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...a Democratic U.S. House leader says party shouldn't shun abortion opponents (Original Post) I_have_a_cat_bite May 2022 OP
Excuse me? PoindexterOglethorpe May 2022 #1
Do you want to feel like you're right or Loki Liesmith May 2022 #3
I want to protect our rights. Voltaire2 May 2022 #24
Nice to know our rights can be bargained away by our allies to ensure a win for them. Autumn May 2022 #55
We don't win if we're imploding from inside. Baitball Blogger May 2022 #32
A huge percentage incorrectly think that overturning Roe makes abortion illegal nationwide Polybius May 2022 #70
Are you NOT paying attention??? Banning ALL abortion is what these woman- niyad May 2022 #77
Are you? Polybius May 2022 #79
So we don't shun them - Guaranteed win. Bookmarking. ck4829 May 2022 #73
I don't think we ought to shun them Vogon_Glory May 2022 #31
Big tent. Lots of issues. Lots of different views: Tomconroy May 2022 #2
Agreed padah513 May 2022 #5
Win what? A more broken government? Emile May 2022 #7
Okay atreides1 May 2022 #16
The big tent has people whose views are different than yours. Tomconroy May 2022 #21
How many federal judges would have been approved Tomconroy May 2022 #23
Big tent is messy, but better than politically correct small tent, - that loses elections empedocles May 2022 #20
Right on! Single issue litmus tests in local races will not lead to a Dem majority/governance. dutch777 May 2022 #22
Funny how the other party wins and enforces Voltaire2 May 2022 #25
Last time I checked Biden was still president. Tomconroy May 2022 #30
We won gay rights during those years and had choice because of Democrats JI7 May 2022 #36
Gay people won gay rights. Not Democrats. (nt) Duncan Grant May 2022 #39
Most Gay people are Democrats and it wouldn't have happened if republicans had been in office JI7 May 2022 #40
Gay people did the work. Duncan Grant May 2022 #50
That's always been the case. Doesn't change the fact that the democratic party JI7 May 2022 #51
If it's all the same to you, I'm giving the credit where credit is really due. Duncan Grant May 2022 #52
Yes, and it would not happen with Republicans in office JI7 May 2022 #53
You are inthewind21 May 2022 #58
A whole LOT of Gay Men are Republican and voted for Reagan then Bush et al msfiddlestix May 2022 #74
Congratulations on your 5,000 post milestone. niyad May 2022 #76
Thanks! 5000 loudmouth blasts and counting. Tomconroy May 2022 #80
Not sure... agingdem May 2022 #4
Manchin is not pro-choice FBaggins May 2022 #9
you're right..he's not.. agingdem May 2022 #10
"He owns us" yes... but that also answers the question in the OP FBaggins May 2022 #11
We need to own his ass. hamsterjill May 2022 #43
Really inthewind21 May 2022 #59
The House already passed the Womens Health Protection Act tirebiter May 2022 #6
Totally agree with you. Duppers May 2022 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m May 2022 #18
Back at ya, my critter-loving friend. Duppers May 2022 #19
Democrats have always stressed they're the "Big Tent" party Raine May 2022 #12
And that has gotten us right here Voltaire2 May 2022 #26
We are here because of people that don't think abortion rights are important like Ralph Nader JI7 May 2022 #35
Well that is one analysis. Voltaire2 May 2022 #64
They are opposed to abortion rights and focus their attacks in Democrats JI7 May 2022 #66
The handle on that hammer is getting awfully worn Sympthsical May 2022 #65
Yes I agree with you. mountain grammy May 2022 #13
I agree it is burned earth now. gibraltar72 May 2022 #14
more winning Slammer May 2022 #15
"There's not enough anti-abortion Democrats on Capitol Hill to fill a phone booth" BumRushDaShow May 2022 #27
I thought the right for a woman privacy was in Emile May 2022 #17
I'm beyond pissed at Clyburn AntivaxHunters May 2022 #28
Haven't we learned by now that compromising gets us kicked in the teeth? Novara May 2022 #29
I don't see a problem. tavernier May 2022 #33
We can't shun them because there aren't enough pro choice people in this country JI7 May 2022 #34
I'm willing to accommodate the oppression of women to win elections. Duncan Grant May 2022 #37
Bravo inthewind21 May 2022 #60
That's right, Democrats. Pull your punches, one more time. Paladin May 2022 #38
It has , MAnchin is anti choice but we need his seat to hold the Senate which helps us confirm JI7 May 2022 #42
Sucking up to Manchin just delays the inevitable for a short while. Paladin May 2022 #44
No we aren't JI7 May 2022 #49
I can't help inthewind21 May 2022 #61
We do control the Senate . That's how we got the voter on Supreme Court Justice JI7 May 2022 #67
Well, shit. Act_of_Reparation May 2022 #68
Who said everything was great ? The part about getting this justice JI7 May 2022 #69
I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Act_of_Reparation May 2022 #72
Our big tent includes pro choice, not anti abortion. BoomaofBandM May 2022 #41
Fine Mz Pip May 2022 #45
+1 Mad_Machine76 May 2022 #48
I had a DFL congressman who was anti-abortion. He's one of the smiling old white men WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #46
No Mad_Machine76 May 2022 #47
He's wrong. Deadly wrong. There is no place in the party for ANYONE who is anti choice. Autumn May 2022 #54
Cuellar was hand picked by Republican businessmen in Texas. hamsterjill May 2022 #56
His name is Rep. Clyburn. aocommunalpunch May 2022 #57
just as we won't condone racists WhiteTara May 2022 #62
Ugh. His district is where Lizelle Herrera was charged with murder. gldstwmn May 2022 #63
Primary these folks on this issue and see how it goes. That's how it works in our country. jalan48 May 2022 #71
I'm not going to say what I think AntivaxHunters May 2022 #75
I understand what Rep. Clyburn is saying. But, as a woman who supports, niyad May 2022 #78

