Holy shit. The Senate just unanimously passed a bill making daylight savings time permanent.
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Holy shit. The Senate just unanimously passed a bill making daylight savings time permanent.
If this clears the House, no more changing the clocks twice a year.
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Promise!
since it didn't interfere with her lobbyist cash flow, I'm sure she went out on a limb and abstained. 
It's up to each state to do daylight savings or not. How will the feds determine what each state does? 
Labrador and Nova Scotia are at -4 UTC, Newfoundland is at -3.5 UTC. On the map above the Eastern Time Zone is peach colored, at -5 UTC. Central is brick red at -6 UTC, and so forth.
The big question will be - what will Canada do about daylight savings time?
Nepal is on a quarter hour offset. Check out Kathmandu’s clock. 
But if the Senate makes Daylight Saving Time permanent then it sounds like we will be going from Mountain Time to Pacific Time.
It would just be that we will be under the Pacific Time designation if Calif is always on Daylight Saving Time. Until that happens we are officially Mountain Time even though part of the time we are the same as Pacific Time only because all of the other states change back and forth. It's probably more confusing to people who don't live in AZ and aren't used to it. 
I just told my son the other day that's what they should do! Yippee!
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That means everyone in the Senate, including Manchin, voted yea. So he's got absolutely nothing to squawk about!!
*Edited for correction, as I initially missed the word "unanimously" in the o.p.
I kinda like that time of the year. 
"This is one of their biggest accomplishments in the last 100 years." To a word!
Then I also added, "I'm surprised there wasn't at least one republican against it. They all seem to be stuck in the 19th century, and so against change". And I really am surprised.
the bigger ones happily ran off ahead. Nice way to start the day. Then came the dark season when it wasn't, even when it wasn't too cold to walk.
Surprised to hear so many people seriously affected by the time changes, which never caused more than a few moans at the alarm going off too early for us. Makes me wonder if there's a link between body clock issues and ideological orientation. The farther from the equator, we know, the bigger the seasonal effects.
agree on Daylight Savings Time!!! In this day and age, that is pretty remarkable.
I was one of those kids (in junior high) who had to carry a flashlight on the way to school in the morning when Nixon did this crap (i.e.., pushing DST back to start January). What a friggin nightmare. 
By Susan Steade | ssteade@bayareanewsgroup.com | Bay Area News Group
PUBLISHED: October 30, 2016 at 7:38 a.m. | UPDATED: November 7, 2018 at 11:17 a.m.
The 7 a.m. darkness in the last days before springing forward put us in mind of a historical footnote: the year of unending Daylight Saving Time. Or at least that was how it was supposed to be.
It was 1974, and the energy crisis was cutting into the American way of life, with odd-even gas rationing, a national speed limit and shortened Nascar races. The Emergency Daylight Saving Time Act signed by President Nixon dictated that clocks would spring forward one hour on Jan. 6 — and stay that way for almost 16 months, until April 27, 1975.
Students wait for a schoolbus at 7:35 a.m. in Astoria, Queens, during the daylight savings experiment. (Getty Images)
By fall, the dark mornings were apparently wearing on the American people. Proclaiming “it’s for the children” — those scholars standing at bus stops in the predawn — lawmakers threw in the towel of gloom. Year-round DST was scrapped, and on Oct. 27, clocks fell back.
But there’s no way to stop the Earth from tilting, and — in 1974 as in all years — most of the morning daylight gain was gone within weeks. The 1974 experiment was but one of the federal revisions of Daylight Saving Time in the past 50 years.
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https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/30/the-year-daylight-saving-time-went-too-far/
I had one with one of those whip flag things on the back like this -
but I did actually get my first 10-speed that year.
The shifter was like a car one on the center post (not on the handlebar) with a big knob on the end. So after that, I always wanted a "stick shift" that looked the same in a car, but not for an actual manual transmission. So all my cars have been automatics with the gear selector on a center console instead of on the steering wheel because of that bike! 
twice a year, the media digs up their stale old stories and drags out all these "health professionals" and "psychologists" who all pontificate about the same stuff over and over.
The whole "change" thing is directed towards ADULTS and they refuse to actually do a a real "impact analysis" to ensure that locales that have poor street lighting can deal with that and perhaps even make reflective gear (like reflective strips for backpacks or that can be added to coats) made available for children who would be on their way to school during the months when it is dark in the morning, so they can be seen. 
not just patrolling around the schools but in reaction to upticks in traffic accidents and crime. Don't remember what else.
It wasn't all about children, though they're what I remember best. Our school district implemented all kinds of changes at the schools, including extra duties for teachers who arrived early. I know that for a while the PTA I was active in was providing volunteers with flashlights until the city installed street lights in an alley in the neighborhood that kids used as a short cut (I wasn't one of them, wrong direction). Then the lights caused a bunch of complaints. Wonder if they took them out.
but the street that I had to use to get there was one-way, up a hill, and residential, so the lighting was minimal (and that was before the proliferation of the "yellowish-pinkish" sodium (technically "High Pressure Sodium) street lights. At the top of that hill was a narrow half-paved path that then lead to the actual station, which was about 1/2 a block down from the path entrance, and that was very poorly lit if at all because the path lights were barely or not really maintained by SEPTA.
