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sarisataka

(19,646 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:06 PM Apr 2022

Should Congress declare war on Russia?

Let's not hide behind euphemisms of 'intervention' or 'no fly zones' and acknowledge we will fight the enemy we spent decades preparing for. If we do go into Ukraine at least some of NATO (the Baltic States, Norway, Poland, Romania) would follow; the majority would probably support the effort to various degrees.

There is no doubt we would "win" but there will be a cost yet to be determined. It is also possible the conflict would spread beyond Ukraine to Russia, Europe and the United States.

Should the US go to war with Russia?


36 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
Yes
2 (6%)
No
31 (86%)
We have had plenty of wars without a declaration, Biden needs to get our military over/in Ukraine ASAP
3 (8%)
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Should Congress declare war on Russia? (Original Post) sarisataka Apr 2022 OP
I'm not sure - what be the reasons or justification to go to war with Russia? Dan Apr 2022 #1
As a response sarisataka Apr 2022 #3
Using Iraq 2003 as a precedent? Bucky Apr 2022 #13
They are not our allies.... Dan Apr 2022 #14
WTF??? CrackityJones75 Apr 2022 #2
There are near daily threads sarisataka Apr 2022 #6
We should not declare war. CrackityJones75 Apr 2022 #7
I agree and also sarisataka Apr 2022 #8
That poster even clarified within the thread Mariana Apr 2022 #15
Yet some said yes there sarisataka Apr 2022 #27
Right. CrackityJones75 Apr 2022 #33
We are already intervening. Are we at war? lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #26
Are American soldiers shooting at Russian soldiers? sarisataka Apr 2022 #28
If Russia decided to start rolling across Europe, invading NATO countries, yes. yagotme Apr 2022 #4
I voted no, though in a sense we are already at war. Marvin Marvin Apr 2022 #5
Thank you, sarisataka, for slicing through the bullshit. Mariana Apr 2022 #9
I have low tolerance for intellectual dishonesty sarisataka Apr 2022 #16
+100. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #29
The U.N. should authorize a peacekeeping mission ripcord Apr 2022 #10
Even if a "peacekeeping mission" could get approved Mariana Apr 2022 #18
The U.N. stated objective in the Korean was was to establish peace ripcord Apr 2022 #23
Why not just call them "soldiers" whose mission would be "combat"? Mariana Apr 2022 #35
No. Don't expect a war with Russia to have some kind of rules. It won't. Ukraine is not asking us dameatball Apr 2022 #11
We should declare war on the real enemy - milestogo Apr 2022 #12
Silly USALiberal Apr 2022 #17
How so? nt sarisataka Apr 2022 #21
lol ok nt Torchlight Apr 2022 #43
No. Iggo Apr 2022 #19
No, of course not, as that would almost guarantee a nuke launch. Celerity Apr 2022 #20
The question is would an "intervention" sarisataka Apr 2022 #25
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is that fucking clear enough? Shanti Shanti Shanti Apr 2022 #22
We declare war on Russia, what does China do? Rizen Apr 2022 #24
I think China would sit it out. Their nukes aren't needed by either side. marie999 Apr 2022 #32
https://www.usa.gov/join-military brooklynite Apr 2022 #30
A call away... yagotme Apr 2022 #34
Very satisfied, so far, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #31
Me too, gives me faith that the majority of DUers think President Biden is Emile Apr 2022 #38
It is reassuring on one hand sarisataka Apr 2022 #39
Yep, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #41
"There is no doubt we would "win" but there will be a cost yet to be determined. " Strelnikov_ Apr 2022 #36
It was meant to be sarisataka Apr 2022 #40
This is a matter for Europe to decide... AntiFascist Apr 2022 #37
Absolutely not, because... LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #42
Yes voters should sign up for service tenderfoot Apr 2022 #44

sarisataka

(19,646 posts)
3. As a response
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:11 PM
Apr 2022

To their aggressive war against Ukraine and to stop the crimes being committed by Russian troops against civilians.

Bucky

(54,495 posts)
13. Using Iraq 2003 as a precedent?
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 02:00 PM
Apr 2022

"Someone out there being evil in the world" isn't really a casus belli

Dan

(3,752 posts)
14. They are not our allies....
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 02:02 PM
Apr 2022

35 years ago, we would have been spending money to fight them as part of the USSR.

sarisataka

(19,646 posts)
6. There are near daily threads
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:14 PM
Apr 2022

About what degree of support to send, sometimes multiple threads advocating "direct intervention"

I am not hiding behind soft terminology. If we intervene, we are at war. Do we declare war or just do like we have every conflict since WW2?

sarisataka

(19,646 posts)
8. I agree and also
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:30 PM
Apr 2022

Do not believe we should get our troops involved whether or not we declare war.

What I find interesting is a different poll today calls it intervention and 60% are in favor, call it war and 85% (at this time) oppose. It is the same thing no matter if it is called intervention, police action, special military operation, UN sponsored action or any of the other terms we use to tell ourselves we are not going to war. It is war

sarisataka

(19,646 posts)
28. Are American soldiers shooting at Russian soldiers?
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 02:58 PM
Apr 2022

(No)

When people post we are not doing enough and we should intervene do they mean American soldiers will fight Russian soldiers?
(Yes)

yagotme

(3,508 posts)
4. If Russia decided to start rolling across Europe, invading NATO countries, yes.
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:11 PM
Apr 2022

Gettin' their a**es handed to them in Ukraine, no.

 

Marvin Marvin

(43 posts)
5. I voted no, though in a sense we are already at war.
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:12 PM
Apr 2022

We should stick with dealing with the situation through the UN, unless Russia directly attacks a NATO country.

