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Tue May 3, 2022, 01:53 PM

Could Collins and Murkowski make Manchin irrelevant re. filibuster?

Would they vote to end filibuster to codify reproductive rights?

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Reply Could Collins and Murkowski make Manchin irrelevant re. filibuster? (Original post)
LexVegas May 2022 OP
MANative May 2022 #1
ananda May 2022 #2
PoliticAverse May 2022 #3
NightWatcher May 2022 #4
ebbie15644 May 2022 #5
CrackityJones75 May 2022 #6
LexVegas May 2022 #8
CrackityJones75 May 2022 #10
obamanut2012 May 2022 #13
CrackityJones75 May 2022 #22
Mr.Bill May 2022 #7
DFW May 2022 #9
obamanut2012 May 2022 #11
SoonerPride May 2022 #12
50 Shades Of Blue May 2022 #14
agingdem May 2022 #15
Emile May 2022 #16
JustAnotherGen May 2022 #17
Irish_Dem May 2022 #18
herding cats May 2022 #19
qazplm135 May 2022 #20
Demsrule86 May 2022 #21
Arazi May 2022 #23
Polybius May 2022 #24
LexVegas May 2022 #25
Demsrule86 May 2022 #26
Diablo del sol May 2022 #27

Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:53 PM

1. Murkowski, maybe. Collins, no way. NT

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:53 PM

2. I see this more as bargaining leverage for them.

It's always been that for Collins anyway.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:54 PM

3. Only one way to find out for sure. n/t

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:54 PM

4. They won't vote w Dems. They only use "concern" as a cover. They're just as bad.

Silence is complicity. They are silent.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:54 PM

5. Pipe dream

They will issue their statements and do nothing. They have always understood the end game

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:56 PM

6. it is a nice dream

 

but it is a dream. We have to stop believing these people. They lie. Constantly. They arenít concerned. They ise that as cover to vote the way they were always going to vote.

Stop falling for it.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #6)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:57 PM

8. I ain't falling for shit, just asking a fucking question. Its a discussion board.

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #8)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:04 PM

10. ok.

 

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #6)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:05 PM

13. He isn't fallling for it

I know Lex IRL. He is just spitballing.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #13)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:50 PM

22. sure. I was too pointed.

 

I was too pointed and shouldnít have used the word You in that manner. I have just heard FAR too many times where we put our hopes on these people and they are never the people they make themselves out to be.

How many times have I heard the hope that Collins or Murkowski might save us?

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:56 PM

7. It's bad enough we have two Democrats who want to control the Senate.

We don't need two republicans who would want to do the same thing.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 01:58 PM

9. Collins can't be trusted for anything except for voting how McTurtle wants her to.

I read somewhere that she was surprised that Kavanaugh lied about how he would vote if Roe came up before him.

I also read Jack In The Beanstalk, and it had more credibility.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:04 PM

11. I will say it is possible, albeit many not probable

Murkowski would, even though she's up for reelection, because Alaska has protection for women to have abortions, and it isn't as much of a culture wars thing as it could be.

Collins is such a craven person I doubt she would, but I actually think she doesn't think Roe should be overturned.

So... maybe.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:05 PM

12. No.

That's your answer.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:16 PM

14. Collins knew damn well they were lying to her - if they even bothered to pretend they weren't.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:17 PM

15. they got royally fucked

they look like fools, and they are...Murkowski could have given Kavanaugh a thumbs-down, instead she voted a cowardly "present".... however, Kavanaugh's beer soaked pinky promise was good enough to buy a Collins vote...kind like Trump learning his lesson... that's right, Susie, a depraved sexual predator, a lying narcissistic amoral sociopath learned his lesson, alright... and what "lesson" would that be?...cue Brad Raffensperger..."I want to find 11,780 votes"...

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:20 PM

16. What do we have to lose holding a vote?

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:22 PM

17. I don't think so

At the end of the day - those two always fall in line for Mitch. Rarely do they ever leave his harem of faithfuls.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:28 PM

18. Collins is a lost cause.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:30 PM

19. Personally, I don't think so.

Murkowski is up for re-election and well maybe lose her seat as it sits. While Alaska isn't by majority anti-abortion it is by majority conservatives. They won't like the repeal of the filibuster and it would be weaponized against her. Successfully I expect.

Collins is going to do what she always does. Wring her hands, bemoan being duped and draw a line at repealing the filibuster. Oh, and point fingers at Justice I-Like-Beer for deceiving her. That's her out right there politically. I'm doubtful he even ever said that to her and it's not just something ginned up by McConnell which the other two went along with after the fact. Side note: she's not up for re-election until 2026. I'm skeptical she's even going to run again then. She's looking at her down the road strategy now and I'm betting that involves RW gigs she's been assured.

Then there's Sinema, Arizona isn't anti-abortion by majority, but there's a good chance she could wiggle out of supporting a repeal if the filibuster there handily. Toss out some blather about how this needs to be dealt with elsewhere and/or by other means and I think she'd be fine.

All while Manchin is heralded as a hero for his stance in his state.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:38 PM

20. Could sure

Would?

Lol

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:49 PM

21. No, they won't.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 02:59 PM

23. No

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 03:22 PM

24. All you need is one if it's only Manchin, not both

Manchin's no makes favoring changing filibuster rules for abortion 49-51. If Collins votes to change it, that brings it to 50-50, and the VP will be the tie-breaker. However, Sinema might not make this exception, and Casey (D-PA) has gone on record saying he opposes a federal abortion law.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #24)

Tue May 3, 2022, 03:36 PM

25. Was also thinking Sinema would be a problem. nt

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 05:12 PM

26. No, they won't.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 05:14 PM

27. IMO it doesn't matter

 

I donít think they will bend, but put them on the spot.

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