SanFran silly boy archbishop declared a Crusade/Inquisition on PELOSI, got communion elsewhere

[UTUSN]

My local wingnut who always harped on if-you're-Pro-Choice-you-ain't-a-Catholic once told me to join some Presbyterian or Methodist outfit.

(SIDEBAR: The farmworkers/migrants deserted the Cath into the evangelicals decades ago on the basis of Rich Church, statue-worship, virgin was a ***. )

Uh, I happen to “believe” that values/principles/beliefs are born and permanent, not switched around. Besides that I don't hew to any "religious" mindset. Although Mister NIETSCHE said everybody should examine themselves (he was a Classics/Greek professor, shades of Davis HANSEN to a much lesser degree) and figure out what is real and good for yourself NOT what you were BORN with, but then he also denounced FOLLOWERS, so I don’t FOLLOW. And (EMERSON? – no, WHITMAN) said, “I contradict myself” fine.

So the “archbishop” of SanFran declared he won’t bestow communion on a lifelong, Catholic, Italian-American PELOSi on the basis of his medieval interpretation a “Catholic” point. Yea, my learned cousin taught me that the Pope has no jurisdiction over all the scattered bishops, that the Pope is *ONLY* a bishop himself, the Bishop of Rome.

So, the Pope has already bestowed the communion thing on PELOSI, and as seen below, she can get it in another jurisdiction. States rights, doncherno.

************QUOTE*******

Maya R. Cummings, Ph.D. @MayaRCummings According to @playbookdc
SPOTTED: Speaker NANCY PELOSI at the 9 a.m. Mass at Holy Trinity in Georgetown, where she was given communion.

**UNQUOTE*******

[shrike3]

1. Because she's in DC. The SF bishop has no authority in DC. This should be no surprise.

[UTUSN]

2. Thanks for the reinforcement!

[shrike3]

3. Off-topic, but the "migrants" around here are Catholic.

Local diocese has dinners for them, masses. Maybe it's just my area?

[UTUSN]

5. In my area they are Pentacostals and say rich/worhips statues/virgin-whore.

[canetoad]

4. If I was a Catholic

I'd dob him in to the pope.

[UTUSN]

6. Bishops have autonomy, Pope is "only" a bishop.

[canetoad]

7. Get outta here

[UTUSN]

8. Um... - O.K.!

[Marius25]

25. Not entirely true. The Pope can fire other Bishops

[Act_of_Reparation]

26. Is the Pope pro-choice or something?

[alphafemale]

9. It is all fairy tale to me

But didn't all those who took part in the very first communion go on to betray the Christ guy shortly after that Passover meal?

And I imagine he might have had a little spidey sense of what they were about o do.

[UTUSN]

10. Am not into theology.

[alphafemale]

12. I went to a funeral to be beside a friend

He knew I was an Atheist.
But his friend's death had been a pretty brutal hit and run with evidence he had laid suffering in a ditch for hours.

I went with him and sat with him through a church service.

And then there was a communion offered at the end.

Of course I didn't go up to take it.

And then he outed me as an Atheist to his family and friends.

"You didn't have to take the communion you could have just walked up and received a blessing by the priest. You made me look bad by not walking up"

We were not friends after that day.

[Walleye]

14. That's just fucked up. What happened to respect?

[alphafemale]

18. I wasn't really feeling the need for a blessing.

I've been to Baptist funerals that turn into fire and brimstone come to Jesus camp meetings.

So this was tamer ish.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

16. I agree with the previous comment

Really fucked up.

I would be so appreciative if a friend I knew to be an atheist came to be by my side, I can't even describe it...it was a great thing you did, and I'm sorry your friend didn't recognize it.

I've had non-Catholic Christian friends who attended mass for one reason or another (wedding, funeral, etc.) walk up for the blessing, but I would never expect it, especially if I know the person is atheist.

[alphafemale]

19. I attended his baptism too.

And in an actual muddy river. Not one of those nice clean wading pool things.

I think he was really hoping he'd turn me.

[LeftInTX]

11. She also could receive communion in SF. It would be up to the parish priest

Priests rarely refuse communion to anyone and they KNOW the story many times.

Married after a divorce...
Knowing that someone is gay..
Couples living together...
Convicted felons
Convicted murderers..
Women who have had abortions

They all get communion.
I rarely hear of anyone being turned away...

[alphafemale]

13. I am not into the theology but denying communion is severe

Another mere mortal cannot see into the soul of another.

But the idea of people supposedly being sinless to take the body and blood of god into their mouth. sure

[SickOfTheOnePct]

15. Once the archbishop forbids it

it's not really up to the parish priest anymore.

A priest could hold a private mass or he could go to her home/office and provide Communion there, but it would be against the orders of the archbishop, and could land the priest in hot water.

[alphafemale]

17. If an archbishop is going to showboat over politics

He should be the one thrown out.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

20. As I wasn't

and wouldn't want to be privy to any conversations or attempts at conversations that the archbishop had with Speaker Pelosi, I am unable to determine whether his statement is political showboating or not. If his statements about convos he had with her and his attempts to have further convos are true, then I would disagree that it's political showboating, but again, I have no idea what really happened.

[alphafemale]

21. It is about the centuries old claim that old celibate men

supposedly celibate that is

Get to have a voice in deciding what happens in a woman's body....EVER!

No man gets a vote in that.

Let alone dusty old supposedly celibate men.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

22. I don't disagree at all in the legal sense

Abortion should absolutely be legal, safe, available, and affordable for any woman who wants one.

But from a religious perspective, any member of the clergy has a right to say these are the rules of this religion, and if you choose not to follow them, these are the consequences. Anyone who doesn't like those rules is free to leave that religion, as many have done.

[alphafemale]

23. Except it is obvious that this old celibate man strayed from his lane

The majority of Catholic bishops and the pope do not agree and he did this for political grandstanding and trying to crawl into a uterus.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

24. We'll have to agree to disagree

on whether he is politically grandstanding, since I wasn't there and don't know what was said between he and Speaker Pelosi.