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,750 posts)
1. Excuse me?
Thu May 5, 2022, 04:08 AM
May 2022

The Democratic party should welcome and embrace abortion opponents? How many of those abortion opponents have ever been pregnant? How many could possibly become pregnant in the future?

Oh, and do those abortion opponents also oppose the death penalty? Really? Why not? How about gun control? I guess life only needs to be protected before birth, but not after.

Baitball Blogger

(46,576 posts)
32. We don't win if we're imploding from inside.
Thu May 5, 2022, 08:47 AM
May 2022

70% of the public support Roe v. Wade. We do not advance our cause by diluting the passion of our beliefs.

Polybius

(15,239 posts)
70. A huge percentage incorrectly think that overturning Roe makes abortion illegal nationwide
Sat May 7, 2022, 04:53 PM
May 2022

I live in NY and saw several co-workers furious about the issue the other day, thinking that abortion will be banned. When I told them that it just means that states can choose to ban them and that they will remain legal here, they all pretty much said "whew, that's a sigh of relief!"

Once people realize that it's not gonna ban abortion nationwide, the percentage significantly drops.

niyad

(112,440 posts)
77. Are you NOT paying attention??? Banning ALL abortion is what these woman-
Mon May 9, 2022, 01:00 PM
May 2022

hating gestational slavers intend, and have announced, that they intend to do at first opportunity. Then all forms of contraception. This leaked decision is only onevsalvo in their ongoing WAR ON WOMEN.

Polybius

(15,239 posts)
79. Are you?
Mon May 9, 2022, 01:05 PM
May 2022

I'm simply talking about what a repeal of Roe would mean, not what they "could" ban next. If overturned, it would mean that states get to ban it, but they don't have to. I know Mitch said an abortion ban is possible.

Vogon_Glory

(9,086 posts)
31. I don't think we ought to shun them
Thu May 5, 2022, 08:36 AM
May 2022

As a political tactic, I don’t think we ought to shun them. The Democratic Party is a grand coalition, after all.

On the other hand, I don’t want them dictating policy to the rest of us. To that end, I think we need to elect enough pro-choice progressive Democrats so that their anti-choice views are irrelevant.

padah513

(2,483 posts)
5. Agreed
Thu May 5, 2022, 05:25 AM
May 2022

I was saying the same thing about Nina Turner. Nobody in the party opposed her for having a different view, they opposed her for trying to tear down anybody in the party who had a view that differed from her own. Henry Cuellar has a D behind his name so I respect his point of view, but I believe he has a primary opponent, I don't know her name, who is a better fit, especially with all that's going on with the all-out assault against women's rights.

atreides1

(16,047 posts)
16. Okay
Thu May 5, 2022, 06:48 AM
May 2022

That's a bit of a stretch!

The issues should be about the needs of the American people...unlike Manchin who is only concerned with his wallet...or Sinema who loves to rub elbows with big business that mostly shit on a lot of her constituents...Cuellar who wants to deny women bodily autonomy!

This big tent has rats in it...

