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Tue May 3, 2022, 12:03 AM

Fuck you Jill Stein and protest voters. Fuck you

Hope making perfect the enemy of good enough has served you well cause it sure has fucked the country.

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Reply Fuck you Jill Stein and protest voters. Fuck you (Original post)
Alpeduez21 May 2022 OP
nycbos May 2022 #1
Budi May 2022 #6
qazplm135 May 2022 #8
Hekate May 2022 #12
qazplm135 May 2022 #13
NowISeetheLight May 2022 #52
qazplm135 May 2022 #70
NowISeetheLight May 2022 #99
qazplm135 May 2022 #102
Hortensis May 2022 #84
qazplm135 May 2022 #98
pnwmom May 2022 #26
qazplm135 May 2022 #33
AllTooEasy May 2022 #32
radicalleft May 2022 #42
iemanja May 2022 #77
mcar May 2022 #54
iemanja May 2022 #75
we can do it May 2022 #76
electric_blue68 May 2022 #11
634-5789 May 2022 #62
CrackityJones75 May 2022 #68
iemanja May 2022 #72
we can do it May 2022 #74
herding cats May 2022 #85
LizBeth May 2022 #89
herding cats May 2022 #90
LizBeth May 2022 #91
herding cats May 2022 #93
LizBeth May 2022 #94
Hoyt May 2022 #2
Budi May 2022 #7
Hoyt May 2022 #10
Hav May 2022 #45
empedocles May 2022 #50
Budi May 2022 #114
inthewind21 May 2022 #111
DFW May 2022 #30
betsuni May 2022 #39
brer cat May 2022 #51
Budi May 2022 #66
DFW May 2022 #97
we can do it May 2022 #78
RockRaven May 2022 #3
msongs May 2022 #4
Samrob May 2022 #9
pnwmom May 2022 #27
gopiscrap May 2022 #5
betsuni May 2022 #14
JustAnotherGen May 2022 #101
questionseverything May 2022 #15
W_HAMILTON May 2022 #34
betsuni May 2022 #38
we can do it May 2022 #79
Laura PourMeADrink May 2022 #16
pnwmom May 2022 #28
OneGrassRoot May 2022 #81
Quixote1818 May 2022 #17
yardwork May 2022 #48
TheRealNorth May 2022 #18
orwell May 2022 #20
allegorical oracle May 2022 #47
Duncan Grant May 2022 #19
orwell May 2022 #21
Duncan Grant May 2022 #23
W_HAMILTON May 2022 #36
Duncan Grant May 2022 #41
W_HAMILTON May 2022 #44
Duncan Grant May 2022 #71
pstokely May 2022 #105
W_HAMILTON May 2022 #35
betsuni May 2022 #40
honest.abe May 2022 #59
Duncan Grant May 2022 #82
tinrobot May 2022 #87
Lithos May 2022 #22
RANDYWILDMAN May 2022 #24
yardwork May 2022 #49
leftstreet May 2022 #103
Name removed May 2022 #25
LetMyPeopleVote May 2022 #29
we can do it May 2022 #80
honest.abe May 2022 #31
JI7 May 2022 #37
betsuni May 2022 #43
Patton French May 2022 #46
mcar May 2022 #53
Politicub May 2022 #55
Happy Hoosier May 2022 #56
Mysterian May 2022 #57
betsuni May 2022 #58
Act_of_Reparation May 2022 #60
betsuni May 2022 #63
Act_of_Reparation May 2022 #96
inthewind21 May 2022 #112
Act_of_Reparation May 2022 #119
honest.abe May 2022 #64
Mysterian May 2022 #106
honest.abe May 2022 #108
SKKY May 2022 #61
Aristus May 2022 #65
CrackityJones75 May 2022 #67
Vinca May 2022 #69
herding cats May 2022 #92
we can do it May 2022 #73
Novara May 2022 #83
Martin Eden May 2022 #86
tinrobot May 2022 #88
ismnotwasm May 2022 #95
Name removed May 2022 #100
jimlup May 2022 #104
Budi May 2022 #117
jimlup May 2022 #121
Budi May 2022 #122
jimlup May 2022 #126
Budi May 2022 #127
Spider Jerusalem May 2022 #107
Cha May 2022 #109
inthewind21 May 2022 #113
Cha May 2022 #125
Budi May 2022 #116
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Cha May 2022 #110
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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:06 AM

1. This post was alerted on.

I guess many leftists are still triggered by the notion they bear some responsibility.

