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Mon Mar 7, 2022, 05:10 PM

If Russians Don't Believe What Is Happening In Ukraine...It's Because They Don't Want To

Just like the MAGATs in this country. It's an inconvenient truth aided and abetted by a willing/willful ignorance.

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Reply If Russians Don't Believe What Is Happening In Ukraine...It's Because They Don't Want To (Original post)
Me. Mar 2022 OP
Skittles Mar 2022 #1
Me. Mar 2022 #4
Skittles Mar 2022 #5
ProudMNDemocrat Mar 2022 #10
sheshe2 Mar 2022 #2
onecaliberal Mar 2022 #3
paleotn Mar 2022 #6
Chainfire Mar 2022 #9
JohnSJ Mar 2022 #7
Yorkie Mom Mar 2022 #8
Biophilic Mar 2022 #11
Me. Mar 2022 #15
Martin68 Mar 2022 #12
Doodley Mar 2022 #13
Me. Mar 2022 #14
Doodley Mar 2022 #17
Me. Mar 2022 #19
Doodley Mar 2022 #25
Me. Mar 2022 #26
uponit7771 Mar 2022 #18
JI7 Mar 2022 #16
radius777 Mar 2022 #20
UTUSN Mar 2022 #21
Meowmee Mar 2022 #22
rockfordfile Mar 2022 #23
Me. Mar 2022 #24
kentuck Mar 2022 #27

Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 05:14 PM

1. please, it's MAGAts

actual maggots serve an actual real important purpose on earth

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Response to Skittles (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 05:16 PM

4. You're Quite Right

and will change however, I must be truthful and say whenever my mind thinks of them I think of maggots.

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Response to Me. (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 05:21 PM

5. ...

I remember reading about how the earth would be if maggots did not exist, and it was very unpleasant indeed.....but we all know it would be the exact opposite without MAGAts. Yes indeed.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 05:45 PM

10. They clean the ROTTEN things out.

Part of the breakdown of organic matter, which we all are.

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 05:14 PM

2. Spot on analysis.

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 05:14 PM

3. Yup. Or they agree.

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 05:23 PM

6. If they're like their parents, grandparents or older sibs...

They don't believe a damn thing their government tells them. Accessing news from the free world (haven't used that terminology in a while) is probably a cottage industry in Russia once again.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 05:33 PM

9. They know. They have to know.

It is no different here. If Trump had attacked Canada, he would have had a cheering section of millions. The rightwing news sites would be aglow with flag waving and guest generals talking about the mighty victories. Pictures of the Quebec telephone exchange disappearing in a flash of light and a puff of smoke would have brought tears of joy to eyes. War only becomes unpopular when you know that you are losing and that you have been lied to.

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 05:30 PM

7. Just like many Germans did believe the nazis were systematically sending Jews to the death camps

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 05:32 PM

8. Propaganda is a hellave drug,

and I'll bet that's all they are getting at this point.

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 05:58 PM

11. It is sooo much easier to believe what we want to believe, especially if the truth

is painful or even uncomfortable. None of us want to have our world beliefs ruffled. Honestly, most of us just want to keep our heads down and get through as easily as possible. Having to shift a world view is painful, to say the least. But as fellow human beings I believe we have a responsibility to our fellow humans to see what is really happening no matter how painful or scary.

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Response to Biophilic (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 07:14 PM

15. +1

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:07 PM

12. I am struck by the parallels between our invasion if Iraq and Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

The Bush administration trumped up fake charges of WMD danger to justify bombing the hell out of Baghdad and other Iraqi cities, killing untold civilians. American conservatives refused to believe statistics about civilian deaths and backed the war 100%. I don't doubt Putin modeled the propaganda about his war on the US propaganda of the Iraq war. I know there are significant differences. Zelensky is a hero - Sadaam Hussein was a brutal dictator. But I, for one, don't mind saying "hey, we did this in Iraq and we know it was wrong."

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:25 PM

13. Don't you understand the Russian people don't have the same freedom of the media as we do?

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Response to Doodley (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 07:14 PM

14. Of Course I Understand It

but I also know that thousands have been demonstrating because they know and disapprove and they have have the same media access as the others. There are boundless apocryphal of people who have tried to tell friends and relatives in Russia and the reply if that they are lying. Quite the same thing has been going on here.

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Response to Me. (Reply #14)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 08:34 PM

17. No, it isn't the same as here. Protests are illegal in Russia. The word war is being banned. America

is not a fascist state without freedom of speech and freedom of the media.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 11:06 PM

19. I Didn't Say They Have Access To The Same Media As Here

but perhaps my response was confusing. People inside Russia have been protesting by the thousands. Now, how do they know what is happening bd the rest of the Russians don't. I'm saying they are are more informed than they are letting on. It's why a Russian gymnast accepts a 3rd place award with a Z on his chest.

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Response to Me. (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 8, 2022, 05:15 PM

25. So, the entire Russian population is at fault and they aren't "letting on" what they know,

except those protesting?

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Response to Doodley (Reply #25)

Tue Mar 8, 2022, 05:32 PM

26. Oh Honestly

Go on, if you insist, pretending not to understand.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 08:59 PM

18. +1,

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 07:25 PM

16. Same with Islamic extremists and the DSA types

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2022, 11:26 PM

20. True. Alot of those who go along with Big Lies are not

simply brainwashed (although many are) but are willing parties in sustaining the illusion. Nationalism is what Putin (and Trump) play to, ie ethnic grievance, which has always depended upon fictional narratives to justify evil.

Russians do however have limited information, so it would be interesting to see how/if their opinions would adjust if they were exposed to real news.

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2022, 12:41 AM

21. K&R - yip

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2022, 12:52 AM

22. I am sure that is true for many

Most of the people I saw interviewed in one cnn interview said they knew something terrible was going on, one woman at the end said all normal people there know what is going on, but they afraid etc. I am sure some magas are denying it here too, but knowing they are lying etc.

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2022, 01:34 AM

23. Majority of Russians support Putin

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 8, 2022, 08:04 AM

24. I Just Heard This Morning THat It Is 2/3

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2022, 05:58 PM

27. I heard an interesting comment yesterday...

...that after a few years, people lose the ability to think. They block out what they are not supposed to talk about and after a while, they refuse to even think about it. They have lost their freedom to think.

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