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
21. The big tent has people whose views are different than yours.
Thu May 5, 2022, 07:32 AM
May 2022

How many federal judges would have been approved without them?

dutch777

(2,871 posts)
22. Right on! Single issue litmus tests in local races will not lead to a Dem majority/governance.
Thu May 5, 2022, 07:36 AM
May 2022

As much as I support abortion rights, and many other progressive values, we have to keep getting Dems elected in places where that is a toss up not a sure thing. Being too hard and fast, given local sentiment on any given issue, will put us and keep us in the minority (along with gerrymandering and a host of other obstacles). Politics is a messy and less than pure business.

Voltaire2

(12,631 posts)
25. Funny how the other party wins and enforces
Thu May 5, 2022, 07:55 AM
May 2022

ideological conformity.

We’ve played this ‘big tent’ game for 40 years and I’m tired of all the winning.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
36. We won gay rights during those years and had choice because of Democrats
Thu May 5, 2022, 08:54 AM
May 2022

including anti choice democrats like Manchin which help us control Senate and get confirmation for judges .



Duncan Grant

(8,258 posts)
50. Gay people did the work.
Thu May 5, 2022, 10:20 AM
May 2022

I remember well all those democrats who were either silent or equivocators. I remember when democrats would never claim they gave gay people any kind of victory. I think it’s important to remember that.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
51. That's always been the case. Doesn't change the fact that the democratic party
Thu May 5, 2022, 11:09 AM
May 2022

is where progress was made on many issues and wouldn't have happened with republicans.

Duncan Grant

(8,258 posts)
52. If it's all the same to you, I'm giving the credit where credit is really due.
Thu May 5, 2022, 11:20 AM
May 2022

Democrats failed on LGBT issues time and time again. There were many opportunities to do the right thing. Eventually, with all the heavy lifting completed by LGBTQI+ people, it was politically safe to take a stand.

That’s the reality.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
53. Yes, and it would not happen with Republicans in office
Thu May 5, 2022, 11:23 AM
May 2022

As we see in Florida.

It happened with Democrats.

msfiddlestix

(7,266 posts)
74. A whole LOT of Gay Men are Republican and voted for Reagan then Bush et al
Mon May 9, 2022, 11:16 AM
May 2022

Gay Women/Lesbians mostly voted for Dems, but I personally am acquainted with economically well off Lesbians who are actually Republican and also tend to vote Republican cuz tazes. Not informed as to their vote in 2016.

It was shocking to me at the time I learned this. And I've always been mystified by the so-called "Log Cabin" Republicans. But when I became personally familiar and discovered the wealth gap, and had to hear about their rationalizations as to their political proclivities, that was an eye opener.








agingdem

(7,759 posts)
4. Not sure...
Thu May 5, 2022, 05:12 AM
May 2022

We have "Democrat" Joe Manchin..blocked a senate bill to secure abortion rights/ruled out changing the filibuster to protect Roe v Wade ..but he's pro-choice.."Democrat" Krysten Sinema will not back a bill killing the filibuster to protect Roe v Wade, loses endorsement of NARAL but she's pro-choice...however, both doomed Build Back Better, are pro big business, voted no to a filibuster carve-out for the John Lewis Voting Rights Bill...so if the party includes Democratic abortion opponents but they support doing away with the filibuster, support voting rights, support Build Back Better...which is better or is it a draw?

FBaggins

(26,697 posts)
11. "He owns us" yes... but that also answers the question in the OP
Thu May 5, 2022, 06:15 AM
May 2022

We don't really have the luxury of rejecting votes that agree with us on some issues and not others.

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
43. We need to own his ass.
Thu May 5, 2022, 09:45 AM
May 2022

There needs to be a concentrated effort to make him less interested in grandstanding and no, I don’t give a damn what that takes.

Don’t ask me to describe anything. But there are ways and we all know it.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
59. Really
Thu May 5, 2022, 12:05 PM
May 2022

So make a deal with the devil to get MAYBE a scrap. Yes, that's works out so well to this point yes? Just look at all this winning!!

tirebiter

(2,520 posts)
6. The House already passed the Womens Health Protection Act
Thu May 5, 2022, 05:37 AM
May 2022

Despite Henry Cuellar and whoever else is antiabortion for whatever reason.

Response to Duppers (Reply #8)

Raine

(30,540 posts)
12. Democrats have always stressed they're the "Big Tent" party
Thu May 5, 2022, 06:19 AM
May 2022

verses a purist party like the Republicans, so we become more like them if we do that.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
35. We are here because of people that don't think abortion rights are important like Ralph Nader
Thu May 5, 2022, 08:52 AM
May 2022

Tulsi Gabbard, and other fake "progressives" that attack democrats during election time to help republicans win.

