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We're losing Latinos. Marist Poll shows Latinos prefer GOP 52%-39% (Original Post) Sympthsical May 2022 OP
I don't know that we can turn that around Mad_Machine76 May 2022 #1
republicans are advertising heavily on Spanish language TV and radio. brush May 2022 #34
It seems weird Mad_Machine76 May 2022 #36
Of course. We should be doing the same thing. As recently as... brush May 2022 #40
Christianity, toxic masculinity, oppose women rights. Same as the white Christian man. LizBeth May 2022 #2
Absolutely! And HUGE Anti-Abortion factor. They'll stay in poverty before permitting "Choice". SharonAnn May 2022 #8
+1 LizBeth May 2022 #11
Another +1 ChazII May 2022 #38
I think you are exactly right. I hate to be cynical but when you have a minority of white walkingman May 2022 #13
I married into a family with a deep Roman Catholic background misanthrope May 2022 #16
Are you going to put that in a campaign ad? Sympthsical May 2022 #22
... or lack of dem outreach in large Hispanic communities? There have been people on DU warning ... uponit7771 May 2022 #23
I would never blame the whole hispanic community.... albacore May 2022 #47
Saw that happening here in Texas around the 2016 campaign season. TwilightZone May 2022 #3
Messaging in the community would've been better than what we had in 18 and 20. We've been warning uponit7771 May 2022 #25
I've been hearing this for awhile also Tickle May 2022 #4
Been reading of some slippage in Black support too. Hopefully, things will work out in Nov. Hoyt May 2022 #5
You are correct Tree-Hugger May 2022 #21
It's crazy since so many republicans are prejudiced Tree Lady May 2022 #51
How does our party deal with it? Effete Snob May 2022 #6
I would look at Spanish language social media..... TheRealNorth May 2022 #7
They will get it after the christofascists install the protestant theocracy... Thomas Hurt May 2022 #9
True. Evangelical, & End Timers despise Catholics as unchristian evil. Budi May 2022 #24
there is a huge demographic change happening, religious-wise, with American Hispanics Celerity May 2022 #52
I can say that my Latino friends Chuuku Davis May 2022 #10
Where's the reference in the poll to "Latinos"? lees1975 May 2022 #12
Page 11 of the poll Sympthsical May 2022 #19
Well being a darker skin color their votes won't count MagickMuffin May 2022 #14
The answer is obvious. harumph May 2022 #15
will that make inflation Tickle May 2022 #18
Of course not, just lets people know you're in it with them. Zel isn't going to fire a bullet but .. uponit7771 May 2022 #28
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 but these ideas will be deemed doom and gloom. People have been talking about uponit7771 May 2022 #27
I'm in NYC Dorian Gray May 2022 #17
+1 H2O Man May 2022 #29
"I am uncomfortable using it with the parents in the communities we serve" brooklynite May 2022 #39
Huh? Dorian Gray May 2022 #53
These morons will deserve what they get. Patterson May 2022 #20
who are you referring to? nt Tickle May 2022 #26
Fuckin WOW !!! They're the "morons" but the smart ones wont run a Stacy Abrams ground game ... uponit7771 May 2022 #30
Wow NotTodayPutin May 2022 #42
Easily ***HEAVILY*** invest in Stacy Abrams like ground games in CoC involving college kids of color uponit7771 May 2022 #31
Right!! atreides1 May 2022 #32
No path to citizenship... Sancho May 2022 #33
Latino voters don't need a path to citizenship. Mariana May 2022 #46
they do here in Florida... Sancho May 2022 #48
Non-citizens, documented or otherwise, do not vote. Mariana May 2022 #49
You don't understand... Sancho May 2022 #50
That poll shows we're losing the under 40 group too. Marius25 May 2022 #35
Perhaps pay attention to issues that Latinos care about? brooklynite May 2022 #37
When did Republicans start paying attention to the needs of Latinos? Emile May 2022 #41
Well not treating "Latinos" róisín_dubh May 2022 #43
repub takeover of house/senate would mean the end of DACA and any chance for Demovictory9 May 2022 #44
Hispanics are not a monolithic voting base like African Americans Jspur May 2022 #45

Mad_Machine76

(24,399 posts)
1. I don't know that we can turn that around
Mon May 2, 2022, 01:53 PM
May 2022

especially when I don't know that we even know what is driving it. I don't get it though

brush

(53,758 posts)
34. republicans are advertising heavily on Spanish language TV and radio.
Mon May 2, 2022, 04:08 PM
May 2022

It's a years-long strategy and it seems to be working. I'm in Vegas and recently took an Uber and the conversation got around to politics and the driver, a Latino, was convinced trump won the election.