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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:26 AM

6. Reactions to the shattering loss of Roe & what may follow, should be an acceptable fact.

 

I'm seeing a lot of fundraising & wailing at the SC decision today, by the very people who once silenced those same warnings.

Their exploitation now, of today's dire forboding for women's rights, makes me quite certain they never really gave a shit about such a loss at all.

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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:34 AM

8. everyone is responsible

you, me, everyone.

We all didn't do everything we could do to prevent this.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #8)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:45 AM

12. Speak for yourself

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Response to Hekate (Reply #12)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:47 AM

13. if you think you did everything humanly possible

on your end, then boy do you have a mighty high opinion of yourself.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #13)

Tue May 3, 2022, 08:18 AM

52. I've done what I could

Personally I voted for pro-choice candidates. Even when I was a Republican I was pro-choice. I donated money when I could. Iíve even written some letters. I havenít protested publicaly, but being a disabled veteran who had to retire on VA 100% disability and SSDI with PTSD who doesnít leave the house a lot, well that isnít a realistic option.

I guess I could always take it to the next level. Join a militia, storm the capital, take up arms against the government. I could act like a right wing nutcase!

In his defense, believing you did what you could is not having a high opinion of yourself, we are all constrained by something. We do what we can.

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Response to NowISeetheLight (Reply #52)

Tue May 3, 2022, 11:24 AM

70. We can all do more

I'm a disabled veteran too. I can do more. You can always do more and more is required. Of everyone.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #70)

Tue May 3, 2022, 03:30 PM

99. What then?

I guess in retrospect we can always do something. The question is what. I could give up eating quality food, go to a food shelf, and donate the extra money I guess. My comment wasn't addressing doing more, it was addressing the suggestion that somebody has a high opinion of themselves.

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Response to NowISeetheLight (Reply #99)

Tue May 3, 2022, 03:57 PM

102. if you wrote five letters before

then write ten now.

More can be done, by everyone, if some think they've done everything they can, that's on them.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #13)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:40 PM

84. No to imagining that moral, informed Democratic voters

had to have done "everything humanly possible" to outbalance the people who believed the Big Lie there was no real choice between Democrats and Republicans. Or pretended to to justify refusing to vote Democratic.

That was every bit as inexcusable as those who believed tRump's similar lies from the RW populist movement and refused to vote Democratic. Interchangeable and equally culpable.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #84)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:05 PM

98. Can't affect those people

Can affect what I do, as you can what you do.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #8)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:22 AM

26. Everyone is NOT EQUALLY responsible. All the 3rd party pushers

are much more responsible than people who did everything they could to make sure a Republican wouldn't win. Taking votes away from the only party with a chance to beat the R's -- the Democrats -- was the height of irresponsibility.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #26)

Tue May 3, 2022, 03:16 AM

33. I really don't care about parsing out degrees

Of responsibility, I care about each of us working harder and longer to fix this.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #8)

Tue May 3, 2022, 03:16 AM

32. Or you can blame justices Marshall, O'Connor, and Ginsburg


Scotus justices can serve for life. Thurgood Marshall retired under H.W. Bush, who replaced him with Clarence Thomas. Marshall died under Clinton. Thanks a lot Marshall.

Moderate justice Sandra Day O'Connor upheld Roe v Wade while on the SCOTUS. She voted for Planned Parenthood in Planned Parenthood v Casey. She retired under W to spend time with her ailing husband. W replaced her with Alito. Her husband died in 2009 and she's still alive. Thanks a lot O'Connor.

