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womanofthehills

(8,661 posts)
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 02:17 AM Apr 2022

What the hell is happening in China? Dragging residents out of their apts

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2022/apr/14/police-in-hazmat-suits-scuffle-with-people-in-shanghai-video

“Police in hazmat suits were filmed grabbing screaming Shanghai residents in a video circulated on Chinese social media on Thursday. Users of the Chinese microblogging site Weibo claimed that local authorities had decided to take over several residential buildings in Zhangjiang county in Pudong district to quarantine Covid patients.
Videos show residents kneeling on the ground, begging the police not to take them away, and dozens of officers scuffling with civilians and dragging some of them to the middle of the street”
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What the hell is happening in China? Dragging residents out of their apts (Original Post) womanofthehills Apr 2022 OP
maybe their covid quarantine units are full, so they need these whole buildings Demovictory9 Apr 2022 #1
I remember seeing similar video PatSeg Apr 2022 #25
The right wing idiots on AM radio think liberals in the US want to do this too. progressoid Apr 2022 #2
Maybe its not Covid Cheezoholic Apr 2022 #3
My thoughts exactly. 634-5789 Apr 2022 #12
That's what worries me - is there something we don't know womanofthehills Apr 2022 #15
If one doesn't want this type of activity here in the U.S., joshdawg Apr 2022 #4
Going from house to house dragging people out... LiberatedUSA Apr 2022 #19
Any time soon? joshdawg Apr 2022 #23
When the original strain of COVID..... SergeStorms Apr 2022 #5
Welded the doors shut? Roy Rolling Apr 2022 #6
'they own the door-welding corporation' speak easy Apr 2022 #7
That's how they found out.... SergeStorms Apr 2022 #14
Serge, yes the GOP wants to treat women, Dems, POC like this. Irish_Dem Apr 2022 #17
The screaming residents are protestors who don't want a quarantine center nearby. speak easy Apr 2022 #8
It's called communism, people! keopeli Apr 2022 #9
No, it is authoritarian state capitalism, with some elements of oligarchic-controlled socialism via Celerity Apr 2022 #10
Thanks for this. SmallFry Apr 2022 #11
good new book on China Celerity Apr 2022 #13
Bookmarked for later reading. Thank you for this nt okaawhatever Apr 2022 #16
Thanks for the "celerification"! keopeli Apr 2022 #20
fair point Celerity Apr 2022 #22
China is not Communist obamanut2012 Apr 2022 #24
Nothing says totalitarian government quite like dragging people out like that Hekate Apr 2022 #18
China's government being their usual evil authoritarian selves Amishman Apr 2022 #21

progressoid

(49,945 posts)
2. The right wing idiots on AM radio think liberals in the US want to do this too.
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 03:06 AM
Apr 2022

I heard some jagoff saying that he thinks Fauci would love to do this in America.

634-5789

(4,175 posts)
12. My thoughts exactly.
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 06:17 AM
Apr 2022

Not paranoid but if it's something as bad as I think, we're going to get it too.

joshdawg

(2,646 posts)
4. If one doesn't want this type of activity here in the U.S.,
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 04:09 AM
Apr 2022

then one should NOT vote for ANY republican.
republicans won't do this to quarantine covid patients, they will do it because they can..............if America does not wake up and not allow any republican to gain any office. They only want power and money.

Phuque republicans!

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
19. Going from house to house dragging people out...
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 04:15 PM
Apr 2022

…in this country with so many armed with multiple guns? That isn’t going to be happening any time soon.

joshdawg

(2,646 posts)
23. Any time soon?
Sat Apr 16, 2022, 03:39 AM
Apr 2022

Well, see what happens IF republicans win back in '22 or '24.

Don't know about you, but I have never trusted republicans for the last 6 decades to do anything but follow a fascist playbook.

SergeStorms

(19,186 posts)
5. When the original strain of COVID.....
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 04:29 AM
Apr 2022

started making the rounds of Wuhan they welded everyone's doors shut. That's a little harsh too. The Chinese government does not fuck around.

And this totalitarian bullshit looks good to certain right-wing nutsacks in our country?

Roy Rolling

(6,908 posts)
6. Welded the doors shut?
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 04:36 AM
Apr 2022

Dictators and their sycophants don’t care as long as they’re on the right side of the door.

You can tell who they are—they own the door-welding corporation.

SergeStorms

(19,186 posts)
14. That's how they found out....
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 10:19 AM
Apr 2022

how bad the virus was and made the initial predictions about how bad it could get in the U.S.

Dr. Nancy Messinnier, a CDC official, saw the Chinese news clip about Chinese officials welding people's doors shut in Wuhan and knew how bad this was going to get. This was then reported to Trump......and the rest is history. Dr. Messianic was silenced, and Trump fucked everything up beyond belief.

Yes, a very true and extremely sad story. If only Hillary had been president then, hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved.

speak easy

(9,177 posts)
8. The screaming residents are protestors who don't want a quarantine center nearby.
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 05:06 AM
Apr 2022
Shanghai is converting residential buildings into quarantine centres to house a mounting number of COVID-19 cases, but the move is sparking anger among neighbours who are worried they are being put at increased risk of infection. A livestreamed video showed people appearing to scuffle with people outside a housing compound

The owners of the compound said five of its vacant buildings had been converted into isolation facilities A resident of the compound said the buildings were unsuitable for quarantine

In an incident live streamed on Chinese messaging platform WeChat on Thursday afternoon, about 30 people wearing hazmat suits with the word "police" on their back could be seen scuffling with other people outside a housing compound, taking away at least one person.

A woman could be heard weeping as she filmed the scene, which was watched by more than 10,000 people before it was abruptly cut, with the WeChat live-stream platform announcing it had contained "dangerous content".

