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drray23

(7,711 posts)
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 03:22 PM Mar 2022

Would NATO intervene if Putin triggers article 5 by invading a NATO country

or will there be some advocating for not doing so in fears of triggering ww3/ nuclear war ?

If that's the case Putin holds all the cards and there is nothing that can be done.

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Would NATO intervene if Putin triggers article 5 by invading a NATO country (Original Post) drray23 Mar 2022 OP
Yes . ..... Lovie777 Mar 2022 #1
Let's hope we don't need to find out. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2022 #2
Yes. cloudbase Mar 2022 #3
If Biden is still the president, he would incinerate the invaders. tavernier Mar 2022 #4
NATO has to intervene. If NATO does not intervene, then NATO might as well disband marie999 Mar 2022 #5
Of course. That's why NATO exists. Budi Mar 2022 #6
NATO and all democracies will respond. He has to be stopped PortTack Mar 2022 #7
That's what NATO was created for in the first place. Ocelot II Mar 2022 #8
Of course. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #9
Yes! That's the whole point of Article 5. AngryOldDem Mar 2022 #10
Yes- there would be no choice. NT. andym Mar 2022 #11
They sure would. kairos12 Mar 2022 #12
The US said it would intervene under such a scenario. David__77 Mar 2022 #13
Two very different questions dpibel Mar 2022 #14
Treaties are often broken. drray23 Mar 2022 #18
You do know that not all agreements are treaties? dpibel Mar 2022 #22
yes I do know that. drray23 Mar 2022 #23
Yes. If Russia sets foot in or bombs a NATO member then every member country is at war SoonerPride Mar 2022 #15
This FakeNoose Mar 2022 #17
That is the exact and only function of NATO. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #16
We have no choice! Dan Mar 2022 #19
That's the whole point of NATO and article 5 peggysue2 Mar 2022 #20
what you are writing is exactly what I was getting at. drray23 Mar 2022 #21
I fear you may be exactly right on Putin's miscalculation peggysue2 Mar 2022 #24

tavernier

(12,643 posts)
4. If Biden is still the president, he would incinerate the invaders.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 03:25 PM
Mar 2022

If Trump is the president, he would help Putin.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
5. NATO has to intervene. If NATO does not intervene, then NATO might as well disband
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 03:25 PM
Mar 2022

and let Putin have his Soviet Union back.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,979 posts)
9. Of course.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 03:34 PM
Mar 2022

Pres. Biden has made that crystal clear in the bluntest terms possible without resorting to profanity.

AngryOldDem

(14,099 posts)
10. Yes! That's the whole point of Article 5.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 03:35 PM
Mar 2022

But I think the intervention should be now. All these resolutions, sanctions, etc., are not saving Ukranians. Putin is not going to stop. How high do we set the civilian body count?

David__77

(23,820 posts)
13. The US said it would intervene under such a scenario.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 03:44 PM
Mar 2022

The US also indicated not doing so with the war in Ukraine.

dpibel

(3,020 posts)
14. Two very different questions
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 03:48 PM
Mar 2022

Absent something extraordinary, which I cannot imagine, of course NATO will collectively defend a NATO member from attack.

Of course there will "be some advocating for not doing so," if by that you mean citizens and probably even politicians. There are Russians protesting the invasion. There were millions of Americans who protested the invasion of Iraq. Those protests had (and, so far as the present invasion is concerned, are having) no effect.

So I'm not quite sure what you're really asking with your compound question. If you're asking whether some single NATO member has veto power over NATO action, I'm pretty sure the answer is no.

drray23

(7,711 posts)
18. Treaties are often broken.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 03:59 PM
Mar 2022

For example in 1994 we (United States) along with Russia and Britain signed an agreement with Ukraine that we would guarantee their security if they gave up their nuclear weapons post ussr breakup. They did and yet we are where we are today.

I hope NATO has enough resolve that it does not happen.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
15. Yes. If Russia sets foot in or bombs a NATO member then every member country is at war
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 03:53 PM
Mar 2022

And Russia knows it.

FakeNoose

(33,966 posts)
17. This
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 03:58 PM
Mar 2022


There's no question - YES we would intervene and so would every other NATO country. That's why we have a NATO alliance - for mutual defense. If any NATO country gets attacked we are all pledged to come to their defense.

peggysue2

(11,109 posts)
20. That's the whole point of NATO and article 5
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 04:14 PM
Mar 2022

When one is attacked, we're all attacked. It's there as a deterrent but means absolutely nothing if we're not prepared to act once a violation occurs.

Yes, it could trigger something far more devastating. But that's where we are.

Putin's only card if he draws outside the lines? Global annihilation.

drray23

(7,711 posts)
21. what you are writing is exactly what I was getting at.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 04:48 PM
Mar 2022

Do we have enough resolve to act if article 5 is triggered ? I know it was announced forcefully but it would not be the first time treaties are broken.
As it stands it's up to Putin to decide if he wants to escalate by attacking a NATO country. I hope he has not made the calculation NATO would chicken out.

peggysue2

(11,109 posts)
24. I fear you may be exactly right on Putin's miscalculation
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 05:58 PM
Mar 2022

Although he's had a comeuppance with Ukraine's fearless, defiant resistance. The best we can hope for is that Putin finds an off-ramp or that his own people demand a cessation. Before he turns Ukraine to dust, that is, or flails around with a retaliatory strike against one of the NATO border countries.

True too that treaties have been broken throughout history but this one either stands or the Western Alliance falls apart.

Of course, if he were to go nuclear we all fall apart.

It's a punishing box for everyone. No easy answers but I'm certainly grateful we have sound minds in DC.

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