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I have this on the best authority.
There are countless worlds in our galaxy on which intelligent life has evolved. Most of them are many millennia ahead of us and have overcome the problems of interstellar travel. They are joined in a vast union of civilizations who intermingle in peace and prosperity for all.
Occasionally, a planet produces a somewhat intelligent life form on which evolution goes awry and produces a dangerous, self-destructive species. We are one of those planets.
The UFOs are here to make sure we don't escape and spread whatever disease infects our existence. They mean us no harm. They are simply protecting the sane civilizations with whom we share this galaxy.
dchill
(38,462 posts)EYESORE 9001
(25,914 posts)by leaving us to our own devices. Well exterminate ourselves soon - all without outside intervention.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)Cyrano
(15,031 posts)fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)ecstatic
(32,673 posts)TeamProg
(6,080 posts)AndyS
(14,559 posts)the original version (1951).
Rent on any number of streams for $4.
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KY_EnviroGuy
(14,489 posts)But then, the aliens decide to break silence and send down a magic vaccine.
Violence, chaos and rumors of magic potions immediately ensue.......
brush
(53,758 posts)sop
(10,136 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)Cyrano
(15,031 posts)It makes no sense for an advanced, alien civilization to travel countless light years to bring harm to us. Why would they bother?
Buns_of_Fire
(17,172 posts)KS Toronado
(17,178 posts)ewagner
(18,964 posts)Excellent episode...and who knows? It could be true!
TeamProg
(6,080 posts)bearing toward us."
I agree that assuming the motives of any extra-terrestrial life is dangerous.
Stephen Hawking also said as much.
Irish_Dem
(46,767 posts)If so, they have already taken it, or take it whenever they want it.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Any raw material they could get from Earth they could get easier and in far larger quantities from asteroids, moons, and the gas giants.
Iron, nickel, aluminum, titanium, gold, manganese, vanadium, lithium, hydrogen, methane, and water are just some of the mineral resources they could get from a star system closer to their home.
Finished goods? Unlikely. If they have star travel they likely have very advanced materials and fabrication methods, far more efficient than ours and much closer to home.
It is extremely unlikely that our system contains a unique mineral resource. As to humankind in particular, well, unless they find us delicious with ketchup, all we have to offer is cultural things. Art, philosophy, entertainment, the unique human history we have, and our unique cultures.
If interstellar travel was cheap and easy, "they" would have been here millions of years ago. Possibly many alien species over millions of years. We might never even have evolved, as they would have colonized the planet themselves.
Irish_Dem
(46,767 posts)That would make a great novel. Something only Earth possesses and is in great demand by others off planet. Something unique to humans perhaps. Perhaps something we take for granted, but others cannot seem to replicate it well. Like human love stories, etc.
We don't know if "they" have been here before or not. The earth is 4.5 billion years old. Modern humans have only been here 200,000 years.
What happened before we arrived? Who knows?
Cyrano
(15,031 posts)Perhaps they're needed for some sort of research we can't comprehend.
Irish_Dem
(46,767 posts)violent humans.
Hopefully they study us from afar for their own safety.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)And if they wanted to get rid of us, they could simply drop another dinosaur killer on us and wait a few years for the environment to stabilize.
Or drop one into the sun, let the solar flare destroy our advanced civilization, and move into the shell of our infrastructure after we've killed each other off fighting over the last can of cling peaches.
If they have star travel, they can harness the kind of energy to shift the orbit of an asteroid and slam a few million tons of rock into us at Mach 40.
But why bother? We're nowhere close to interstellar travel of any kind, let alone cheap-and-easy faster than light travel.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,105 posts)interact benignly, or wipe us from the face of this orb.
grumpyduck
(6,231 posts)why we "always" seem to think that other civilizations are far more advanced than ours. From the viewpoint of a fly on the wall, I would think that other "populated" worlds in our galaxy were probably formed about the same time as ours and therefore are at about the same degree of civilizaton, give or take. Of course, I don't have any more proof of this than anyone else.
As far as UFOs watching us right now, I think they might be responsible for the world-wide shortage of popcorn.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,105 posts)edhopper
(33,543 posts)Because we can see other galaxies. We can see to the edge of the Universe. A d nothing we have seen indicates that the physics we know is not universal.
All evidence says it is.
Polybius
(15,364 posts)The laws of physics are changed.
edhopper
(33,543 posts)They are mere speculation.
You are making a claim with no evidence or data. That is not science.
Polybius
(15,364 posts)But I believe there's a good chance that they do. Up until the 70's, Black Holes were speculation.
edhopper
(33,543 posts)The physics showed they most likely existed. We didn't have the technology to positively identify one until 1971.
Parallel Universes are not something that are shown to exist. It is just that they may.