Voltaire2

(12,631 posts)
64. Well that is one analysis.
Sat May 7, 2022, 10:25 AM
May 2022

I’m sure Gabbard would be thrilled to know she has such power over the electorate.

Just maybe there are other reasons why we are n this situation?

JI7

(89,182 posts)
66. They are opposed to abortion rights and focus their attacks in Democrats
Sat May 7, 2022, 10:56 AM
May 2022

that support abortion rights.

We saw what happened in 2016 with Tuldi Gabbard lying about the DNC and helping push the attacks from Republicans and Russia.

Sympthsical

(8,936 posts)
65. The handle on that hammer is getting awfully worn
Sat May 7, 2022, 10:30 AM
May 2022

But I also mistake flowers for nails from time to time. They look so much alike.

Slammer

(714 posts)
15. more winning
Thu May 5, 2022, 06:47 AM
May 2022

There's not enough anti-abortion Democrats on Capitol Hill to fill a phone booth. So there's no reason to shun them or read them out of the party.

Now if they're reaching Manchin-levels of obstructionism and single-handedly blocking a Democrat administration's agenda, then you can argue that they're a problem.

By deliberately ostracizing such lawmakers over abortion, you're making it less likely that the (admittedly few) anti-abortion Democrats will come out to vote for you in the mid-terms. And you're making it less likely that the (admittedly many) anti-abortion Independents and Republicans will come out to vote for you in the mid-terms.

There's a lot of Independents and Republicans who are fed up by the Trumpists and who don't have their belief on the abortion issue at the top of their list of important issues.

Those people have winnable votes unless we deliberately go out of our way to make it clear that they have no place in voting for Democrat candidates.

Hell, I have family members who are against abortion but who are going to go out and vote a straight Democrat ticket. At least unless someone tells them to go away and get lost because their kind of people aren't wanted as Democrat voters.

BumRushDaShow

(127,330 posts)
27. "There's not enough anti-abortion Democrats on Capitol Hill to fill a phone booth"
Thu May 5, 2022, 08:05 AM
May 2022

I remember back in 2010, there were at least 12 of them who along with Bart Stupak (remember him?) refused to vote for the ACA unless abortion access had some kind of restriction, which initially meant that the "Hyde Amendment" wasn't enough. There were actually 64 Democrats who voted for Stupak's "Amendment".

Could Issue of Abortion Derail Health Care Bill?

Rep. Stupak says he won't vote for bill if it contains Senate abortion language.

By HUMA KHAN
March 4, 2010, 6:40 AM


WASHINGTON, March 4, 2010— -- Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., today said he and 11 other House members will not vote for the health care bill unless it includes more stringent language to prevent federal funding from going toward abortion services. "We're not going to vote for this bill with that kind of language," Stupak told "Good Morning America's" George Stephanopoulos today, referring to the Senate health care bill, which includes less restrictive language than what the Democratic lawmaker proposed in the House.

Stupak said he is willing to take the criticism that will be hurled at him if he blocks the bill because of the abortion language, but that he won't back down on his principles. "I want to see health care pass. I agree... people are being priced out of the market. We must have health care but, boy, there are some principles and beliefs that some of us are not going to pass," he said. "We're prepared to take the responsibility. I mean, I've been catching it ever since last fall. Let's face it, I want to see health care. But we're not going to bypass some principles and beliefs that we feel strongly about."

The ongoing abortion debate threatens to stall the health care bill and reflects the deep divide among Democrats. White House press secretary Robert Gibbs today said the president would like to see the House pass the health care bill before he departs for his international trip on March 18, but that does include passing the "fixes" that the White House has proposed.House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., today said that the bill makes no changes to the existing law on abortion.

"There is no change in the access to abortion, no more no less. It is abortion neutral," Pelosi told reporters. "If you believe that there should be no federal funding for abortion, and if you believe that there should be no change in policy... we will pass the bill." Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius told Stephanopoulos on "GMA" that the bill is not about abortion, but about changing the health care system to ease the burden on families and small businesses facing skyrocketing insurance premiums.

