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A domestic supply of infants is exactly what the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment intended to abolish.
True. But the footnote reflects something profoundly wrong with the new ethos of care arguments advanced by Republicans who want to emphasize compassion instead of cruelty after the Dobbs fallout. Footnote 46, quantifying the supply/demand mismatch of babies, follows directly on another footnote in the opinion approvingly citing the logic raised at oral argument in December by Justice Amy Coney Barrett, who mused that there is no meaningful hardship in conscripting women to remain pregnant and deliver babies in 2022 because safe haven laws allow them to drop those unwanted babies off at the fire station for other parents to adopt.
Second only to the creeping chatter of state birth control bans, the speedy pivot to celebrating forced birth and adoption is chilling. Its chilling not just because it discounts the extortionate emotional and financial costs of childbirth and the increased medical risks of forced childbirth. Its chilling because it lifts us out of a discussion about privacy and bodily autonomy and into a regime in which babies are a commodity and pregnant people are vessels in which to incubate them. If this sounds like a familiar, albeit noxious, economic concept its because it is.
The economics of chattel slavery itself reflects a long sordid history of using womens bodies to incubate babies for the benefit of others, and its no exaggeration to say that the Fourteenth Amendments guarantees of substantive due process much derided by Republicans and Alito was an effort to put an end that practice. References to safe havens and the depleted domestic supply of adoptable babies are terrifying because this is exactly what the Fourteenth Amendment sought to curtail.
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delisen
(6,042 posts)...Justice Amy Coney Barrett, who mused that there is no meaningful hardship in conscripting women to remain pregnant and deliver babies in 2022 because safe haven laws allow them to drop those unwanted babies off at the fire station for other parents to adopt.
What a privileged piece of shit she is. Let's discuss the hardship of pregnancy on the body. The hardship of working on your feet during pregnancy. The hardship of not having time off with pay to go to the doctor & to have your baby. The hardship of not having insurance to pay for said doctor & hospital bill. The hardship of not having any kind of child care assistance for your other children. The list goes on.
I loathe these vile people.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(5,126 posts)Lonestarblue
(9,978 posts)The state foster care systems are full of the unwanted childrenbut the right-wing evangelicals never a knowledge that.
SergeStorms
(19,199 posts)And they want them to match the parents' characteristics as closely as possible.
You know, blonde hair, blue eyes, swastika tattoo on the right forearm. I had an aunt and uncle (far, far right-wing) and they wanted one male, one female child with fair hair and fair complexion. It took them three years and a ton of money (they're millionaires, no sweat) but they ended up with exactly what they wanted.
They wouldn't settle for dark haired, dark complexion children. Oh no, that wouldn't do at all.
Skittles
(153,150 posts)MUSED
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK THESE SANCTIMONIOUS, PRIVILEGED ASSHOLES
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)or a serious defect or disability in the fetus.
How many willing adopters are there of babies with serious health issues?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,367 posts)And that is her membership in the group People of Praise
It is a cult offshoot of the Catholic Church and apparently has done a rather good job of ERASING her name from any and all publications and records.
BUT
she is still a member, and one of their tenets is the old trope that Christ is the head of the church, the church is the head of the family, the husband is the head of the house and the wife and kids are at the bottom. Their family answers to a church elder.
So basically Barrett has to ask her husband about
well
everything and HE asks the elder of their cult.
Now I realize my assessment might be seen as over the top, but I didnt come up with this on my own. The facts about this cult she is in are out there.
Barrett is a member of a cult of the Catholic Church which holds direct sway over what she does and how she acts and thinks.
And more than one commentator has said the reason she was picked for that seat is to write the decision on Roe V. Wade. Alitos is just a draft.
This YouTuber does a great job on a deep dive into People of Praise. Scary shit.
jmowreader
(50,555 posts)...they don't want just "a domestic supply of infants" but a domestic supply of a specific kind of infant - cute white ones whose mother has no history of drug use and who don't have expensive-to-treat conditions. Further, infants are far more adoptable if they're penis-free...everything I can find says 75 to 80 percent of people worldwide who want to adopt children want those children to be girls.