Polybius
(15,364 posts)I want there to be a doctor version of me with 5 kids in a parallel universe.
edhopper
(33,543 posts)I want there to be a George Clooney version of me.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,839 posts)It's possible there are other Universes we cannot get to, where the physics are different, but that's totally meaningless for us.
ecstatic
(32,673 posts)If true, our understanding of physics is potentially irrelevant. Personally, I think we are alone in the universe but the idea of advanced civilizations on other planets is very interesting to me.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,839 posts)We would not survive going into them.
Please read How to Die in Space by Paul M. Stutter. It gives you a LOT of information, including that wormholes are not something we can casually go into, like a one-way street somewhere. We would not survive going into one. Period. End of discussion. Those who blithely offer wormholes as a way to travel vast distances have zero idea what they are talking about.
Our understanding of physics is totally relevant. Trust me on this.
And if you think we are alone in the Universe, how do you reconcile that with the idea of advanced civilizations on other planets?
Do you understand the difference between a galaxy and the universe?
ecstatic
(32,673 posts)but, honestly, I keep it surface level for the most part. Yes, I think we are the only advanced civilization in our galaxy system and most likely the universe. However, we'll never be able to prove the universe part.
The reason why I think we are the only advanced civilization is based on how scientists explain how life on Earth began. A big bang that somehow led to near perfection? I can't imagine a similar series of events being duplicated elsewhere unless we're going with the intelligent design idea.
I'll check out the wormhole article because I'm curious about why he's so adamant about what would happen. It's something that seems unknowable.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,839 posts)My Son The Astronomer tells me that most astronomers are inclined to think our civilization may well be the very first technological civilization in our galaxy. Keep in mind that it takes a lot of specific things to make the origin of life even possible, and those conditions are probably not very common at all. Let alone the advances to a technological civilization like ours.
I am myself a huge science fiction fan, and I've even been known to write a bit. I love stories that depend on FTL travel, or time travel, but I also understand that those are fiction. Not reality. And I'm bothered by how many here cannot tell the difference.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)...as far as can be observed, the universe is isotropic and homogeneous. Isotropic meaning that it is essentially the same in every direction we look. Homogeneous meaning it is essentially the same in every spot we observe. Matter and energy react the same way under the same conditions everywhere in the universe.
TeamProg
(6,080 posts)earth to be sending out signals into space declaring our state of tech advancements?
He was suggesting that any future visiting aliens might not come in peace.
So, that says that Hawking himself believes that aliens could come to earth - or even that perhaps they've already been here.
I personally have no idea and no evidence what-so-ever but I would not be surprised by anything.
I might even believe that arriving alien DNA aided the evolution of our planet.
Water came to earth on comets.
We are all just 'space dust'.
Swede
(33,230 posts)It simply is emitted and then instantaneously is absorbed, experiencing the entirety of its travels through space in literally no time. No matter the distance, because
"Einstein concluded that simultaneity is not absolute, or in other words, that simultaneous events as seen by one observer could occur at different times from the perspective of another. It's not lightspeed that changes, he realized, but time itself that is relative. Time moves differently for objects in motion than for objects at rest. Meanwhile, the speed of light, as observed by anyone anywhere in the universe, moving or not moving, is always the same."
https://www.space.com/36273-theory-special-relativity.html
We have "sound" travelling at the speed of light with AM and FM modulation. Who is to say we won't get around this some day.
wnylib
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they hear of. Just tune in some time to the overnight AM radio program, Coast to Coast. You will hear people tell about meeting aliens, being abducted by them, being a hybrid alien/human. You will also hear all about how aliens are responsible for the works produced by ancient civilizations, which they either built themselves or taught humans to build.
The program is good for some laughs and gives insights into what makes MAGA "minds" tick. Politically, it is a RW extremist program, with commercials about which podcasts to follow to learn all about how Dems are destroying democracy and American freedumbs. In conversations with guests, the host, George Noory will discuss how the covid virus was created in a lab and escaped because of Dem government incompetence, how the majority of covid infections now are occurring among vaccinated people, etc. Noory used to have Alex Jones and Roger Stone occasionally as guests and talked a lot about how they are good friends, but not so much lately.
But, Noory also tells his listeners that he is not political and has no political biases toward any party.
Cyrano
(15,031 posts)The Big Bang took place about 14 billion years ago. Many star systems may have come into being and disappeared long before we came into being. There's no reason to believe that different star systems in different parts of our galaxy are running on parallel time lines. Some may be far younger than ours, and some far older.
Further, I have a very large supply of popcorn stored in the cupboard.
edhopper
(33,543 posts)Intelligent civilization is a given in evolution.
Earth only has one because of some rare and random events.
And only for 0.0001% of the time life has existed on Earth.
brush
(53,758 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,839 posts)They didn't last very long, and were soon replaced by population II stars, which actually had some metals, but still weren't what was needed to potentially seed life. More recently population I stars, the ones which are mostly the stars currently in the universe, came into being. Not a lot of population II stars are still around, although some of them are.