He seemed sensible until then. Of course I told him he was wrong but it had no effect. I don't get it at all. republicans don't give a shit about Latinos. They just want their votes.

brush

(53,758 posts)
40. Of course. We should be doing the same thing. As recently as...
Mon May 2, 2022, 04:51 PM
May 2022

the 2016 election we had 73% of the Latino vote. I don't know what it was for 2020, but I'm taking that 52% for republicans with a grain of salt. Might be a small sample size. I doubt it's gotten that bad, what with the trump/Steven Miller policy fiasco at the border.

SharonAnn

(13,772 posts)
8. Absolutely! And HUGE Anti-Abortion factor. They'll stay in poverty before permitting "Choice".
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:00 PM
May 2022

Makes me crazy sometimes.

I occasionally talk to one (I speak Spanish and lived in Honduras for a while) and explain that it's all a smokescreen to get them to elect rich people who will line their own pockets with taxpayer money that should have gone to benefit us.

They often don't understand the issues, just listen to their church and vote accordingly.

I think I opened a few eyes with the discussions. Not sure, but didn't want to "hammer" the point.

ChazII

(6,204 posts)
38. Another +1
Mon May 2, 2022, 04:48 PM
May 2022

I don't speak Spanish but some of the clients at the food bank have mentioned that they are against abortion. We are not allowed to discuss politics and it is the clients discussing the topic amongst themselves. We have one volunteer who grew up along the border and Spanish is her first language.

walkingman

(7,591 posts)
13. I think you are exactly right. I hate to be cynical but when you have a minority of white
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:16 PM
May 2022

and Hispanic voters supporting you party it is hard to win elections are the state level and in turn the national level (based upon electoral college).

I think education is the only hope and based upon the support for education in last 40 years that doesn't seem to be happening.

Religiosity, which includes submission to authority, conventionality, and intolerance of out-groups, seems to be a Democracy killer.

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
16. I married into a family with a deep Roman Catholic background
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:21 PM
May 2022

so nothing about this polling surprises me. I long ago noted the strong Roman Catholic heritage behind many Latinos made them Republicans by default. It's all about abortion.

Sympthsical

(9,054 posts)
22. Are you going to put that in a campaign ad?
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:30 PM
May 2022

"Just keep doing what we're doing" probably isn't a solution.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
23. ... or lack of dem outreach in large Hispanic communities? There have been people on DU warning ...
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:30 PM
May 2022

... dem messaging in CoC for nearly 2 years now.

But blame the whole Hispanic community in America, its easier

albacore

(2,398 posts)
47. I would never blame the whole hispanic community....
Mon May 2, 2022, 07:18 PM
May 2022

... I would just blame hispanic people who gladly hand over their future to people who hate them and actively work against their interests.
I can blame the individuals... not the group.
Just the same as I blame individuals in ANY group or sub-group in the US for voting against their own self-interest.
People of color....hispanics...women...LGBTQ.... any of those groups can have some dumbshits in them.

TwilightZone

(25,451 posts)
3. Saw that happening here in Texas around the 2016 campaign season.
Mon May 2, 2022, 01:55 PM
May 2022

It became more obvious in the run-up to 2020. Latino turnout here has been relatively low and a problem for us for some time now. We lost areas in 2020 that I'm not sure anyone expected we'd lose.

As for what to do about it, people much smarter and more politically savvy than I have been working on that here in TX for many years with mixed results. There doesn't seem to be an easy solution.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
25. Messaging in the community would've been better than what we had in 18 and 20. We've been warning
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:31 PM
May 2022

... there needed to be a Stacy Abrams like ground game in CoC for nearly 2 years explicitly and got called doom and gloomers.

We'll see, one poll doesn't make a trend

Tickle

(2,506 posts)
4. I've been hearing this for awhile also
Mon May 2, 2022, 01:56 PM
May 2022

and I don't know how to turn it around.

I'm assuming it is because of inflation but turning to the republicans would just be an act of futility if you ask me.

