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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:26 AM

I have always been disgusted by the media's bothsiderism but...

today I happened to catch Bod Woodward on morning Joe taking it to another level. He kept insisting that the left is equally responsible for the right wingers war on democracy saying that it rests on Biden's shoulders to turn the temperature down. He was chastised numerous times by the other guests and hosts but wouldn't give up on his talking point. He was given ample opportunity to clarify what he was saying but he even went so far as to compare what meadows, ginni T. and the rest of them were doing after the election to the way Democrats operate. This nonsense is expected over there at fox but the MSM has got to start doing better, it has been going on way too long and if they don't stop with the false equivalence I see no hope for the future.

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Reply I have always been disgusted by the media's bothsiderism but... (Original post)
dajoki Mar 2022 OP
spanone Mar 2022 #1
dajoki Mar 2022 #4
Samrob Mar 2022 #13
Walleye Mar 2022 #2
NCDem47 Mar 2022 #8
Walleye Mar 2022 #15
Rebl2 Mar 2022 #18
uponit7771 Mar 2022 #28
hlthe2b Mar 2022 #3
dajoki Mar 2022 #6
Rebl2 Mar 2022 #19
spooky3 Mar 2022 #5
Chin music Mar 2022 #7
Mad_Machine76 Mar 2022 #9
lapucelle Mar 2022 #10
gab13by13 Mar 2022 #11
KS Toronado Mar 2022 #27
halfulglas Mar 2022 #12
twodogsbarking Mar 2022 #14
bullwinkle428 Mar 2022 #16
Hortensis Mar 2022 #17
TNNurse Mar 2022 #20
LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2022 #21
Xoan Mar 2022 #22
ificandream Mar 2022 #23
ificandream Mar 2022 #24
uponit7771 Mar 2022 #29
dajoki Mar 2022 #31
Warpy Mar 2022 #25
jalan48 Mar 2022 #26
Initech Mar 2022 #30

Response to dajoki (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:29 AM

1. Woodward broke this current story on Ginni Thomas....

Who in the hell tried to do the same on the left? I saw that performance by Woodward, it really pissed me off.

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Response to spanone (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:36 AM

4. I was so angry...

I was spitting. I had to get it off my chest so I posted it here.

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Response to spanone (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:49 AM

13. Can you give ma an example, Mr. Woodward of the equivalency on the Democratic side you speak of?

The fuck off!

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:30 AM

2. The false equivalence is a major tool in Russian propaganda toolbox

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Response to Walleye (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:40 AM

8. Republicans: "You Democrats made us do this."

If this were a relationship, Republicans would be the abuser justifying their actions against the victim.

Sick. Really sick.

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Response to NCDem47 (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:24 AM

15. Yes! Exactly the same dynamic. The bully needs to prey on the weak

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Response to NCDem47 (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:25 AM

18. Blaming the victim

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Response to Walleye (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:17 AM

28. +1,

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:31 AM

3. Carl Bernstein is and continues to be the better of the two. Woodward does this

To retain access but it is disingenuous as hell.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:38 AM

6. Agreed...

Woodward sold out long ago.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:27 AM

19. YES Bernstein is

the better of the two.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:37 AM

5. + a million

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:41 AM

9. How/Why

does BIDEN need to "turn the temperature down"?! What's he doing?

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:41 AM

11. Time for another edition of, they are all the same;

The 3 cable news networks push the same right wing narratives. This is the only difference;

Fox News says Obama beats his wife.
CNN says it needs more information.
MSNBC says no he doesn't.

All 3 are still talking about Obama beating his wife.

I am down to 2 people who I watch on cable; Nicolle and Chris. Sad that Rachel axed Keith, I would have watched 3.

You can tell what the major right wing narratives are by simply flipping channels and they will all be talking about the same thing, usually at the same time.

One of the major right wing talking points right now is that president Biden is weak, he isn't doing enough in Ukraine. This will be a GQP talking point for the next election. This is pretty ironic coming from the Putin Party. (GQP)

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:57 AM

27. NATO & the European Union

Have both praised Biden for leading the charge against Putler & helping Ukraine. But the GQP & FQX will
point out that one day one Ukrainian solider somewhere ran out of .308 armor piercing bullets and it's all
Biden's fault, and FQX viewers will eat it up and ignore the fact that the soldier gets a 1000 rounds of these
every day and uses them up every day.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:42 AM

12. Woodward has always done this.

His writing has less of it, but anytime he is talking on TV one on one or in a group discussion, he always both sides it. That's the way he thinks. He does it with that super serious unctious way of making pronouncements. Beyond Watergate look at his background. He was always the one with the Republican government connections. He has always been the serious journalist member of the "ruling class."