When Obama took office, Ginsburg was 75 with a history of health issues. Obama also enjoyed a (brief 1-year) senate supermajority. Ginsburg was urged by liberal strategists to retire ASAP, so Obama could quickly appoint a much younger, similarly liberal justice. She refused. Ginsburg's diehard supporters screamed "Men should stop telling her what to do!" and "She's earned the right to step down whenever she wants!". She didn't step down when she wanted. She died, and Trump replaced her with Amy Barrett. Thanks a lot Ginsburg.

The current 6-3 anti-abortion court would be 6-3 pro-choice if these justices had better forsite. I haven't even addressed McConnell's steal of Obama's Garland pic. Who needs enemies when...

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Response to AllTooEasy (Reply #32)

Tue May 3, 2022, 04:52 AM

42. Preach it!

I like the way you put this!

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Response to radicalleft (Reply #42)

Tue May 3, 2022, 11:55 AM

77. The deflecting of responsibility

certainly is telling.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #8)

Tue May 3, 2022, 09:03 AM

54. I voted for Democrats

I founded a Democratic Women's Club in my little red Florida county. I worked to get the ERA finally into the constitution.

Here's what I didn't do: I didn't stay home, or vote 3rd party because I didn't get my pony. I didn't mock concerned Democrats and tell them that Roe and SCOTUS wasn't important.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #8)

Tue May 3, 2022, 11:53 AM

75. I worked my ass off to get Clinton elected

I didn't vote for Trump or Stein. I didn't argue that SCOTUS wasn't enough of a reason to vote for Clinton, but I do remember the people who made that claim.
We are not all responsible.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #8)

Tue May 3, 2022, 11:54 AM

76. Fuck this, you have no idea how much work many of us have put in.

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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:42 AM

11. too bad!

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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Tue May 3, 2022, 09:27 AM

62. Post may not be pretty, but needed to be said.

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Response to 634-5789 (Reply #62)

Tue May 3, 2022, 11:02 AM

68. it needs to be said constantly And the stupid fucking rule that it can't be said here needs to go!

 

We need to be able to support DEMOCRATS HERE! Not some bullshit artists that claim to be on our side who constantly attack us leading up to every fucking election.

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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Tue May 3, 2022, 11:51 AM

72. +1

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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Tue May 3, 2022, 11:53 AM

74. Fuck whoever alerted on it.

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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:43 PM

85. I'm curious if it was for "don't keep fighting the last presidential primary" rule?

Because that was 2020 not 2016. I think some people keep forgetting that when they alert.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #85)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:49 PM

89. We can talk about HRC 2008 but oh no. No discussion of 2016 even when a topic of 2022.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #89)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:55 PM

90. That's not the stated rule, though.

The rule specifically applies to 2020, not 2016. We should be free to vent our spleens now. Especially now in light of the fallout.

If I get one of those alerts and it's about 2016 and not 2020 I vote it does not break a rule, like we all should. If I got a post hidden for that I'd appeal it and assume it should be overturned. Talking about the 2016 primary breaks no rules here. Sure, it's going to make some folks uncomfortable who sat out the election or voted third party and helped facilitate the loss of Roe v. Wade, as it should. That's what choices and consequences is all about.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #90)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:59 PM

91. Interesting. First thing this morning was alert on fighting 2016 and said didnt break rules.

When it is so relevant to what is happening today, of course we should have the conversation. I did not realize this but appreciate the heads up.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #91)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:15 PM

93. My pleasure.

I think too many here default to 2016 and forget it's no longer applicable to that specific rule. It's time we address the fact and discuss the ramifications of 2016 on our democracy and our loss of freedoms now and the ones we're about to lose in the near future. This isn't the end of this fallout, for as bad as this is, and it's horrible, it's still just the beginning.

Politics are a long game of strategy, not a popularity contest, not a cult of personality, and not about what you think you deserve right this moment. Those on the left who fell for the latter and ignored the former in 2016 helped facilitate where we are today. I've been angry at them since Trump won and now I'm to the point of being livid. Everything we said would happen has happened, and even faster than I, personally, anticipated.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #93)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:23 PM

94. You are so damn right on and today I am going to be texting a handful

to remind them WHY I will not forgive or forget.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:06 AM

2. Even with Comey, Stein, etc., it came down to people pissed their guy lost in primary.

 

And here we are

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #2)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:29 AM

7. They're all running from that ownership too.

 

All of them.