Sadly or gleefully no ever ask me

Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
21. You are correct
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:27 PM
May 2022

Just in my conversations with friends as well as observations on social media, there seems to be less support among black folks for dems. A lot of disillusionment. Again, this is anecdotal and based on my individual experience.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
6. How does our party deal with it?
Mon May 2, 2022, 01:59 PM
May 2022

By adopting the Vatican line on abortion.

Any other questions?

Oh, oh, I know. Force Puerto Rico to be a state!

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
9. They will get it after the christofascists install the protestant theocracy...
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:01 PM
May 2022

the attacks on Hispanics will continue to rise as well as the anti-catholicism.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
24. True. Evangelical, & End Timers despise Catholics as unchristian evil.
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:30 PM
May 2022

I believe church & political identity groups all vie for constituency & supporters by the same messaging. We're your ride to eternal paradise, hop in & pay the driver. Thanks~

So far no church group can prove their claim, & nor can few but the most exceptional politicians with a lifetime track record to factcheck.




Celerity

(43,239 posts)
52. there is a huge demographic change happening, religious-wise, with American Hispanics
Mon May 2, 2022, 08:25 PM
May 2022
So many are going fundie evangelical that they are now the fastest growing ethnic group for evangelicals, and these converts are far more conservative and likely to vote Rethug.

For the first time ever, less than half of US Hispanics are now Catholic, the first ever for any large Hispanic population on the planet. Let that sink in.


In 2014, 11% of US evangelicals were Latino. 1 or 2 years ago it was up to 19%. Likely easily over 20% now. Thousands of small evangelical seed churches are being systematically set up by Latinos. The whole thing is being driven by the younger cohorts, not a bunch of ageing Boomers who are deciding to go hardcore con in religion and politics.

I did an OP on this.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215725110


The Fastest-Growing Group of American Evangelicals

A new generation of Latino Protestants is poised to transform our religious and political landscapes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/07/latinos-will-determine-future-american-evangelicalism/619551/



In 2007, when Obe and Jacqueline Arellano were in their mid-20s, they moved from the suburbs of Chicago to Aurora, Illinois, with the dream of starting a church. They chose Aurora, a midsize city with about 200,000 residents, mostly because about 40 percent of its population is Latino. Obe, a first-generation Mexican American pastor, told me, “We sensed God wanted us there.” By 2010, the couple had “planted a church,” the Protestant term for starting a brand-new congregation. This summer, the Arellanos moved to Long Beach, California, to pastor at Light & Life Christian Fellowship, which has planted 20 churches in 20 years. Their story is at once singular and representative of national trends: Across the United States, more Latino pastors are founding churches than ever before, a trend that challenges conventional views of evangelicalism and could have massive implications for the future of American politics.

Latinos are leaving the Catholic Church and converting to evangelical Protestantism in increased numbers, and evangelical organizations are putting more energy and resources toward reaching potential Latino congregants. Latinos are the fastest-growing group of evangelicals in the country, and Latino Protestants, in particular, have higher levels of religiosity—meaning they tend to go to church, pray, and read the Bible more often than both Anglo Protestants and Latino Catholics, according to Mark Mulder, a sociology professor at Calvin University and a co-author of Latino Protestants in America. At the same time, a major demographic shift is under way. Arellano, who supports Light & Life’s Spanish-speaking campus, Luz y Vida, told me, “By 2060, the Hispanic population in the United States is expected to grow from 60 million to over 110 million.” None of this is lost on either Latino or Anglo evangelical leadership: They know they need to recruit and train Latino pastors if they’re going to achieve what Arellano describes as “our vision to see that the kingdom of God will go forward and reach more people and get into every nook and cranny of society.”

The stakes of intensified Latino evangelicalism are manifold, and they depend on what kind of evangelicalism prevails across the country. The term evangelical has become synonymous with a voting bloc of Anglo cultural conservatives, but in general theological terms, evangelicals are Christians who believe in the supremacy of the Bible and that they are compelled to spread its gospel. Some Christians who identify with the theological definition fit the political stereotype, but others don’t. That’s true among evangelical Latino leaders too—they have very different interpretations of how the teachings of Jesus Christ call them to act. Every pastor I spoke with told me that they want to see more Latino pastors in leadership positions, and they each had a different take on what new Latino leadership could mean for the future of evangelicalism. When we spoke over the phone, Samuel Rodriguez, the president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference and the pastor of New Season Worship, in Sacramento, California, told me, “We’re not extending our hand out, asking, ‘Can you help us plant churches?’ We’re coming to primarily white denominations and going, ‘You all need our help.’ This is a flipping of the script.”

