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Roland99

(53,342 posts)
Fri Apr 29, 2022, 08:11 PM Apr 2022

Wow! Wonderful and insightful thread on the cornered tiger (white conservative males)



Fine, here’s what I think is going on:

White men have long been a minority in US society (currently 29%), but until very recently, they controlled all the ladders of ascent into cultural, political, media, or economic relevance.


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Fine, here’s what I think is going on:

White men have long been a minority in US society (currently 29%), but until very recently, they controlled all the ladders of ascent into cultural, political, media, or economic relevance.

That doesn’t mean that women and people of color weren’t visible in politics or culture. But it means the people who rose up the ladder into a position of influence generally had political beliefs that white men found tolerable, if not outright appealing.

You’re a woman or especially a minority, and you want to be a Times columnist, a judge, a congressional leader of note, a TV anchor?

If your ideas conform with the ideas of the white men who run these institutions, you can rise, rise, rise. If they don’t you likely won’t.

Now it’s important to switch perspectives and imagine what this system looked liked to white men themselves: consensus.

They could look out their window and see that almost everyone notable agreed with them on really divisive cultural issues!

Occasionally someone would break into the cozy unanimity with ideas that ran against the consensus, like a Jesse Jackson running for president. But even when this happened, all the major cultural and political power centers would reiterate that this was radical fringe politics.

Today… this system mostly remains in place, actually! Most political, cultural, and economic institutions are still controlled by white men! Many nonwhite, nonmale people who advance in these institutions do so by being agreeable to white male gatekeepers! (No names, sorry.)

But cracks are starting to emerge. There are people appearing in politics and culture who do not appear to have really been let in by white male gatekeepers - in fact, who express ideas that the vast, vast majority of white male gatekeepers find incorrect or even annoying.

What are these ideas? It varies but generally they are, naturally, ideas that challenge the power structure itself, point out the ways in which white people and men hold disproportionate power, and point out the way that power is exercised, often unfairly.

Why are cracks emerging now? Partly it’s a cultural evolution. Partly it’s technological (Twitter plays a big role here). But I think most of it is just demographic. America’s white majority is rapidly becoming a white plurality. Total societal control just isn’t sustainable.

And as this has happened, the world as experienced by white men (who, let’s remember, do still control the vast majority of political, cultural, and economic institutions) has also changed: where they once saw consensus, now there’s conflict.

For many white men, including many who hold vast power and influence, it feels like a bunch of malcontents - espousing ideas everyone previously agreed were radical, no less! - have forced their way past the gatekeepers, and are now making everything complicated and unpleasant.


The response of white men has varied. Some have argued that we need to restore the consensus of earlier years, unaware it was illusory and achieved partly by exclusion. Some have desperately kept trying to gatekeep.

And a whole lot of them have just gotten really, really angry.

And that’s where we are now: a small but growing number of people with perspectives that are not agreeable to white male gatekeepers pushing into the public eye, and white men seeing it as radicals smashing a consensus they were told was shared by everyone worth listening to.

And I think it's not a coincidence that the figures and groups that attract the most obsessive ire, who are blamed for causing all the trouble, are also the figures and groups that seem to have most dramatically circumvented the gatekeepers: AOC. Nikole Hannah-Jones. BLM.

One last thing I'll say: in my experience, white men are skeptical of the idea of white male gatekeeping (which makes sense, because it's not like we all got together and decided to do it).

But women and people of color are often acutely aware that their ability to exist in elite circles depends on not challenging certain ideas, and not rubbing powerful people the wrong way. Where do those ideas come from? What do most of those powerful people have in common?



The cornered tiger is the moneyed, white male property owner

And its days in power are numbered and dropping fast

Fear motivates them to more and more drastic measures and furthering the claim that anyone against is even more extreme and crazy. Aka, projection
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Wow! Wonderful and insightful thread on the cornered tiger (white conservative males) (Original Post) Roland99 Apr 2022 OP
The worst part is: ret5hd Apr 2022 #1
Fits in with many of their personalities. Roland99 Apr 2022 #2
This ☝️ I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2022 #12
+1, uponit7771 Apr 2022 #3
K&R, "..a consensus they were told was shared by everyone.." Yep, told a guy I never watched Friends uponit7771 Apr 2022 #4
K&R n/t ms liberty Apr 2022 #5
Excellent analysis. llmart Apr 2022 #6
Amen Joinfortmill Apr 2022 #9
"Angry White Men" were created - for money . . . hatrack Apr 2022 #14
I guess that's why they want to rationalize rape and parental rights MagickMuffin Apr 2022 #7
Alive and well in corporate America. Joinfortmill Apr 2022 #8
Evidence of fracture: Aristus Apr 2022 #10
More like a cornered fat white possum I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2022 #11
And poor, ugly possums are nicer critters Duppers Apr 2022 #13
I agree except I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2022 #16
so much anger is directed at movies/tv shows that dare to feature a POC/woman. some youtubers Demovictory9 Apr 2022 #15