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:09 AM

14. We ain't even close to left yet.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:35 AM

16. Fucking disgraceful. Almost as if Woodward is hoping for Chump's "triumphant"

return to office, as his level of access will allow him to sell a shit-ton more books.

Almost??

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:10 AM

17. The "hope for the future" is that more people recognize this for what it is

than in the past. That's really important.

Woodward and many others, hosts and guests, have been doing this each election now. That's the takeaway, not the show of disagreement while he and many others work at deceiving and demoralizing the left into not voting.

A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth. ~ Joseph Goebbels (In 2016, how many times did we hear 1000 variations on, "Anyway, the Democrats do it too"?, and how many thousands of times did the MSM repeat it?)

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:41 AM

20. "Turn the temperature down"???

I am not sure how Joe could be much more calm and mellow....he does speak out with intensity when it is warranted...but damn he is cool and collected.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:42 AM

21. Woodward accused of 'false equivalency' after claiming that left has antii-democratic impulses

Woodward was wrong when he claimed that anti-democratic impulses are a problem among both the right and left. Morning Joe and Eugene Robinson called Woodward out on this bullshit.


https://www.rawstory.com/bob-woodward-both-sides/

Bob Woodward on Friday suggested that authoritarian thinking was a problem among both the right and left in the United States -- but his Washington Post colleague Eugene Robinson and MSNBC's Joe Scarborough strongly disagreed.

Woodward was discussing the texts between right-wing activist Ginni Thomas and Donald Trump's chief of staff Mark Meadows. The Washington Post reporter and his co-author Robert Costa obtained the texts discussing plans to overturn Trump's election loss, but Woodward met fierce pushback when he argued that left-wing activists were engaged in similar efforts to gain political power.

"You're getting a skeptical look because, yes, there are extreme voices on the left, [but] I don't think this is an equal balance," Robinson said. "What you saw was the Republican Party writ large basically losing its mind but going, becoming a Trumpist party and adopting positions that establishment Republicans were horrified by, very conservative establishment Republicans were horrified by it. I don't see something equivalent happening on the left."

Woodward agreed that was a fair point, and he conceded that Thomas -- the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas -- and Meadows were hardly fringe figures, but he continued to insist that the left also harbored an anti-democratic impulse, which Scarborough then batted down.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:45 AM

22. Makes you wonder what Woodward is hiding ...

in his closet.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:48 AM

23. Sorry, but Woodward helped report one of the greatest journalism stories of the 20th century.

As a journalist, he tries to remain impartial. That's what a real journalist does. We've become too used to Fox playing its propaganda games. Woodward doesn't do that. We need to have voices of the free press if this democracy is to survive. If we don't, we're screwed, folks.

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Response to ificandream (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:53 AM

24. Additionally, Woodward was a registered Republican when Watergate broke.

I'm in the middle of listening to the audio of Garrett M. Graff's book, "Watergate," and I didn't know (or forgot) that Woodward was a Republican when the story broke. (Bernstein was a Democrat.) It shows what impartial journalists can do. And he's been all over Republicans for years in his books. I'm really enjoying the book. It goes through a lot of background that I hadn't been aware of or had forgotten.

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Response to ificandream (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:20 AM

29. Woodward can be impartial and tell the truth, they're are not separate ideals

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Response to ificandream (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:21 PM

31. Sure, he was honorable at some points...

in his career but the last few years I've seen him interviewed he seems to go out of his way to preach the bothsiderism.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:56 AM

25. Woodward wants to preserve his access to traitors

I've found his public appearances disgusting for years. I wish he'd stick to print, his TV appearances go from annoying to infuriating.

Everyone in broadcast media, especially, has done this for decades. It's one of the reasons I turned them off in 2004 and haven't turned them back on.

I'd love to tell them that sure, they'll stomp off in a huff if they're challenged on their bullshit and stay away for weeks or months. However, they'll soon find Pox and the wannabes have a very limited reach and they'll be back, spouting bullshit. "Preserving access" is sheer cowardice and it needs to end.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:57 AM

26. Woodward and others are voices. Comcast and the other media behemoths are the ones who

make the decision to allow the bothsiderism voices to be broadcast nationwide. The voices are the minor problem, the media giants are the major problem.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:27 AM

30. Rush Limbaugh is dead. It's time for Limbaughism to die with him.

I'm sick of this crap too and we can largely attribute most of it to that asshole being on the air for over 40 years.

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