Although Latino congregations are too diverse to characterize in shorthand, one of the few declarative statements that can be made about Latino Protestants is a fact borne out with numbers: They are likelier than Latino Catholics to vote Republican. The expansion of Latino evangelicalism bucks assumptions that Democrats and progressives will soon have a clear advantage as the white church declines and the Hispanic electorate rises. “Some counterintuitive things that have happened [in our national politics] would make more sense if we better understood the faith communities that exist within Latinx Protestantism,” Mulder told me over the phone, alluding to the differing perspectives Latinos hold on many issues, including immigration, and how more Latinos voted for former President Donald Trump in 2020 than in 2016. According to the Public Religion Research Institute, Protestant affiliation correlated more with Hispanic approval of Trump’s job in office than age or gender.

snip

excellent longform article, much more at the top link



There is a link in the article that references the Religious Landscape Study by Pew

in 2014 11% of evangelicals were Latino.



Now, the latest numbers from Pew show it is up to 19% (in less that 7 years)

It is likely over 20% now and growing rapidly, driven by the younger gens,

less than half of Latinos in the US are now Catholic, which is pretty amazing

https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/racial-and-ethnic-composition/latino/

Chuuku Davis

(565 posts)
10. I can say that my Latino friends
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:01 PM
May 2022

Disapprove of the present border policies,
And inflation is hurting them, just like everyone else.
Party in power always gets held responsible for the economy, right or wrong.

lees1975

(3,845 posts)
12. Where's the reference in the poll to "Latinos"?
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:12 PM
May 2022

It breaks down independents, Democrats and Republicans and points to the percentage of blacks that have had someone close die in the pandemic.

Marist missed the 2020 election results by a pretty fair margin. I'd be more inclined to trust YouGov, Morning Consult or Emerson.

Sympthsical

(9,054 posts)
19. Page 11 of the poll
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:26 PM
May 2022

Even if we do this "Only polls I like are good" dance that always crops up in these topics, the trend has been observed in the Latino community for some time now. This is not out of step with other recent observations from other outlets.

MagickMuffin

(15,933 posts)
14. Well being a darker skin color their votes won't count
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:19 PM
May 2022


Only white people are the preferred voters that votes actually count.


harumph

(1,896 posts)
15. The answer is obvious.
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:21 PM
May 2022

Learn to speak Spanish. Meet and greet.
How may repukes actually speak the language?
It demonstrates sincerity.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
28. Of course not, just lets people know you're in it with them. Zel isn't going to fire a bullet but ..
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:36 PM
May 2022

... Ukr citz know he's in it with them to the end.

People have been calling for Stacy Abrams outreach nationwide in CoC and dem messaging to CoC have been laxed.

I still think there's time, GZP has invested heavily in CoC dems can do better

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
27. THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 but these ideas will be deemed doom and gloom. People have been talking about
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:34 PM
May 2022

... dem messaging in CoC for years now and Stacy Abrams showed it could be done fairly cheaply with the right leadership.

Dorian Gray

(13,488 posts)
17. I'm in NYC
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:22 PM
May 2022

and I am friends with people from PR and DR, I work in non profit with many members of the Latin American community. There are probably many factors, and many in NYC are still liberal for the most part.

Abortion may be an issue. Culturally they're catholic, but the church is losing its hold on the LA community too.

I think mostly it's the perception that we are driving the shift in narrative with gender and identity. Most of the Latino/as I know in NYC don't love the LatinX identity. They see it as a white activist progressive identity shift. I am uncomfortable using it with the parents in the communities we serve. The working class Latino community doesn't like the forced shift. (At least in the community where I am present.)

We were told by a number of people to take it out of our literature, which we respected. We've worked at finding inclusive language that doesn't alienate a population.

Also, they are affected by crime, inflation and all the other factors that are making white americans lean toward republicans.

We need to address this stuff in a way that maintains our party identity. But also, if we want to represent people in our districts, we need to understand how they want to be represented and not foist ideas on them that they don't want.

brooklynite

(94,452 posts)
39. "I am uncomfortable using it with the parents in the communities we serve"
Mon May 2, 2022, 04:50 PM
May 2022

Why are you using it at all? If Latinos for the most part don't identify as "Latinx", why should you?

