazy, he loves his money, he loves his opulent life.

I am not pretending that I am the only one who can save us, never said that, if I thought so I would not be sharing my opinion in DU, I would be hard at work saving the World. I don't know, where have you heard it before? It sure was not from me, but maybe from someone you like to listen to?

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:09 AM

58. Don't threaten. Please.

Let people post. This is a discussion board and we discuss things. I don't know about everyone else here, but I don't take kindly to someone threatening to bash threads. You don't like the threads? Skip them. Seriously, who put you in charge of what can and cannot be posted?

I agree as to Putin, but I've not seen anything on DU that has been flattering to him.

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #58)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:33 AM

68. Really?

We had a thread that backed Putin's rationale for invading Ukraine, that he was eradicating Nazis. Full of photos of neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

The poster of that thread must not know that the president of Ukraine, Zelensy, is Jewish. It doesn't get any more blatant than that.

I want you to know that I have never ever hit the alert button on anyone here. Anyone is free to post whatever he/she likes, I have zero business stopping anyone from posting.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #68)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:41 AM

73. Please provide a link to that thread.

I didn’t see it. Not everyone reads every thread.

Good to know that you aren’t an overzealous alerted, but I was still put off by the tone of your post.

I don’t alert either. I either post or skip.

Have a great day.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:14 AM

62. I think we all know Putin is to blame.

But this is a discussion board, and people have the right to express their views.

You can set yourself up to be some kind of moderator, but it will still be decided by the usual system.

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Response to Treefrog (Reply #62)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:35 AM

70. See my post directly above yours.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #70)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:36 AM

72. I saw your OP, and that's what I responded to.

Quite different.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:30 AM

66. I think Joe will do what's right. Did you buy DU? If not you should allow people to

discuss the situation without your little rules. Maybe you should use key words to hide discussions that you can't handle.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #66)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:47 AM

76. You miss my point,

and I never said people cannot post. I never ever alerted on anyone. I set no rules for anyone. I simply want to emphasize that the GQP and yes the MSM are going to blame president Biden for the effects of Putin's war. I sincerely believe that Putin's #1 goal in invading Ukraine was to weaken president Biden and Democrats, his secondary goal was to destroy democracy in Ukraine. I will not apologize for emphasizing my opinion.

We had a thread here that backed up Putin's rationale for invading Ukraine, to rid the country of Neo-Nazis, with numerous photos of neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

President Zelensky is Jewish. I didn't alert on the thread, I bashed it, is that acceptable?

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #76)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:55 AM

77. I don't miss your point at all.

You should have alerted that OP. That's how the system here that the admins put in place works. To put it simply you only want discussion to be what you want. Nothing said or posted here is going to weaken president Biden and Democrats. Nothing posted here is going to embolden Putin. It's a discussion board with no bearing on anything in real life.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #77)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:15 PM

88. This. nt

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Response to Autumn (Reply #66)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:10 PM

82. I will do the bare minimum in the face of war

After making coffee this morning, I forewent a piece of toast. No, I thought. There are people war torn and hungry. I cannot have this toast, for toast is a privilege others are not sharing in this morning.

Anyone else who has toast?

You're on my list.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #82)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:13 PM

83. I had an english muffin. Had I known I would have forgone the peach jam on it.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #83)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:21 PM

84. Sigh

Fine. A warning.

You should not use jams with fruits related to Georgia. Parts of Georgia are occupied by Russia.

You must watch what you say you eat now.

Leave the Putin Peaches in the fridge.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #84)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:30 PM

85. I will do better. I will thow the Putin Peach jam in the trash and have a dry English muffin

tomorrow.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #84)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:14 PM

87. Lol!

Well done.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #87)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 02:43 PM

92. That poster made the point about this better than anyone ever could.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #92)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 03:28 PM

96. Yes!

That was excellent.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:35 AM

69. It's actually worse.

Yesterday, FOX announced that Putin attacking Ukraine was all because of (you guessed it) Benghazi.

They really can get crazier and more dangerous!

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Response to displacedtexan (Reply #69)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:47 PM

112. no way

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:07 PM

81. Whatever, but don't forget "constructive criticism" is specifically encouraged.

Needless to say, deceits and posts spreading subversive influence narratives are not constructive. But even "unconstructive" negativism can be useful for thoughtful and informative responses they elicit from other DUers. Posts that are definitely out of line get alerted for jury and hopefully removed.

That's the monitoring we need. If "with a fury" means a fury of pertinent information, great.



From the TOS: Democratic Underground is an online community for friendly, politically liberal people who understand the importance of working together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. Constructive criticism of Democratic politicians, party officials, and public figures is welcome and encouraged, but we expect our members to follow our forum rules and participate in a manner which promotes a positive atmosphere.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #81)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:42 PM

89. Agreed.

I do not generally like "slippery slope" arguments, but there becomes a situation where any criticism, valid or not, can be classified by some as being disloyal. One of the things that separates us from Conservatives, is the ability to call out our own and have discussion about disagreements with decisions and policies. Republicans are usually in lock step. We have seen with Kinzinger and Cheney, what happens when you dissent from the party line.

We do not want to become the other side of that coin. I understand the desire to push back against bad faith arguments, but I think that this happens rarely on DU, and it is usually fairly easy to spot.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 05:47 PM

100. You can start with the "It's Obama's fault" posts here:

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Response to NBachers (Reply #100)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 08:36 PM

109. no one is saying it is his fault

they are saying he could have done more

he also let BUSH INC completely off the hook for lying their way into a war

AND he kicked the Afghanistan can down the road

stop acting like he is a saint

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 05:50 PM

101. Putin's empire-conquering mindset is no different from that of some Bronze Age king

who glorifies his statue of a god by trying to enslave as many neighbors as possible.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 06:47 PM

104. Trump definitely is to blame for helping Russia hurt Ukraine

in all his actions while he occupied the white house - and when he was caught doing things illegally, very few republican senators voted to impeach him. I hold those senators responsible as well.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 06:50 PM

105. President Biden certainly called the likelihood of invasion right. Good for him. NO bash here. /nt

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 07:16 PM

106. Solidarity with you!

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 08:07 PM

107. Fair enough GAB Nc

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:46 PM

111. I honestly haven't come across a single Biden 'dis' here at DU, so I'm not sure what you are talking

about. Perhaps you can copy / paste one of them as an example?


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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:04 PM

113. K&R

 

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:51 PM

115. I agree, may our voice unite the deafening drum beat of peace!

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Feb 25, 2022, 01:32 AM

117. This will end with Putin's

people turning against him. I mean people close to him. And I think Biden knows it.

The only question is when.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Feb 25, 2022, 04:39 AM

119. I am pretty sure you won't get many people not agreeing with your assessment.

So don't go off the rails here. Save it for places where it counts.

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