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(8,318 posts)hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,816 posts)All too often here on DU people will dismiss the stock market as a Ponzi scheme, which only shows they have not a clue how the market actually works. The digital "currencies" are pretty much the definition of a Ponzi scheme, and anyone who has invested in them is simply a day trader hoping to score big on a short "investment."
Dorian Gray
(13,479 posts)of everyone in that market.
People were really hoping to make it rich.
But, a digital currency doesn't HAVE to be a ponzi scheme.
Demovictory9
(32,421 posts)Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)Demovictory9
(32,421 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,479 posts)bitcoin is a better investment than an NFT, and i think both are ridiculous.
JCMach1
(27,553 posts)Give me a break. The market is massively down as a whole on China, Russia, The Fed, and tech stock concerns.
Might want to check your 401K for your Ponzi scheme
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)Charlie Ellis.
I'm really serious about this. 100 pages, easy reading.
Started investing in the 1980s. I'm retired now and still an investor. I lived through Oct. 1987 (down 25 percent in one day), the dot com crash (down 50 percent over three years) and the great recession (down 50 percent in a year).
You gotta buy them when they're cheap. If you invest some every paycheck over the years and don't panic you do pretty well.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,816 posts)1979. Same thing about living through various downturns. Ditto on still investing.
Every so often I can give myself a small raise, and I'm more comfortable financially than I ever have been.
Amishman
(5,554 posts)in a few years, it will likely ride again. My suspicion is that it will be more functional and energy efficient competitors that shine when that happens. (Ethereum, Tezos, Cardano, etc)
Precipice_dweller
(8 posts)Looking at the valuation of any cryptocurrency over a 6 month period misses the point. Sure, the market bounces around and the peaks and valleys are extreme. It's speculative and not a sound retirement plan.
But, bashing on crypto just to bash crypto is short-sighted. One, several cryptocurrencies provide real-world, tangible value. VeChain is a good example. I was first attracted to it because it provided a means for businesses to track parts. Ripple, if memory serves, provides faster transaction rates which is of interest to banking institutions. Meme-coins are easy to point to and laugh, but there are some currencies out there based on solid foundational principles. And, while we snicker at the sharp decline in the valuation of Bitcoin, let's not forget it's still valued at over 30 grand a pop.
Crypto does draw a lot of people looking to get rich. These people might invest in more traditional markets if they had any reason to have faith in those markets. There's a disgusting percentage of the over-50 demographic that isn't going to be able to retire. There's a disgusting percentage of the population that sees no way to own a home. There's a disgusting percentage of the population that has lost everything due to medical bills. The reason crypto draws an audience is because so many people see no other way to achieve financial security in their lifetimes.
Then you have to factor in anonymity. Some of the value there comes from illicit uses on the "dark" web. But some of it also comes from people being sick and tired of paying taxes on earnings when it's obvious that the rich and shameless aren't paying their fair share. Why the hell should I pay taxes on earnings when Exxon pays zip? Traditional markets are not an even playing field.
In terms of those illicit uses: something like half of the merchandise on the dark web is drugs. Some of that is purely recreational. But, why are people using crypto to pay for marijuana in this day and age? Thanks Reagan, that war on drugs went so well. Just say no! It isn't all weed, though. A lot of it is pain medication. The latest "Opiod Crisis" is just an extension of the war on drugs. People with chronic pain aren't being prescribed medications that adequately manage their pain. So, they get what they need where they can get it. It's not cut and dry. I have no idea what percentage of purchases are made for what we would call legitimate reasons. But, there's something that our culture is doing that makes crypto appealing.
As to NFTs, even OpenSea estimates that 95% of its listings are garbage. The appeal there, though, is ownership. So many of us spend so much time in the digital realm, it makes sense to want to own a piece of it. Tune back in twenty years to see how that goes. There is one venue where it makes a lot of sense, though: gaming. Gamers tend to have a lot of time on their hands and disposable income. A sizeable portion of the NFT market is devoted to creating gaming assets, digital creations that can be used in games. That's a market that isn't going away.
And (shameless plug), some NFTs are becoming a bit more innovative in their design and purpose: https://roll-of-the-dice-nft.com/
Crypto is risky, but it isn't as hare-brained as it would have been 10 years ago. Hell, I turned $100 into $1,200 over the course of 1 year and I am not the savviest of investors. I just don't know of any other way to achieve financial security in my lifetime.