Dorian Gray

(13,488 posts)
53. Huh?
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:16 PM
May 2022

That's what you got from that?

The whole post was pretty much "it's disrespectful to use terminology about people when they don't want to be identified that way..."

Which is why I didn't refer to the Latin American community as LatinX once.



ETA: You and i seem to be from the same general area of Brooklyn. Wealthy gentrified Brooklyn. And in that area, people are using "LatinX" in schools and non-profits. It isn't widely appreciated by the communities from the Caribbean, Central and South America. So they should rethink this identifier.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
30. Fuckin WOW !!! They're the "morons" but the smart ones wont run a Stacy Abrams ground game ...
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:38 PM
May 2022

... in CoC for fear of losing the 1234 white middle aisle voters ?!

REALLY ?!

Come on man

 

NotTodayPutin

(86 posts)
42. Wow
Mon May 2, 2022, 05:45 PM
May 2022

Maybe that should be the campaign.

"You morons, If you don't vote for us, YOU DESERVE what you get!"

Or

"Don't be like those morons... even if they're your friends and family with them... vote for us, or you deserve what you get."

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
31. Easily ***HEAVILY*** invest in Stacy Abrams like ground games in CoC involving college kids of color
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:42 PM
May 2022

... to the nth degree and it has to be grass roots.

Put twice the energy and effort in CoC as dems do trying to keep the mostly white expensive resources wise middle aisle voters.

M$M drives attention to middle aisle voters

atreides1

(16,068 posts)
32. Right!!
Mon May 2, 2022, 02:44 PM
May 2022

As if the GOP...who represent rich whites, the neo-nazi's , and other white supremacists are going to do anything to make their lives better!





Sancho

(9,067 posts)
48. they do here in Florida...
Mon May 2, 2022, 07:26 PM
May 2022

...over 25% were born out of the country, and some LARGE percentage are living with undocumented parents, kids, brothers, sisters, friends, and relatives....

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
49. Non-citizens, documented or otherwise, do not vote.
Mon May 2, 2022, 07:35 PM
May 2022

Latino VOTERS don't need a path to citizenship, because they are already citizens.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
50. You don't understand...
Mon May 2, 2022, 07:55 PM
May 2022

...the citizens who can vote won't vote for a party who "promises", but does not come up with a path to citizenship for their family.

brooklynite

(94,452 posts)
37. Perhaps pay attention to issues that Latinos care about?
Mon May 2, 2022, 04:45 PM
May 2022

Which aren't reflexively immigration and "kids in cages" and certainly aren't about saying "Latinx".

Latino's aren't a monolithic, progressive voting bloc. They care about home economics, support for small businesses, education for their kids, social issues from a range of perspectives, etc.

As for messaging: most Latinos are 2nd/3rd/4th generation at this point and speak perfect English. They're not necessarily listening to "Spanish language TV and radio".

Demovictory9

(32,443 posts)
44. repub takeover of house/senate would mean the end of DACA and any chance for
Mon May 2, 2022, 06:07 PM
May 2022

path to citizenship... despite lip service by republican leadership favoring some remedy for undocumented...their base is VERY VERY AGAINST IT.

Jspur

(578 posts)
45. Hispanics are not a monolithic voting base like African Americans
Mon May 2, 2022, 06:52 PM
May 2022

. I'm an Indian American that was born and raised in the US while my parents are from India. You will see what I'm getting at. Anyways my best friend is also an Indian American whose story is the same as mine. Went to highschool together and he now lives in Dallas, Texas. He's lived there for 11 years. He's told me straight up these Hispanics the democrats want to convert to their base are not reachable.

He made an interesting point when he told me in his words "Jspur these Hispanics they have brown skin just like you and me but a lot of them think differently than us. They actually believe they are white or want to desperately be white and believe that voting republican will get them there. They are also religious nutcases which is another reason why they identify with the republican party. I have worked with these people, and I have had lunch with them plenty of times so I know their beliefs pretty well."

We need to stop thinking Hispanics are a monolithic base like African Americans where they are going to vote 80-90 percent democratic. Hispanics are more like the white voting base in America where you have majority whites in the Northeast and the West Coast voting for democrats and then the rest of the country's white base voting Republican.

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