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Warning: Mass Killings are not new. H.H. Holmes in Chicago. 1880s & 1890s. Mostly Unknown (Original Post) Stuart G May 2022 OP
That was a serial killer NickB79 May 2022 #1
Serial Killers, vs. Mass Killers? They kill a lot of people..don't they? They are similar. Stuart G May 2022 #3
Serial killers fly under the radar NickB79 May 2022 #9
Here: Tanuki May 2022 #11
Yes, he was a serial killer - different LeftInTX May 2022 #2
How different, killing is killing ain't it? Stuart G May 2022 #4
He didn't use guns to the best of my knowledge LeftInTX May 2022 #6
Different terminology canetoad May 2022 #22
Their motivations and their methods are very different. Mariana May 2022 #24
"Devil in the White City" Deminpenn May 2022 #5
The best comparison is the Bath School massacre. One man, bent on suicide, killed 38 children. NutmegYankee May 2022 #7
Thank You for mentioning the Bath School massacre..above Stuart G May 2022 #10
He was the subject of the Erik Larson bestseller "Devil in the White City," Tanuki May 2022 #8
Read that book. Liberal In Texas May 2022 #17
Yes, see my post #11 above Tanuki May 2022 #18
1990... $1 of Amoco gasoline in the stairwell of a nightclub kills 87. WarGamer May 2022 #12
Happy Land fire...Yes..it is the same thing........at link below Stuart G May 2022 #14
Maybe it's my inner misanthrope talking... but I think even without guns... WarGamer May 2022 #16
Not the same thing. SoonerPride May 2022 #13
See post 14....Someone wanted to kill a lot of people. then did it. Very simliar Stuart G May 2022 #15
But there IS a difference between serial killers and mass killers. One hides their Scrivener7 May 2022 #19
Why are you being deliberately obtuse? Beaverhausen May 2022 #20
LAME tenderfoot May 2022 #21
Don't forget the Enoch Brown school massacre kabelad May 2022 #23
Specious Hekate May 2022 #25

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
1. That was a serial killer
Sat May 28, 2022, 05:24 PM
May 2022

There's a difference. I've seen documentaries about his "Murder House" where he disposed of the bodies. Truly horrific.

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
9. Serial killers fly under the radar
Sat May 28, 2022, 05:32 PM
May 2022

They're stealthy, and good ones don't get caught for years, or decades. They rack up kills slowly.

Whereas mass murderers as we currently define them do it all at once, in one gruesome burst of destruction.

You're right that both end up killing substantial numbers of people, but the mass killings tend to shock society more.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
11. Here:
Sat May 28, 2022, 05:33 PM
May 2022
https://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-library/serial-killers/serials-killers-vs-mass-murderers/

"...A serial killer is conventionally defined as a person who murders three or more people in a period of over a month, with “cooling down” time between murders. For a serial killer, the murders must be separate events, which are most often driven by a psychological thrill or pleasure. Serial killers often lack empathy and guilt, and most often become egocentric individuals; these characteristics classify certain serial killers as psychopaths. Serial killers often employ a “mask of sanity” to hide their true psychopathic tendencies and appear normal, even charming. The most notable example of a charming serial killer is Ted Bundy, who would fake an injury to appear harmless to his victims. Ted Bundy is classified as an organized serial killer; he methodically planned out his murder and generally stalked his victim for several weeks before committing the crime. He committed an estimated thirty murders from 1974-1978 before his eventual capture. Serial killers such as Ted Bundy are known to be organized and psychologically motivated to commit murder, which separates them from mass murderers who appear to kill randomly at one time.

SERIAL KILLERS VS. MASS MURDERERS

Mass murderers kill many people, typically at the same time in a single location. With some exceptions, many mass murders end with the death of the perpetrators, either by self-infliction or by law enforcement. According to Dr. Michael Stone, professor of psychiatry at Columbia, mass murderers are generally dissatisfied people, and have poor social skills and few friends. Generally, the motives of mass murderers are less obvious than those of serial killers. According to Stone, 96.5% of mass murderers are male, and most of them are not clinically psychotic. Rather than being a psychopath like most serial killers, mass murderers tend to be paranoid individuals with acute behavioral or social disorders. Like serial killers, mass murderers also display psychopathic tendencies, such as being cruel, manipulative, and uncompassionate. However, most mass murderers are social misfits or loners who triggered by some uncontrollable event.

Serial killers and mass murderers often display the same characteristics of manipulation and lack of empathy. What differentiates the two is the timing and numbers of the murders. Serial killers commit murder over a long period of time, and often in different places, while mass murderers kill within a single location and time-frame."

 

canetoad

(17,152 posts)
22. Different terminology
Sat May 28, 2022, 07:37 PM
May 2022

Serial killers murder one person after another - in a series.

Mass killers kill a whole heap at one event.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
24. Their motivations and their methods are very different.
Sat May 28, 2022, 08:15 PM
May 2022

Very few serial killers use guns, for example, so even a total gun ban wouldn't prevent serial killings.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
8. He was the subject of the Erik Larson bestseller "Devil in the White City,"
Sat May 28, 2022, 05:31 PM
May 2022

which also recounts the planning and presentation of the Chicago Worlds Fair, which was going on at the same time of his serial murders.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil_in_the_White_City

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Liberal In Texas

(13,546 posts)
17. Read that book.
Sat May 28, 2022, 05:47 PM
May 2022

Mostly because I was interested in the Fair. Very disturbing, almost didn't finish it.

And he was serial - meaning one after another. Mass is all at one time.

Yes, they both mean they killed a lot of people. But that's where the similarities end.

WarGamer

(12,436 posts)
16. Maybe it's my inner misanthrope talking... but I think even without guns...
Sat May 28, 2022, 05:42 PM
May 2022

Mass killers would find a way.

We're such vile animals.

Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
19. But there IS a difference between serial killers and mass killers. One hides their
Sat May 28, 2022, 06:04 PM
May 2022

actions and secretly kills one or few people at a time over a span of time.

The other wants his statement to be seen by many, so he massacres many people at once in a flashy public way.

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
20. Why are you being deliberately obtuse?
Sat May 28, 2022, 06:18 PM
May 2022

Serial killers and mass murderers are not synonymous.

And you know it.

 

kabelad

(38 posts)
23. Don't forget the Enoch Brown school massacre
Sat May 28, 2022, 07:59 PM
May 2022

Wasn’t guns but I’d imagine clubbing and scalping the kids is pretty horrible. So school attacks go back to the 1700s in America. Rich tradition we have.

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