And back then, they still had some "safeties" with the white sashes, that I guess could be considered "reflective" 
(I had been one when I was younger) to help the Crossing Guards -
But nowadays, so many school systems have all but eliminated Crossing Guards (usually retired women) and probably a tiny portion even bother with having "children" as "safeties", although I suppose if they did, they could use those yellow reflective vests.
And definitely agree about the "short cuts" because they are the very places that kids use that are minimally or completely unlit. We lived a couple blocks from an elementary school (I had gone to it for 1st - 3rd grades) and kids would cut across our next door neighbor's yard to get to their back driveway that lead up to the street where that same train station path entrance was, and would have been a shortcut to get to the school, which was literally several hundred feet away from the train station. The driveway itself was unlit or barely lit (only if someone had actually installed a spotlight on their detached garage).
Many of them took themselves TOO seriously!
And those walks had neighbors snatching kids who tried to sneak along the shortcuts, walking them right to their house to tell their parents. Nowadays, few adults would be willing to do that lest they be met by an irate parent who may tell them to "mind their business" (or worse).
And unfortunately for many city kids, there is no pampering - but something worse - kids dodging bullets or even packing guns.
I lived down the street from a major intersection that had 3 gas stations on or near the corner (a Sunoco, an Amoco, and a Gulf). The car lines (odd/even by license plate on rotating days) extended for a couple blocks along my street.
We had an 8-cylinder '68 Ford station wagon that probably only got about 6 miles/gallon. After 10 years, the passenger row floor had rusted out. It looked just like this (same color too, with the automatic flip-up headlight covers and electric rear window) -
Thing was a tank!
$1 a carload (for 6 movies)!
Push the passenger seat down and lay out in the back with blankets, a jug of juice, and our own bags of popcorn, while listening to the movie sound from a crackly old mono AM speaker thing hooked on a window, and watching the older kids making out in pick up trucks a few cars down.
And don't let it rain and be forced to turn the wipers on during the movie.
apparently was a compromise time frame based on a trigger of the amount of change in daylight that begins to happen a few weeks after each spring (~March 20th/21st) and fall (~September 20th/21st) equinox, where during those equinox weeks, with the solar parallax going on, there is not much change in number of hours of light/dark (nor change in where the sun rises and sets) each day. After that, there is noticeable shift.
It's something that is taken into consideration for people having solar panels installed.
or at least not increasing energy consumption.
Understandably, with kids taking busses, etc.
I wonder what greedy purpose made them choose this one?
is that they screwed with the long-used "April" / "October" timing by doing this stupid "November" and "March" nonsense by waiting to the 1st Sunday of November (instead of the last Sunday of October) and changing in the spring the 2nd Sunday in March, instead of the first Sunday in April.
Right before we did this change, it was starting to get light at 6 am here. Then change weekend, we were back to pitch dark at 6 am again.
Here in Philly at 40N latitude, we only have ~9 hours of daylight in winter but have ~15 hours in summer. Those further north of here have more extremes in day length, but then those northern climes have adapted their areas for those wider-ranging seasonal light/dark cycles, supplementing with more lighting, etc. It's just like many of those same northern areas also have engine block heaters in mall parking lots where you attach one to your car's engine when you park so that you can start the car during brutal cold temps once you are done shopping, and are ready to leave. I had never even heard of something like that until maybe about 20 years ago.
Personally since I am retired, it would theoretically not matter to me (although I am a morning person and like to be up before the robins). But as a kid having gone through that last experimental bullshit of a year-round time in our latitude, I really feel for any kids should this thing make it through the House. It will be like almost a 50 year history repeating of itself.
But they will do whatever they want.
I live in eastern Michigan. The damn sun doesn't set untill 9:15 in June. Make it standard time year-round!
in June and was like WTF? when I saw the sun wasn't setting until almost 9:30 at night. That's when I realized how much of a PITA it was for that area to literally be on the furthest west edge of ET. 
So cool, but just hope no one is inspired to lament how modern society no longer knows how to count knuckles.
I loathe going back to standard time every year. DST is the way to go IMO! 
Everyone gets a day off - National HoliDAY!
Somebody has to protect the sunshine, am I right?
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at a time when democracy is crumbling.
I mean, I know it's an important issue to some people, but c'mon.
here is a super accurate (on every level) short video
gorgeous visuals btw, my wife's family has partial Norrbotten roots, and we have been up there many times
When we have to spring forward, that should happen at 2pm on a Friday afternoon. When we have to fall back that should happen on Saturday night. If we did it that way, it would be much more enjoyable for me anyway.