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Response to Budi (Reply #7)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:40 AM

10. +1.

 

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Response to Budi (Reply #7)

Tue May 3, 2022, 05:56 AM

45. And they are talking about everyone being responsible

right in this thread. Because influencing a sitting SC Justice or stop repub led initiatives once they are in power is as easy as voting. It's actually disgusting.

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Response to Hav (Reply #45)

Tue May 3, 2022, 07:22 AM

50. Yes

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Response to Hav (Reply #45)

Wed May 4, 2022, 05:47 PM

114. Not one them now shouting the cries against stripping of Women's & privacy rights..

 

..stepped up to stand by the one woman who held the power to stop it from coming down on us.
The more she warned, the more they joined the mob against her. Lobbing derrogatory lies about her professional & personal life.
As she bore the brunt of blatant misogyny, mockery directed at the entire female gender to silence her warnings of the SC & Roe & human rights at stake, every single one of these public women stood not by her side in support against the cruelty she never ever deserved, but they all stood on the side of the mob shouting her down.
They turned their backs rather than embrace her dire cause.
They sold out their own entire gender & those now in the firing line of this catastrophic decision for their own celebrity fame & fortune.

And now here they emerge, chest beating & proud of their newfound power.
Yet when they were needed to stand with women to preserve these rights that hung in the fragile balance, they chose to direct face & point at her with the same mockery as the men of the good old boys club.

They are an opportunistic self serving pathetic lot of betrayers to their own gender.

Ask any one of them today:

Do you Remember this? No? Why not?
ďIn a single term, the Supreme Court could demolish pillars of the progressive movement. And as someone who has worked on every single one of these issues for decades, I see this as a make-or-break moment.Ē - @HillaryClinton in March 2016.



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Response to Budi (Reply #7)

Wed May 4, 2022, 04:18 PM

111. Indeed

They are

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #2)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:44 AM

30. I would add:

People who KNEW their guy would lose the primary, and kept up the angry disunity long past the point where it would have no effect except helping to influence a disastrous outcome.

IĎm not saying it wasnĎt their right. Of course it was their right. It is now also their fault.

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Response to DFW (Reply #30)

Tue May 3, 2022, 03:51 AM

39. +1

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Response to DFW (Reply #30)

Tue May 3, 2022, 08:02 AM

51. +1

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Response to DFW (Reply #30)

Tue May 3, 2022, 11:00 AM

66. K & R. Thank You. I see the same ones are all out today blaming Dems & Manchin.

 

Not even a single acknowledgement about their own fault.
Fundraising & blaming everyone but themselves.
As tho they are suddenly the great icons of Women & Human Rights.

As tho the world began today.

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Response to Budi (Reply #66)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:47 PM

97. There will always be those...

The ones who toss a burning cigarette into the forest, and then blame the forest for being too dry when it burns up.

I'm just not interested in that argument any more.

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Response to DFW (Reply #30)

Tue May 3, 2022, 11:58 AM

78. Exactly this.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:11 AM

3. Also buttery males and "both parties are the same" derps.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:13 AM

4. ummm its the millions of democrats who stayed home u need to blame IMO nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #4)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:38 AM

9. That too...damn bran-washed Hillary haters. nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #4)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:23 AM

27. Many of them were misled by the "progressives" like Jill Stein into thinking the Democrat

wasn't worth voting for.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:17 AM

5. totally agree

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:59 AM

14. Once I start remembering all the moronic "she gave a paid speech at Goldman Sachs"

she's evil/corrupt bullshit "reasons" people actually believed for not supporting a Democrat over Trump, I get really mad so better not start.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #14)

Tue May 3, 2022, 03:41 PM

101. This

But her emails. *sigh* I'm with you betsuni.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:13 AM

15. In about four months we need for them to vote with us

Do you think this helps?