ret5hd

(20,482 posts)
1. The worst part is:
Fri Apr 29, 2022, 08:49 PM
Apr 2022

the cornered tiger would rather burn it all down, wreck it all into a cesspool of misery-for-everyone, then blame all those “gatecrashers” for the resulting chaos and hunger and death and even a completely failed country/civilization…

rather than say “Yeah, we can work together. Let’s fix this and make it good for everyone.”

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
4. K&R, "..a consensus they were told was shared by everyone.." Yep, told a guy I never watched Friends
Fri Apr 29, 2022, 09:39 PM
Apr 2022

... and he looked at me like I ate a puppy.

Asked him has he ever watched Living Single and he answered it as if he never heard of Juneteenth either.

llmart

(15,533 posts)
6. Excellent analysis.
Fri Apr 29, 2022, 10:36 PM
Apr 2022

If I remember correctly, the term "angry white man" became prominent during the 90's. I remember reading quite a few pieces about the question, why are white males so angry these days? This has been brewing for awhile, but I still believe that it will eventually die a natural death, though not in my lifetime.

I used to say that the reason they were so angry was because they never had to share the spotlight or power with anyone else except other white males and then along came women outshining them in school and jobs and making inroads incrementally and then dark skinned people did the same and they started being threatened by all that. They could not ever admit to themselves that they got where they were because they were white and men. They had convinced themselves they got where they were by working harder and being smarter which was flat out not true. That's what privilege is. I'm not saying that was true for all white men, but it certainly was true for the vast majority of white men.

hatrack

(59,578 posts)
14. "Angry White Men" were created - for money . . .
Sat Apr 30, 2022, 07:51 AM
Apr 2022

The whole RW talk radio phenomenon starting with Rush (who's still dead, BTW) and festering even today, was just a cheap and easy way to maximize profits for radio networks.

News programming? Expensive. Public affairs? Booooo-ring. Localized broadcasting? Atomized, market-specific, hard to standardize. Paid employees to do these kinds of programs? Fuck that, let's gut the system so we can make All The Money Right Now.

Every city, every town, every country crossroads has a crank or 10,000. They're angry, ANGRY, I tell you! This isn't the country they grew up in! Why don't they have any good shows on the Tee-Vee any more like Dobie Gills or Hogan's Heroes? What are these black people doing in my town??!! And whatever the problem is, it's certainly not THEIR fault. People who bitch and moan all day long, for whom the thought of their Very Important Opinions on the radio is pure catnip.

The rest is easy. Hire a glib, morally void host, a minimal production staff and call screeners and pay for some toll-free lines. Voila! Millions of reptilian cortexes just waiting to be stoked every single day, with money rolling in.

Best of all, once you've mobilized the raging cranks, you can use them for other things. Getting elected, for example, or holding rallies, or selling pickup trucks. Win-win!!

MagickMuffin

(15,933 posts)
7. I guess that's why they want to rationalize rape and parental rights
Fri Apr 29, 2022, 11:07 PM
Apr 2022



If white women won't have sex with us fine we'll make you have sex with us whether you consent or not.


Aristus

(66,294 posts)
10. Evidence of fracture:
Fri Apr 29, 2022, 11:21 PM
Apr 2022

I’m a white, cisgender, heterosexual, middle-aged white male. And I oppose everything the white male establishment stands for.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,462 posts)
11. More like a cornered fat white possum
Fri Apr 29, 2022, 11:29 PM
Apr 2022

These scared angry wealthy white people are nothing noble like tigers.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
13. And poor, ugly possums are nicer critters
Sat Apr 30, 2022, 07:28 AM
Apr 2022

Than are rethugians!

I cannot think of a critter lower than a modern rethugian.

Demovictory9

(32,423 posts)
15. so much anger is directed at movies/tv shows that dare to feature a POC/woman. some youtubers
Sat Apr 30, 2022, 07:58 AM
Apr 2022

topics are almost entirely ranting about the demographics of characters. they chortle with glee if the movie/tv show has poor ratings.

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