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applegrove

(118,577 posts)
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 01:08 AM Jan 2012

I think the GOP is against regulation because they know that science will discouver how dangerous

certain chemicals/products are in the next 50 years and all the cancer they cause, and they don't want people living a long, long time: social security, medicare and all. That is also why the GOP wants medicare to be vouchers now, with the funding locked in to today's medical costs. So that people will only be able to get the more expensive medical care, care that is being developed as we speak (stem cells, etc.), if they buy more expensive insurance or have the money to pay for it out of pocket.

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I think the GOP is against regulation because they know that science will discouver how dangerous (Original Post) applegrove Jan 2012 OP
It's simpler than that. PSPS Jan 2012 #1
Oh for sure they treat government like a competitor that must be crushed. For sure they applegrove Jan 2012 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #10
Well said. Frank Cannon Jan 2012 #11
sometimes regulation implies liability KT2000 Jan 2012 #3
Science already knows what is dangerous. ingac70 Jan 2012 #4
I don't think it ties in with Social Security and Medicare, JDPriestly Jan 2012 #5
Do you think the Ryan plan, for vouchers based on today's medicare costs, isn't a plan applegrove Jan 2012 #6
The Ryan Plan is a way to give insurance companies a bigger cut of the Medicare dollar. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #8
Just today laundry_queen Jan 2012 #7
They've actually come out with processed meats that have no preservatives - no doubt realizing applegrove Jan 2012 #9

PSPS

(13,584 posts)
1. It's simpler than that.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 02:01 AM
Jan 2012

Republicans dislike regulation in the same way that gangsters dislike police departments.

applegrove

(118,577 posts)
2. Oh for sure they treat government like a competitor that must be crushed. For sure they
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 02:11 AM
Jan 2012

would sometimes make a little bit more money with less regulation..then again it could be a decade that we are in this economic crisis caused by financial deregulations. So if fact we have proof the deregulation may not actually make money for the shareholders in the end. It certainly made every worse for the average person. But it certainly made big bonuses for the ceo. I was just wondering if we could add all the science that is being done right now and in the future, and the increasing regulations that will be required because the science is being done, to the discussion of why the gop wants fewer regulations. One thing we know for sure about any GOP position: it isn't about making people better off. None of their policies are. Why OWS resonates with so many.

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KT2000

(20,571 posts)
3. sometimes regulation implies liability
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 02:58 AM
Jan 2012

I think you are right. Regulations are enforceable responsibility.
The EPA has only banned a very few chemicals while research continues to show that there are many chemicals in use that are known to cause neurological problems in children, cancers, birth defects, auto-immune diseases and on and on. One must read the environmental health literature to learn about this because the avenues to mainstream medicine and public policy have been effectivekly blocked. It is more important to protect the corporations that make money.

A corporation than manufactures a pesticide associated with breast cancer, then bought a pharmaceutical company that manufactures cancer drugs.

ingac70

(7,947 posts)
4. Science already knows what is dangerous.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 03:29 AM
Jan 2012

At my former place of employment, we worked with chemicals banned in all of South America... they had deemed them too toxic to allow around people.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
5. I don't think it ties in with Social Security and Medicare,
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 04:22 AM
Jan 2012

but, yes, many believe that the causes for specific cancers will be identifiable in the future.

Some cancer is genetic. Certain breast cancers fit that category. I will leave it at that.

applegrove

(118,577 posts)
6. Do you think the Ryan plan, for vouchers based on today's medicare costs, isn't a plan
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 04:28 AM
Jan 2012

to get the government out of paying future medicare expenses? Would you go that far?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
8. The Ryan Plan is a way to give insurance companies a bigger cut of the Medicare dollar.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 05:06 AM
Jan 2012

It may be a way to limit Medicare costs. I think doctors will revolt if they bring in the Ryan Plan.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
7. Just today
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 04:52 AM
Jan 2012

some new study came out linking processed meats (and likely nitrites) with pancreatic cancer.

I personally think to myself when stuff like this comes out - be ready for an onslaught of "processed meats are the new healthy for you food" clips on your local news, paid for by the meat industry.

applegrove

(118,577 posts)
9. They've actually come out with processed meats that have no preservatives - no doubt realizing
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 05:21 AM
Jan 2012

the jig was up on nitrates. This is what the GOP wants... where the "market" only takes care of issues. A bad health report is seen as a "marketing opportunity". Creepy. Especially since it looks like the neocons prefer to put 'new information' out of the public realm. I mean that in the utopia some GOPers want, you would have to pay to get the information that nitrates are bad (I heard they caused parkinsons' too).

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