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Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:22 PM

Would NATO intervene if Putin triggers article 5 by invading a NATO country

or will there be some advocating for not doing so in fears of triggering ww3/ nuclear war ?

If that's the case Putin holds all the cards and there is nothing that can be done.

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Reply Would NATO intervene if Putin triggers article 5 by invading a NATO country (Original post)
drray23 Mar 2022 OP
Lovie777 Mar 2022 #1
PoliticAverse Mar 2022 #2
cloudbase Mar 2022 #3
tavernier Mar 2022 #4
marie999 Mar 2022 #5
Budi Mar 2022 #6
PortTack Mar 2022 #7
Ocelot II Mar 2022 #8
MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #9
AngryOldDem Mar 2022 #10
andym Mar 2022 #11
kairos12 Mar 2022 #12
David__77 Mar 2022 #13
dpibel Mar 2022 #14
drray23 Mar 2022 #18
dpibel Mar 2022 #22
drray23 Mar 2022 #23
SoonerPride Mar 2022 #15
FakeNoose Mar 2022 #17
lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #16
Dan Mar 2022 #19
peggysue2 Mar 2022 #20
drray23 Mar 2022 #21
peggysue2 Mar 2022 #24

Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:24 PM

1. Yes . .....

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:24 PM

2. Let's hope we don't need to find out. n/t

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:25 PM

3. Yes.

No doubt about it.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:25 PM

4. If Biden is still the president, he would incinerate the invaders.

If Trump is the president, he would help Putin.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:25 PM

5. NATO has to intervene. If NATO does not intervene, then NATO might as well disband

and let Putin have his Soviet Union back.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:27 PM

6. Of course. That's why NATO exists.

 

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:28 PM

7. NATO and all democracies will respond. He has to be stopped

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:32 PM

8. That's what NATO was created for in the first place.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:34 PM

9. Of course.

Pres. Biden has made that crystal clear in the bluntest terms possible without resorting to profanity.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:35 PM

10. Yes! That's the whole point of Article 5.

But I think the intervention should be now. All these resolutions, sanctions, etc., are not saving Ukranians. Putin is not going to stop. How high do we set the civilian body count?

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:35 PM

11. Yes- there would be no choice. NT.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:44 PM

12. They sure would.

Putin's 40 mile long convoy would be wiped out.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:44 PM

13. The US said it would intervene under such a scenario.

The US also indicated not doing so with the war in Ukraine.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:48 PM

14. Two very different questions

Absent something extraordinary, which I cannot imagine, of course NATO will collectively defend a NATO member from attack.

Of course there will "be some advocating for not doing so," if by that you mean citizens and probably even politicians. There are Russians protesting the invasion. There were millions of Americans who protested the invasion of Iraq. Those protests had (and, so far as the present invasion is concerned, are having) no effect.

So I'm not quite sure what you're really asking with your compound question. If you're asking whether some single NATO member has veto power over NATO action, I'm pretty sure the answer is no.

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Response to dpibel (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:59 PM

18. Treaties are often broken.

For example in 1994 we (United States) along with Russia and Britain signed an agreement with Ukraine that we would guarantee their security if they gave up their nuclear weapons post ussr breakup. They did and yet we are where we are today.

I hope NATO has enough resolve that it does not happen.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 04:34 PM

22. You do know that not all agreements are treaties?

And it really makes a difference.

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Response to dpibel (Reply #22)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 04:35 PM

23. yes I do know that.

and I'm hoping that Putin does not try to test NATO's resolve.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:53 PM

15. Yes. If Russia sets foot in or bombs a NATO member then every member country is at war

And Russia knows it.

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:58 PM

17. This



There's no question - YES we would intervene and so would every other NATO country. That's why we have a NATO alliance - for mutual defense. If any NATO country gets attacked we are all pledged to come to their defense.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 02:54 PM

16. That is the exact and only function of NATO.

Failure to do so would void the warrantee.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 03:05 PM

19. We have no choice!

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 03:14 PM

20. That's the whole point of NATO and article 5

When one is attacked, we're all attacked. It's there as a deterrent but means absolutely nothing if we're not prepared to act once a violation occurs.

Yes, it could trigger something far more devastating. But that's where we are.

Putin's only card if he draws outside the lines? Global annihilation.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 03:48 PM

21. what you are writing is exactly what I was getting at.

Do we have enough resolve to act if article 5 is triggered ? I know it was announced forcefully but it would not be the first time treaties are broken.
As it stands it's up to Putin to decide if he wants to escalate by attacking a NATO country. I hope he has not made the calculation NATO would chicken out.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 2, 2022, 04:58 PM

24. I fear you may be exactly right on Putin's miscalculation

Although he's had a comeuppance with Ukraine's fearless, defiant resistance. The best we can hope for is that Putin finds an off-ramp or that his own people demand a cessation. Before he turns Ukraine to dust, that is, or flails around with a retaliatory strike against one of the NATO border countries.

True too that treaties have been broken throughout history but this one either stands or the Western Alliance falls apart.

Of course, if he were to go nuclear we all fall apart.

It's a punishing box for everyone. No easy answers but I'm certainly grateful we have sound minds in DC.

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