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #15)

Tue May 3, 2022, 03:17 AM

34. They need to learn their lesson.

And if revisiting history so we don't repeat it offends them into not voting against Republican fascism again, they clearly didn't learn their lesson and, yes, fuck them doubly so.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #34)

Tue May 3, 2022, 03:43 AM

38. +1

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #15)

Tue May 3, 2022, 11:59 AM

79. Fuck the crybaby bullshit egos.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:17 AM

16. Everyone...thought Hillary would win. Which she did in raw votes

..... But don't think it's fair to go back and blame. Those who caused probably blame themselves every single day.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #16)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:24 AM

28. I bet they don't. I bet they still think they'd won if only they'd won the primary. n/t

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #16)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:08 PM

81. Granted, it's anecdotal, but such people...

I know and have observed over the last five years are as belligerently unrepentant as Trump voters. Very similar mindset going on. Horseshoe effect.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:22 AM

17. Jill Stein works for Putin.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #17)

Tue May 3, 2022, 07:15 AM

48. Exactly. Bought and paid for.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:24 AM

18. Relitgating 2016 is about as constructive as whining about Manchin and Sinema

For blocking any chance to pack the Supreme Court.

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Response to TheRealNorth (Reply #18)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:35 AM

20. Because it is impossible...

...to learn from past mistakes.

But that's exactly what the Righties did in their successful plan of packing the court.

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Response to orwell (Reply #20)

Tue May 3, 2022, 07:00 AM

47. Spent HOURS trying to convince a male friend not to vote for Stein, and failed. He

maintained that he couldn't vote for Clinton because she was a neo-liberal. Was furious with him. Doubt he'll ever express regret. In fact, I knew more male Dems who couldn't vote for Clinton -- and went for Stein. (My female friends all supported Clinton.)

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:32 AM

19. 50 years of effort by the GOP to overturn Roe and your analysis is Jill fucking Stein?

Your argument is actually with republicans. Get with reality.

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Response to Duncan Grant (Reply #19)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:37 AM

21. My uber leftist brother voted for Jill Fucking Stein...

...He now regrets it.

So yes, you can learn from past mistakes...

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Response to orwell (Reply #21)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:57 AM

23. Well, thank your brother for the current Supreme Court (and minority rule).

Seriously though, itís not Jill Steinís fault. McConnell stopped Garland under Obama. How are progressives fucking up the Senate?

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Response to Duncan Grant (Reply #23)

Tue May 3, 2022, 03:23 AM

36. It's not Jill Stein's fault but it's her fucking brother's?

Imagine defending that Putin asset on this board of all places.

Ridiculous.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #36)

Tue May 3, 2022, 04:34 AM

41. Wha? Duh? (nt)

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Response to Duncan Grant (Reply #41)

Tue May 3, 2022, 05:39 AM

44. Yes, her brother's lone vote mattered more...

...than the election-swinging votes that Stein campaigned on and received, not to mention the other voters she got to sit out the election because of her lies about how Hillary and Trump were the same thing.

You defended Stein in one post and attacked her brother in another. Don't "duh?" at me if you can't even follow your own damn argument.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #44)

Tue May 3, 2022, 11:51 AM

71. Not Stein's brother, poster #21's brother (Orwell).

This really is a pointless exercise but Iíll give it another go... Iím commenting on post #21 (who is referencing his/her own brother ó not Steinís). If I have misunderstood orwellís post, then chalk it up to that.

Secondly, Iím not ďdefendingĒ Stein. Itís my contention 3rd party candidates didnít spoil the 2016 election. Read about it if youíre so inclined. Feel free to correct me as much as you like. Iím done here.

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Response to orwell (Reply #21)

Tue May 3, 2022, 09:57 PM

105. was he in a close state?

nt

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Response to Duncan Grant (Reply #19)

Tue May 3, 2022, 03:21 AM

35. A Republican wouldn't have been in a position to do this...

...if not for stupid asses on the left like Stein and the even stupider asses that voted for her or listened to that non-serious Putin puppet and thought Hillary was the same as Trump -- L O fucking L -- and refused to vote.

