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Sat May 7, 2022, 06:29 AM

The Idea Of Leaving Abortion Rights "Up to the States". . .

. . . Isn't just gas lighting bullshit, it's the antitheist of the American identity.

It's one thing for a state to decide that undercoating has to be included in the features of a newly sold car in, say, Michigan, while California might pass a law requiring dealerships to let buyers opt out of that feature. Those states have different climates that impact people's lives and material goods in specific ways. Similarly, building codes and fireworks availability can vary from state-to-state because of differences in not only climate and terrain but also ease of access to public services like fire departments and the like.

There are times and circumstances when states should have the final say in the laws that serve their distinct populations. But not when it comes to the central rights afforded to the people. We already went through the insanity of thinking that human beings could be owned as property in some states across this country but not in others. We endured the stupidity of allowing some states to pretend that two people of the same sex could have a legal wedding somewhere else in the country but somehow not be married while in their particular state.

The notion that one state can not only ban abortions but somehow tell a person that they can't travel to another state to have a medical procedure that is legal in that other state is beyond ridiculous. Do Texas and Oklahoma et al OWN the women who live within their borders? Are they somehow allowed to tell people where and when they can move? Are they going to require pregnancy tests for breeding age women heading over the state line for job interviews?

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness--which includes bodily autonomy--are the absolute bedrock of our founding principles as a nation. No state legislature can interfere with these rights and have any claim to be true to American principles. This is not a free country if people can have rights that disappear when traveling from one state to another.

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Reply The Idea Of Leaving Abortion Rights "Up to the States". . . (Original post)
Collimator May 2022 OP
Irish_Dem May 2022 #1
evolves May 2022 #11
Ferrets are Cool May 2022 #12
TNNurse May 2022 #2
secondwind May 2022 #3
OldBaldy1701E May 2022 #4
sinkingfeeling May 2022 #5
niyad May 2022 #6
keithbvadu2 May 2022 #14
Pacifist Patriot May 2022 #16
forthemiddle May 2022 #7
niyad May 2022 #8
UGADawg May 2022 #9
NowISeetheLight May 2022 #10
Tommymac May 2022 #13
Wounded Bear May 2022 #15
BlueIdaho May 2022 #17

Response to Collimator (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2022, 07:13 AM

1. The only role of the federal government will be to subsidize red states.

Each state will be its own country.

Putin and the GOP are successful in breaking up the US.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #1)

Sat May 7, 2022, 09:15 AM

11. I would dispute that statement--

The only role of the federal government will be to enforce these draconian laws and fill the coffers of the 0.1%

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #1)

Sat May 7, 2022, 09:17 AM

12. Wow, what a cogent statement.

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Response to Collimator (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2022, 07:37 AM

2. This is states rights...they want to live in the CSA.

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Response to Collimator (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2022, 08:05 AM

3. This shit is getting really crazy....




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Response to Collimator (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2022, 08:36 AM

4. All of this is true... but...

What do you suppose the situation will be if they do this and it turns out most of the states in fact do want to have abortion rights in their state charter. That, in fact, even some of the red states decide that they prefer to have them protected. Then what is the central rethug think tank going to do?

Similarly, building codes and fireworks availability can vary from state-to-state because of differences in not only climate and terrain but also ease of access to public services like fire departments and the like.


Actually, it is that the builders cannot be trusted to do things properly due to greed being an acceptable practice here. Also it is that most people are idiots and cannot be trusted to take the necessary precautions. I understand what you are saying, but the reasons behind their consideration of the climate and the services is that people will get drunk and start setting off those things without even getting a cup of water to keep handy.

Lastly, it was and is a more free country than some but it was never 'free'... maybe out west during the mid to late 1800s. Just because the repression was originally coming from religion rather than government does not change that.

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Response to Collimator (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2022, 08:43 AM

5. All regulation of abortion should be between a woman and her doctor.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #5)

Sat May 7, 2022, 08:48 AM

6. Exactly.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #5)

Sat May 7, 2022, 09:54 AM

14. Gynotician

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #5)

Sat May 7, 2022, 08:37 PM

16. The regulation of abortion should be the same ...

as the regulation of vasectomy or a heart valve replacement. Procedure must be done by a licensed medical professional. That's it. Done.

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Response to Collimator (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2022, 08:48 AM

7. Can't the same be said about the death penalty?

Itís a slippery slope that was already started when the death penalty abolition was overturned.
I donít really see a difference.

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Response to Collimator (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2022, 08:49 AM

8. KNR

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Response to Collimator (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2022, 09:11 AM

9. Should school integration be left up tp the states too?

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Response to UGADawg (Reply #9)

Sat May 7, 2022, 09:15 AM

10. Obviously

After all there was no deeply rooted historical tradition of desegregation. Thus using Alito-logic Brown vs. Topeka was an invented right.

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Response to Collimator (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2022, 09:24 AM

13. We fought AND WON a War to insure Federal Authority over States Rights.

Now an Authoritarian/Theocracy based/RW corrupt Supreme Court is trying to undo that and make the ultimate sacrifice that all those who fought and died for the Constitution and Human Rights irrelevant.

Fuck States Rights and the Horse those 5 racist misogynistic hateful awful uncaring Justices rode in on.

Our Constitution cannot survive unless we negate their power.

Past time to add 4 more Justices to the court.

Are you listening Nancy? Chuck? Mr. President?

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Response to Collimator (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2022, 09:57 AM

15. Yep, because that worked so well with slavery and with civil rights...

"States rights" has always been used to justify and defend the most odious practices in American history.

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Response to Collimator (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2022, 08:53 PM

17. If the SC has decided states should decide constitutional issues

What do we need a Supreme Court for? Disband the court.

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