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/HealthCare/abortion-issue-derail-obama-democrats-health-care-efforts/story?id=10006591


Bart Stupak, A Year After Health Care: Getting 'Bitched Out' in Airports, How the Deal Went Down, and More

By Chris Good
March 23, 2011

Former congressman Bart Stupak was the lynchpin of health reform's passage, and he paid a price for it in the end.
The pro-life, Michigan Democrat led a small but powerful bloc of Democratic lawmakers to oppose the bill because of its language on federal funding of abortions. Seemingly at the last minute, Stupak and the White House hammered out a compromise, his pro-life allies supported the bill, and it passed by a thin margin.

After that, Stupak received a death threat. Facing outside spending in his district and a vitriolic political climate, he decided not to run for reelection. Now, he's a visiting fellow at Harvard's Institute of Politics.

On health care reform's first birthday, Stupak told The Atlantic about getting "bitch[ed] out" by angry citizens in airports, how he and President Obama reached the deal that secured the bill's passage, and that Rahm Emanuel knows better than to get in his face.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/03/bart-stupak-a-year-after-health-care-getting-bitched-out-in-airports-how-the-deal-went-down-and-more/72938/


Per this, there were 6 others with him at the time of his announcement of finally agreeing to it (of that group, there is still one still in Congress - Marcy Kaptur) - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stupak-to-vote-yes-on-health-care-bill/

Stupak was joined at the press conference by six other lawmakers, including Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH), who had said previously she would vote yes, and Kathy Dahlkemper (D-PA), Nick Rahall (D-WV), Alan Mollohan (D-WV), Steve Driehaus (D-OH), Joe Donnelly (D-IN), who all said they would now be yes votes.


After he left congress, he was a huge supporter of Hobby Lobby (and their case).

There are still some in there and I hate to say. Below were some remaining post-ACA after trying to torpedo the ACA to forbid abortion services (bolded are still sitting members of Congress) -

Colin Peterson MN-07
Jim Cooper TN-05
Dan Lipinski IL-03
Stephen Lynch MA-08
Sanford Bishop GA-02
Jim Costa CA-16
Henry Cuellar TX-28
Jim Langevin RI-02
Tim Ryan OH-13
Richard Neal MA-01
Marcy Kaptur OH-09
Mike Doyle PA-14


(we know Tim Ryan just won the primary to run for Senate in OH)

And the one about to get a laser focus includes my own Senator, whose father was the defendant (as Governor) in Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

Granted, Bob Casey, Jr. is definitely NOT his father and has been much more moderate on the issue. But I know some of the local (and probably national) media have started to bubble about it...

If Roe v. Wade falls, Pennsylvania’s pro-life Sen. Bob Casey becomes a linchpin for abortion rights

He was one of two Dems who didn’t join 48 other senators in co-sponsoring the Women’s Health Protection Act.


Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., speaks during a news conference on Capitol Hill in December 2021 Carolyn Kaster / AP Photo

Lizzy McLellan Ravitch
May. 03, 2022, 1:15 p.m.


Bob Casey is an outlier among his Democratic colleagues in the U.S. Senate. As a pro-life Democrat, he wants to limit the number of abortions that take place in the U.S. — but he also doesn’t approve of Republicans’ recent attempts to weaponize the issue. A draft of a U.S. Supreme Court decision leaked Monday night, indicating a likelihood that the justices will vote to overturn Roe v. Wade. Casey responded to the leaked opinion in a statement Tuesday afternoon.

“If this draft opinion becomes the final opinion of the Court, I have serious concerns about what overturning almost 50 years of legal precedent will mean for women in states passing near or total bans on abortion,” Casey said. “Congress should be working to reduce the number of abortions and unintended pregnancies and doing much more to support women and families.”

After the SCOTUS draft leaked, pro-choice advocates renewed calls for federal lawmakers to pass a law that would preserve abortion rights. The U.S. House of Representatives passed the Women’s Health Protection Act last fall. The Senate then voted in late February, but the act failed to get majority support.

Just two of the 50 sitting Democratic senators held back from co-sponsoring the bill. One was West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, who ultimately joined Republicans (as he has on other issues) and voted against moving the act forward. The other holdout who declined to sponsor the bill was Casey, who has throughout his political career described himself as a pro-life Democrat. His father, former Pa. Gov. Bob Casey Sr., was famously pro-life.

https://billypenn.com/2022/05/03/bob-casey-abortion-senate-pro-life-democrat-scotus/


The entire thing above is just to make people aware because some of these people ARE getting pounded by some of their constituents now.

tavernier

(12,322 posts)
33. I don't see a problem.
Thu May 5, 2022, 08:48 AM
May 2022

I know many people who are personally opposed to abortion but adamant that they don’t have the right to tell another woman what to do with her body or her beliefs.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
34. We can't shun them because there aren't enough pro choice people in this country
Thu May 5, 2022, 08:50 AM
May 2022

by that I mean people that vote based on this issue. Many so called progressives don't think this issue is important enough to vote on as we saw with what happened in 2000 and then again in 2016 and many other elections.