Fucking morons.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #35)

Tue May 3, 2022, 03:53 AM

40. +1

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Response to Duncan Grant (Reply #19)

Tue May 3, 2022, 09:22 AM

59. You really dont get it.

We all know where Republicans stand on this issue. The "Jill Fking Steins" are supposedly Progressives and supposedly mostly on our side especially regarding major issues like abortion rights. Yet for some stupid ignorant asinine reason, she and people like her decided to not support the candidate who would have certainly kept SCOTUS balanced and in so doing protect a women's right to choice. It boggles the mind.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #59)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:24 PM

82. Not all 3rd party votes are 'progressives'.

If there were no 3rd party candidacies in 2016, those votes would break differently for TFG and Hillary, right? We donít know how those votes would shake out. Weíll never know. Secondly, the republicans picked up six senate seats in 2016. McConnell leads the senate and after the Garland nomination fiasco, who knows how vacancies would have played out.

Iíd like to point fingers at Facebook, Robert and Rebekah Mercer, Cambridge Analytica, Russia and an electorate who canít tolerate trans kids, trans bathrooms, gay marriage and ďgun controlĒ. Thatís a legitimate argument, imho.

But some think Stein is the explanation and that progressives failed the country. As a lifelong progressive Democrat and Hillary supporter (both times), I donít think thatís true. And I do understand your point of view. I land on that square often.

I offer this for your consideration. Just more grist for the mill.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:54 AM

22. The enemy of good enough are not the problem

Yes, they are a problem, but the fact remains - what has happened is the result of many mistakes from many, many elections where people felt complacent.

Not just national, but also state and local. The biggest thing the GQP has been doing has been using their minority base and messaging to divide and turn off the majority with their absurd positions - to burn them out and make them not care and accept the movement of the goal posts to more and more extreme positions.

L-

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:00 AM

24. it started in 2000, when R's used the big court to pick a winner W

W picked a bunch of idiots for the court and he didn't win the election, they just stopped counting

Never forget that

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Response to RANDYWILDMAN (Reply #24)

Tue May 3, 2022, 07:19 AM

49. The U.S. experienced a coup in 2000 and nobody talks about it.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #49)

Tue May 3, 2022, 03:58 PM

103. +1

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:27 AM

29. Do not forget Susan Sarandon

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Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #29)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:01 PM

80. And fucking tulsi gabbard.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 03:15 AM

31. Its so infuriating remembering back then.

Those anti Hillary ďprogressivesĒ. They must be so proud now. Fools.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 03:28 AM

37. Those people don't care about abortion Rights . They are Happy with this as they see it as sticking

it to us for not supporting their fools .

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Response to JI7 (Reply #37)

Tue May 3, 2022, 05:36 AM

43. "Identity politics" mocking: "It is not good enough for someone to say 'I'm a woman! Vote for me!'"

Sticking it to the liberals, helping Republicans.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 06:21 AM

46. Yes indeed

Sadly soÖ

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 09:00 AM

53. Agree completely

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 09:10 AM

55. Protest voters are happy now that they achieved their goal of stripping rights from women.

Fuck protest voters. All of them can go to hell.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 09:12 AM

56. 100% NT

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 09:12 AM

57. Blaming it all on third party kooks conveniently takes the focus off the Democratic Party

There will always be third party kooks. The Democratic Party must do better. Whining about third party kooks is pointless.

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Response to Mysterian (Reply #57)

Tue May 3, 2022, 09:17 AM

58. What's wrong with the Democratic Party?

Wanting universal health care, equality, higher wages, etc., is bad?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #58)

Tue May 3, 2022, 09:24 AM

60. That's obtuse.

The problem with the party isn't the platform; It's the campaigning strategies.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #60)

Tue May 3, 2022, 09:31 AM

63. How?

Republicans know what Democrats want. Government helping people. They don't want government helping people. Why don't non-Republicans know that Democrats want government helping people? It's not obtuse.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #63)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:47 PM

96. Campaigning is salesmanship.

If people aren't voting for you, your pitch isn't working.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #96)

Wed May 4, 2022, 04:32 PM

112. Well then

So you need to be "sold" on voting. A good sales pitch. You can't look at the big picture and see well if republicans get control then X will happen and I don't want X to happen so I need to vote the other way. You need to be sales pitched to decide? Really? Wow. Just wow. Explains a LOT.