Mariana

(14,879 posts)
9. Thank you, sarisataka, for slicing through the bullshit.
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:44 PM
Apr 2022

The use of euphemisms to hide the actual meaning of questions or proposals is profoundly dishonest.

sarisataka

(19,646 posts)
16. I have low tolerance for intellectual dishonesty
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 02:14 PM
Apr 2022

When I was in service I would ask my Marines, and the soldiers when I worked with the Guard, "what is your job".

Those who answered radio operator, truck driver, cook, mechanic or even infantry I would tell them they were wrong. "Your job," I would tell them, "is to kill people. How you do it may be direct or indirect but never forget it. Otherwise you may someday face an enemy who is willing to do his job, to kill you."

Perhaps it was harsh, however I never lost a person in combat.

I was not in a "War" but the bodies I saw were dead anyway.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,979 posts)
29. +100.
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 02:58 PM
Apr 2022

I am dead set against any US/NATO boots on the ground or any CAP, unless a NATO country is attacked or Putin uses NBC in Ukraine.

Semper Fi Marine.

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
10. The U.N. should authorize a peacekeeping mission
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:47 PM
Apr 2022

The U.N. opposes wars of conquest but with Russia on the Security Council the U.N. is impotent.

Mariana

(14,879 posts)
18. Even if a "peacekeeping mission" could get approved
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 02:15 PM
Apr 2022

what exactly would they do there? The countries are already at war, so they wouldn't really be peacekeeping.

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
23. The U.N. stated objective in the Korean was was to establish peace
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 02:26 PM
Apr 2022

It is considered peacekeeping to restore peace.

Mariana

(14,879 posts)
35. Why not just call them "soldiers" whose mission would be "combat"?
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 04:05 PM
Apr 2022

It would certainly be more honest to say that.

dameatball

(7,460 posts)
11. No. Don't expect a war with Russia to have some kind of rules. It won't. Ukraine is not asking us
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:57 PM
Apr 2022

to go to war. They are asking for weapons and assistance.

sarisataka

(19,646 posts)
25. The question is would an "intervention"
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 02:52 PM
Apr 2022

Have less nuclear risk than a "war"?

Have you noticed the most hawkish who describe Putin as mad will credit him with being rational when nukes are discussed? Picture the phone call:

Vlad, Joe here.
*
Good, how are you and the mistress?
*
Hey, I just wanted to give you a heads up, we are intervening in your invasion of Ukraine.
*
Yeah, special military operation, whatever. Either way right about now I have F-22s sweeping every one of your aircraft out of the sky. We'll cross the border soon so you should pull your troops out.
*
Yes I'm serious. Tell them to walk though, we're going to blow up every moving vehicle.
*
I thought you'd appreciate the warning. I just want to be sure we are on the same page here. This is only an intervention so no nukes, right?
*
I knew I could count on you.
*
Yes, we will stop at the border, more or less. Ciao
*
Oh, almost forgot, Donnie says hi and asks if you could give him a call some day. I think he misses you.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
32. I think China would sit it out. Their nukes aren't needed by either side.
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 03:04 PM
Apr 2022

And if it stays a conventional war China will still sit it out and take what it can from what is left of Russia.

Emile

(25,747 posts)
38. Me too, gives me faith that the majority of DUers think President Biden is
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 04:28 PM
Apr 2022

approaching this war correctly!

sarisataka

(19,646 posts)
39. It is reassuring on one hand
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 07:23 PM
Apr 2022

But on the other there are a number who think war by another title is something more acceptable.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,979 posts)
41. Yep,
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 07:31 AM
Apr 2022

the biggest one being, IMO, is the "let's impose a no fly zone", which you and I know is actually a CAP and would require engaging Russian jets in combat.

Strelnikov_

(7,772 posts)
36. "There is no doubt we would "win" but there will be a cost yet to be determined. "
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 04:20 PM
Apr 2022

wtf?

Makes "Home before the leaves fall" seem very pessimistic.

sarisataka

(19,646 posts)
40. It was meant to be
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 07:25 PM
Apr 2022

A US-Russia fight in Ukraine could be a quick matter with a few hundred casualties. Or it could spread around the world and affect billions.

AntiFascist

(12,817 posts)
37. This is a matter for Europe to decide...
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 04:27 PM
Apr 2022

if we suddenly declared war it would play right into the Russian narrative of US interference into their matters, and would likely turn even more of the Russian populace against us. European nations are not ready to go to war, although Poland has expressed interest in sending humanitarian peacekeeping forces.

LuckyCharms

(18,038 posts)
42. Absolutely not, because...
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 08:39 AM
Apr 2022

the declaration and subsequent hot war with Russia ensures the death and injury of even more people than are being killed or harmed now. Both soldiers, and civilians.

Add to that fact that it could indeed cause a chain reaction of events leading to an existential catastrophe.

Events occurring now are heinous, infuriating and impossibly sad, so in a way, I can emphasize with anyone who feels that the US should declare war. This notion is probably even a natural gut reaction.

But in actually, it means that we would be causing even more suffering and death if we were to initiate a hot war.

War should always be the last and final option, that is on the second page on the list of options, after all other options have been exhausted. In fact, it could be argued that it should not be an option at all, offensively.

Defensively, I would say that it has to be an option if the country that you lead is attacked, but we don't lead other countries.

I suppose that if and when an escalation of the war in Ukraine leads to the attack of multiple other countries, a hot war would be unavoidable.

But as things stand now, I think it is being handled well and correctly. The best we can do is to apply as much non-direct combat support that we are able to, and to apply as many sanctions that we can.

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