Until we can get more people that vote based on the importance of choice we need anti choice people like Manchin who has voted with Democrats on most judges including SC which helps us protect this.

Duncan Grant

(8,258 posts)
37. I'm willing to accommodate the oppression of women to win elections.
Thu May 5, 2022, 09:04 AM
May 2022

You should realize by now just how self-serving, unprincipled and spineless I really am — or as I like to call it, pragmatism. Thank you for supporting me (and not you) calling the shots.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
42. It has , MAnchin is anti choice but we need his seat to hold the Senate which helps us confirm
Thu May 5, 2022, 09:39 AM
May 2022

Judges including SC Judges which decide these cases .

There are not enough pro choice people in the country for only pro choice people to make a difference.

Paladin

(28,204 posts)
44. Sucking up to Manchin just delays the inevitable for a short while.
Thu May 5, 2022, 09:55 AM
May 2022

We're going to end up fighting in the streets against trump's goon forces, to save what remains of our democracy. That's where things stand at this point.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
61. I can't help
Thu May 5, 2022, 12:14 PM
May 2022

But chuckle when I hear "We need Manchin to keep control of the Senate." Anyone who thinks the DEMS currently control the Senate is delusional. Doing the same thing over and over and over and expecting a different result.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
67. We do control the Senate . That's how we got the voter on Supreme Court Justice
Sat May 7, 2022, 11:00 AM
May 2022

Republican control of the Senate was why Garland never got a vote even though he would have been confirmed if a voter was allowed .

JI7

(89,182 posts)
69. Who said everything was great ? The part about getting this justice
Sat May 7, 2022, 04:39 PM
May 2022

is better than not getting one or Republicans getting one.

I know there are people that don't actually care about this issue though pretending to care .

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
72. I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
Mon May 9, 2022, 10:53 AM
May 2022

For clarity, here's what I'm taking issue with:

"We control the senate"

Nominally, yes, we control the senate. But since we don't have enough votes to pass major legislation, we don't really control the Senate in practical terms.

Mz Pip

(27,404 posts)
45. Fine
Thu May 5, 2022, 10:01 AM
May 2022

Just as long as their anti-abortion beliefs just stay personal. Biden personally opposes abortion but believes women have the right to make their own decisions.

Being personally opposed to abortion is one thing. Voting for anti-abortion laws is another.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,153 posts)
46. I had a DFL congressman who was anti-abortion. He's one of the smiling old white men
Thu May 5, 2022, 10:06 AM
May 2022

surrounding George W. Bush as he signs the so-called Partial-Birth Abortion Bill in 2003. He was an outstanding congressman except for that stance. I was happy to vote for him because every other position he held was solidly in line with mine, and his seniority gave his mostly rural district an outsized influence at capital investment time.

I don't see anti-abortion Democrats like that anymore, who are happy to increase social spending and public investment. I see anti-abortion Democrats who are Republican Lite on other stances as well. So if I'm against an anti-abortion Democrat, it's because they're against other things I believe in as well. I do not want them anywhere near the federal level or in state executive offices.

Autumn

(44,765 posts)
54. He's wrong. Deadly wrong. There is no place in the party for ANYONE who is anti choice.
Thu May 5, 2022, 11:26 AM
May 2022

Very disappointed knowing what is happening to see a legend not standing with women and their rights.

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
56. Cuellar was hand picked by Republican businessmen in Texas.
Thu May 5, 2022, 11:36 AM
May 2022

There should be NO Democrat unwilling to support choice. End of story.

aocommunalpunch

(4,223 posts)
57. His name is Rep. Clyburn.
Thu May 5, 2022, 12:02 PM
May 2022

Not some random Dem House leader. He wants to back this anti-choice nonsense? Fine. Make him own it. He's not being subtle.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
75. I'm not going to say what I think
Mon May 9, 2022, 11:59 AM
May 2022

because I'm not sure my comments wouldn't get me in trouble.
It's not just Clyburn though. And I'm absolutely livid & pissed as hell.

niyad

(112,440 posts)
78. I understand what Rep. Clyburn is saying. But, as a woman who supports,
Mon May 9, 2022, 01:03 PM
May 2022

defends, and demands full autonomy for women, the fact that we have Dems who do not support more than half the population makes me ill.

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