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Response to inthewind21 (Reply #112)

Thu May 5, 2022, 12:00 PM

119. Dude, what planet do you live on?

Do I need to be sold on voting? No. I'm a regular participant on a web forum for the Democratic Party. I am ipso facto orders of magnitude more engaged than your average voting-aged American.

They, however, do need to be sold on voting. I'm deeply sorry that offends your sensibilities, and while I take no pleasure in raining on your scold parade, you can't shame them into being better versions of themselves. They're lazy. They're stupid. They're apathetic. The stick won't work here. It never has. It never well. Give these fucking goobers the carrot and stop whining about it.

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Response to Mysterian (Reply #57)

Tue May 3, 2022, 09:56 AM

64. You miss the overall point.

The infuriating aspect of this is that these "Progressive" "3rd party kooks" and protest voters were supposedly on our side, especially regarding major issues like abortion rights, yet for some ignorant asinine reason these people decided to not support the candidate who would have certainly kept SCOTUS balanced and in so doing protect a women's right to choose. It boggles the mind.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #64)

Wed May 4, 2022, 02:29 PM

106. No, they're not on our side

Never have been; never will be.

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Response to Mysterian (Reply #106)

Wed May 4, 2022, 03:04 PM

108. "They" normally agree with "us" on major issues like abortion rights.

The people I am referring to as "they" are those who think we (typical Democrats) are not liberal or progressive enough. So certainly they support a women's right to choose.. and in 2016 they simply blew that off because they didn't like Hillary. That's the point being made.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 09:25 AM

61. 100%. And I'll throw into the mix everyone who can't seem to find it in their...

...schedule to vote at all. This is what a spectator democracy gets you.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 09:59 AM

65. And the "both parties are the same" assholes. Them too.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 11:00 AM

67. yep. Oh but you can't say that here.

 

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 11:16 AM

69. I totally agree and I don't know why you were "alerted on." If the votes that were wasted

on Bernie, Stein, et al had been for Hillary, we wouldn't be in this mess. There wouldn't be a right wing nutball SCOTUS. This is just the beginning. Next they'll go after gay marriage.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #69)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:04 PM

92. Yes, same sex marriage is next.

It's the next bone they're going to use to entice their extremist base. They're going to use this landmark victory, and Alito's decision to abolish our rights one by one again.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 11:52 AM

73. Fuck every single vanity voter. Fuck your egos.

Go directly to hell you fucking idiots.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:28 PM

83. Fuck all of you who sat out 2016 because you didn't LIKE Hillary

The president's job isn't to be liked. The president has to be competent. Hillary was unbelievably qualified.

I am specifically thinking about a co-worker who came to me the day after the election in 2016 to apologize (to me!) for not voting because he "didn't like" Hillary.

FUCK YOU. YOU ARE EVERYTHING WRONG WITH AMERICA TODAY.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:44 PM

86. In 2016 it was going to be Hillary or Hair Twitler

The latter was obviously a dire threat, and not just to women's rights.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:48 PM

88. Add some Nader voters to that list.

I'm always amazed how people can vote against their best interests.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:34 PM

95. In particular all the white women who made this happen

By voting for Trump, either by voting third party, or not voting. Fuck you.

Also Black woman activists are tired of us. Indigenous women activists are tired of us. Bipoc activists in general are tired of us.

This isnít your Momís generation. Yes I know there are plenty of white women who are not like Sarandon, who are not right wing, who are working hard to be anti-racist.

But we, white women as a powerful voting bloc, need to step it up.

I am in a safe city in a privileged state. I recognize this. Itís not enough to be safe

Thank you to ALL the women and men who called out all the cosplay Democrats over the years. I like to think You guys helped mitigate some of the damage.