Given that, anyone who writes an official document saying he wants to kill off a human right because the "domestic supply of infants" is too low is in DIRE need of disbarment. Tell me true, can you still be a justice of the Supreme Court if you have no law license?
niyad
(113,275 posts)Last edited Tue May 10, 2022, 09:18 PM - Edit history (1)
By the way, could you cite the research about the majority wanting to adopt girls? In this patriarchal, woman-hating culture, I find that most interesting.
Think about who would be most likely to want to adopt a baby girl. And that implication is terrifying. Ive said the gop is trying to make marriage to children legal and you know the reason for that.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)I'm still smh over the fact that Chinese and Indian men may not be able to find wives because so many baby girls were aborted or rejected at birth, left to die.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/08/26/434616512/selecting-boys-over-girls-is-a-trend-in-more-and-more-countries
A bunch of adoption advocacy sites I found claim it's because women are the drivers in the decision to adopt, and they want little girls.
arlyellowdog
(866 posts)ShazzieB
(16,370 posts)But as long as he's not saying that in so many words, he can always claim that's not what he meant.
Smug, entitled, white racists who are well-educated know better than to say blatantly racist things in public. They know how to maintain a facade of plausible deniability.
malaise
(268,949 posts)malaise
(268,949 posts)geardaddy
(24,926 posts)Mossfern
(2,487 posts)when he was bemoaning that there weren't enough babies! I thought what he said was kind of weird, and I told him that there were plenty of babies, the world wasn't going to run out of them. He said, "OK, I guess we'll have to have foreign ones."
Bizarre
maxsolomon
(33,316 posts)to punish the US for the Magnitsky Act.
the the RW nutcase adopters (like Amy Coney Island) were super angry about that.
niyad
(113,275 posts)Women's Rights And Issues? Thanks in advance.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)I thought I was gonna throw up. The whole thing is very disturbing. And, its probably designed to be that way.
These people are sick.
ancianita
(36,030 posts)Chilling is the wrong word, and only captures part of the endgame.
This is fascist corporate rule that has captured SCOTUS.
James48
(4,435 posts)And you will find the DeVoss extensions of fondatiohs and funds are funding a large portion of the child adoption business as well. Gotta make those government grants caring for the little ones and thousands per day. More lucrative than for-profit prisons, and the inmates dont complain or get into fights.
not a texan
(39 posts)Could this really come down to we want a baby but are not willing to go through the natural process for ourselves? At least for some of them? Our privilege should enable us to do this no matter what the cost for everyone else? It is not that big a deal if I get what I want.
llashram
(6,265 posts)Warpy
(111,249 posts)The thirteenth amendment forbids involuntary servitude--doesn't matter if it's to a fetus, to the state, to some man, to some false god, or to an adoptive parent.
Pregnancy and childbirth and the risks they carry, plus the medical and emotional costs they represent, should be voluntary. Period.
That doesn't mean the state doesn't have an interest at some point. Late abortions are risky, and questions need to be asked why they are being performed and/or why it won't be a premature birth instead of a termination. Thatis what is being done now, lete terminations being done on wanted pregnancies for the most tragic of reasons.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Requiring a woman to give birth against her will AT ANY POINT in a pregnancy is a violation of the 13th Amendment.
Plus, as any mother can tell you, giving birth has profound, permanent, often disabling effects to a woman's body. Your vagina is never the same. Your urethra drops lower, often making you more likely to get UTIs, your cervix drops and can prolapse, making intercourse painful. Your breasts enlarge, then deflate like balloons. Many women are left with disfiguring stretch marks. Many women, particularly those who have vaginal deliveries, have lifelong urinary incontinence and stool elimination problems. I can go on and on. And I am just talking about normal pregnancies, not high risk pregnancies.
For someone like Amy Coney Barrett to say pregnancy is not a burden is utterly INSANE and an an infuriating LIE.
Warpy
(111,249 posts)And it's not just the childbirth that is labor, it's going through the pregnancy itself plus the profound changes to your body that never go away completely. Every single mother out there knows that, whether or not she admits it.
Women in my age cohort had their babies in their 30s, it took that long to be financial stable enough that they knew they could feed and clothe a kid. They talked about having two or three children, they loved kids.
After that first baby, that was often it unless it was twins because it had taken so much out of them.
Men have no idea. Even if they've seen childbirth, they block it out and think we just breeze through it. They also think giving a baby up for adoption is like giving away an extra puppy. No goddamned clue in the world.