"It's not that I don't want to cooperate with the country, but how would you feel if you live in a building where the blocks are only 10 metres apart, everyone has tested negative, and these people are allowed in?," said the woman who was filming and did not disclose her real name.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-15/shanghai-turns-residences-into-covid-isolation-facilities/100994772

Celerity

(43,097 posts)
10. No, it is authoritarian state capitalism, with some elements of oligarchic-controlled socialism via
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 05:49 AM
Apr 2022

SOEs (state-owned enterprises). It is (to a fairly large degree) a centrally-planned economy (mimicking some elements of dirigisme) when looking at some of the linkages.

Deffo not communism (as China allows private share ownership in many enterprises), regardless of whatever label anyone, including the Chinese themselves, slaps on it.

 

SmallFry

(349 posts)
11. Thanks for this.
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 06:05 AM
Apr 2022

I stay somewhat well read and do read a good amount about China. I’m not sure I fully understand how their government operates outside of grand basics. I think a lot of people think they understand it’s structure but simply rely on historical perceptions and propaganda. Only so much time to learn. 😁

Celerity

(43,097 posts)
13. good new book on China
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 06:36 AM
Apr 2022
The World According To China

Elizabeth C. Economy

https://www.indiebound.org/book/9781509537495



Description

An economic and military superpower with 20 percent of the world's population, China has the wherewithal to transform the international system. Xi Jinping's bold calls for China to "lead in the reform of the global governance system" suggest that he has just such an ambition. But how does he plan to realize it? And what does it mean for the rest of the world?

In this compelling book, Elizabeth Economy reveals China's ambitious new strategy to reclaim the country's past glory and reshape the geostrategic landscape in dramatic new ways. Xi's vision is one of Chinese centrality on the global stage, in which the mainland has realized its sovereignty claims over Hong Kong, Taiwan, and the South China Sea, deepened its global political, economic, and security reach through its grand-scale Belt and Road Initiative, and used its leadership in the United Nations and other institutions to align international norms and values, particularly around human rights, with those of China. It is a world radically different from that of today. The international community needs to understand and respond to the great risks, as well as the potential opportunities, of a world rebuilt by China.

Polity Press, 9781509537495, 304pp.

Publication Date: January 4, 2022










China’s true ambitions, and what they mean for the U.S.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/01/28/chinas-true-ambitions-what-they-mean-us/

That China’s rise poses a deep challenge to the United States is a belief now widely shared among policymakers and the public, with roughly 9 in 10 Americans viewing the country as a threat or a competitor, according to a recent Pew survey. Too often what is lacking, however, is the “why,” with China portrayed as a one-dimensional villain out to eat our lunch, a framing all too common in Washington these days. That simplistic characterization ignores a much more complicated reality in which both countries’ economies and societies are deeply entwined, and it avoids considering what drives Beijing’s deeply ambitious leaders and what they hope to achieve. That is an obstacle to effective policymaking.

“The World According to China,” a new book by Elizabeth C. Economy, goes a long way toward addressing that problem. By carefully examining Chinese leaders’ economic, political and military goals and explaining how they aim to displace the United States from its ascendant status, Economy has written a guidebook to understanding and dealing with this rising superpower. Economy, on leave from Stanford University’s Hoover Institution while she serves as a senior adviser at the Commerce Department, makes it painfully clear that the earlier policy of strategic engagement, which was behind the decision to welcome China into the World Trade Organization in 2001, is badly outdated. Inevitably, Washington and Beijing will increasingly butt heads over global leadership, with President Xi Jinping aiming for no less than the “great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation,” as he has put it. “The world according to China — one which celebrates Chinese centrality as a geographic, as well as political and economic construct — is one that leaves little room for the United States, its allies, and the values and norms they support,” Economy writes.

As China pushes to expand its influence around the world, Economy distinguishes among its uses of three kinds of power. Soft power is seen in Beijing’s efforts to boost its international reputation by presenting its authoritarian governing style as a model for dealing with the pandemic, including by providing vaccines to countries around the world, and in the expansion of its state-owned media outlets to reach new audiences in Africa and Latin America. Hard power is on display in its ongoing military intimidation of Taiwan and the squelching of Hong Kong democracy, as well as the construction of airstrips on reefs in the contested South China Sea and the opening of its first overseas military logistics base, in Djibouti. In one of many instances where Economy describes her interactions with key actors in the rise of China, something that makes her book even more convincing, she recounts talking to two military scholars in Beijing who casually tell her that their country eventually should have just as many military bases around the world as the United States does.

Economy does a masterful job of explaining China’s use of sharp power, which “centers on distraction and manipulation,” as the Journal of Democracy put it in a 2018 report describing the new concept. Sharp power is increasingly on display as Beijing uses access to China’s vast market as leverage over multinational corporations. When, for example, international airlines’ websites seemed to suggest that Taiwan was separate from China, and when global brands publicly stated their concern about human rights abuses against the Muslim ethnic minority in Xinjiang, consumer boycotts organized on China’s tightly controlled Internet were wielded to ensure that those companies quickly reversed course and toed the party’s line. Similarly, the longtime practice of “coerced” technology transfer, or demanding that multinationals transfer technology as the price of doing business in China’s enticing market, falls into this category.

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keopeli

(3,491 posts)
20. Thanks for the "celerification"!
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 06:29 PM
Apr 2022

:lol:
I do appreciate your clarity. Still, I was referring more specifically to this particular episode, which is very typical of communist control mechanisms over property that is all owned by the state.

Amishman

(5,554 posts)
21. China's government being their usual evil authoritarian selves
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 06:33 PM
Apr 2022

We really need to understand and accept that China is an evil on the same level as Russia, just one that is currently focused inward.

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