To the rest? This is what slogan politics gets you.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 09:51 PM

104. While I sympathize -

I think you should hold most of your venom for the enemy (Republicans) not the fools (Stein voters.)

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Response to jimlup (Reply #104)

Thu May 5, 2022, 09:24 AM

117. The 'fools' gave R's the electoral votes.

 

Their entire campaign ran against the one person who would have prevented all of the misery since Nov 2016.

No one gave a shit about SC & Roe but HER.
No opposing candidate ever mentioned the SC & consequences of the loss of human rights, but Candidate Hillary Clinton.

No One. Well not until now, as we watch it "All Burn Down"

Who ran that relentless vile media smear campaign against HER, and never considered the SC urgent enough at that crucial time in history?

But now that same SC Rights issue they ignored in 2016, is a convenient campaign wedge for 2022/2024.
The same ones who ignored Her warnings in 2016.

The 2016 race was lost because of the electorate, by just a slim margin in 3 States.
And Stein & her Libertarian/Putin base were there in full force.

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Response to Budi (Reply #117)

Thu May 5, 2022, 06:26 PM

121. If you fixate on that we will lose

we have to recognize the situation now and not fight the last war

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Response to jimlup (Reply #121)

Thu May 5, 2022, 07:41 PM

122. Ya. Bullshit from the , "it's not our fault, It's now the DEMOCRATS fault!"

 

Haven't you heard?
Its the last thing they repeat as they 'move along'.
Not a whisper of ownership. Nope.

As they grab their soapbox & repeat the same campaign slogans that brought us to the edge of this catastrophy.

Their hypocracy it galling.

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Response to Budi (Reply #122)

Thu May 5, 2022, 09:11 PM

126. Really? You actually think I care?

Sorry I don't play the internet tit for tat...

If you think that the Stein voters are the problem you are wrong. They are a side show. We have to fight the real enemy.

The Stein voters were never with us and will never be so what does that have to do with anything? Go figure.....😎

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Response to jimlup (Reply #126)

Thu May 5, 2022, 09:27 PM

127. The electorate was lost by the same #'s of Stein votes.

 

Stein voters were most certainly a very big part of the problem.

As was her pal Putin. And his operation isn't finished with us yet.

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2022, 02:39 PM

107. Form the circular firing squad and blame the left, every time

 

and you wonder why some of them don't vote for Democrats.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #107)

Wed May 4, 2022, 04:11 PM

109. Stein's Lies Played a BIG Part in this

Shit.

💙💛

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #107)

Wed May 4, 2022, 04:36 PM

113. No

I don't wonder at all. It's clear as a bell.

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Response to inthewind21 (Reply #113)

Thu May 5, 2022, 08:57 PM

125. Truth is Truth.. Jill Stein's Lies RF

the General Election 2016.

💙💛

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #107)

Thu May 5, 2022, 09:17 AM

116. Bye.

 

Off to Ignore ....

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #107)

Thu May 5, 2022, 09:36 AM

118. They never were going to vote Democrat in the 1st place.

 

That's why they exist.

Their own organization said so publicly when they formed their opposition party.

"Burn it all down"

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2022, 04:12 PM

110. And, it wasn't even "perfect".. Stein LIED

her damn head off!

💙💛

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Response to Alpeduez21 (Original post)

Wed May 4, 2022, 10:37 PM

115. K&R!

All the deflection and lies arenít going to wipe our memories out and we saw it and know who did this.

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Response to Nixie (Reply #115)

Thu May 5, 2022, 03:47 PM

120. Exactly.. Stein's & Sarandon's Lies...

own this.

💙💛

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Response to Cha (Reply #120)

Thu May 5, 2022, 08:11 PM

123. Hi Cha!

Yes, their lies and those that enable and excuse them. Itís amazing the delusions and rejection of reality. Now we have Donald Trumpís Supreme Court when it should have been Hillaryís.

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Response to Nixie (Reply #123)

Thu May 5, 2022, 08:54 PM

124. yes, If Not for RF's Lies it would have

been Hillary's Supreme Court!

They said "it wasn't important"

Aloha, Nixie!

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