It's also important to understand that G type stars like our sun, are a tiny percentage of the stars in our galaxy. About 70% of the stars are red dwarfs, which are quite different. So yeah, they might well spawn intelligent, technological civilizations, but I'll go out on a limb here and say that those civilizations will be VERY different from ours.
It's also important to recognize the importance of our large moon, which is probably extremely important in the evolution of life on our planet.
KS Toronado
(17,178 posts)Believe the Jan 6th Committee is responsible for that.
louis-t
(23,284 posts)I go into Jimmy John's yesterday. I order a turkey sub. The kid looks at me and with a straight face says "Currently, we are out of turkey. Because there is a turkey shortage." I think by that he means that his manager forgot to order turkey.
Higherarky
(637 posts)There's no shortage of turkeys there.
louis-t
(23,284 posts)They're all over the course.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,748 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)We deserve it.
1945 was the warning to them.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Were like the crazy uncle in the galactic family who likes to play with guns. We arent harmless.
And were disturbing The Force!
cloudbase
(5,512 posts)Can't argue with that.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,839 posts)I am constantly amazed at the assumption that just because the universe is so old that technological civilizations must have evolved and so there surely are many advanced civilizations out there.
My Son The Astronomer tells me that astronomers actually think we may be the very first technological civilization in the galaxy.
You need to understand something about star formation and evolution, as well as think hard about how unique the conditions have been on this planet that eventually led to us.
The first stars to form, called Population III stars, were made of helium and hydrogen. They were massive and didn't live very long and when they died, they created some of the other elements. Meanwhile, Population II stars started forming, and they contained more elements. Big improvement in the potential for the development of life. Finally, Population I stars started forming. Our sun is a Population I star. They contain all of the elements needed to seed life.
Our sun is a G type star, also known as a main sequence star. Only about 7 or 8 percent of all the stars in our galaxy are this type. Meanwhile, about 70% of the stars in our galaxy are red dwarfs. If life were to evolve on a planet of a red dwarf, it's going to be very, very different from life on this planet.
It matters a lot that we have our relatively large moon, which creates tides in our oceans, and a lot of those who know more than I do believe that those tides were crucial in allowing life to form. Oh, and the moon also stabilizes Earth's wobble, which means a lot.
I can also think of life evolving in circumstances where they never develop technology, or never are interested in leaving their home planet. What if their eyesight just doesn't allow them to see stars? What if their planet is covered in clouds, so they never see stars? What if their religious beliefs get in the way? Lots of possibilities.
But most important, is that interstellar travel is probably impossible. And don't just blithely assume some species out there is thousands or even millions (a truly ludicrous assumption) years more advanced than we are. Overcoming the speed of light isn't going to happen. And don't say Worm Holes because you'll die just getting into one. Plus, radiation out there in space gets worse the farther you get from our planet, and even more so once you might get outside the solar system. There certainly is a possibility that some amazing new technology could develop a very light-weight shielding of some kind, allow safe travel at least within our solar system. That's realistic, but not guaranteed.
For a lot more information, expressed far better than I have, please do read How To Die In Space by Paul M. Sutter who is an actual astrophysicist.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)Traveling at the speed of light is impossible. The chances of life on other planets is very high. The chances of highly advanced life on other planets is very low. The chances aliens are visiting earth are beyond low.
Cyrano
(15,031 posts)Otherwise known as "wormholes."
edhopper
(33,543 posts)Does not mean it's fact.
Einstein also doubted Quantum Mechanics.
For any of this to be true, actual evidence is needed. There is none to date.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)Of course aliens are using wormholes, how silly of me. Do they have restaurants, hotels and fuel stations along wormholes? It seems like wormholes would be quite the alien tourist destination.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,839 posts)Again, read the Sutter book.
ruet
(10,038 posts)I choose to believe the theories. That being said; time and distance is irrelevant to an AI civilization, a civilization that has conquered aging or one that just doesn't care about time. Those scenarios are infinitely more plausible than defeating the 186k m/s speed limit. A limit that, IMO, has been rendered moot.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,839 posts)Even at 99.9% of c (the speed of light) it would take some four years to get to the nearest star. And our very fastest rocket has traveled some 165,000 miles per hour. Light travels at 186,000 miles per second. The fastest rocket isn't even a measurable percentage of c.
Too many people simply have no conception of how vast interstellar distances are.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)William Seger
(10,778 posts)... that if you see something that appears to defy the laws of physics, your first suspicion should be that appearances are deceiving. I've been waiting to see what evidence the military has gathered that appears to show UAP defying the laws of physics -- they reportedly have multiple sensor data -- but I haven't seen it yet.
Joinfortmill
(14,404 posts)brush
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With our limited reach into the vast distances of space using land-based telescopes, and space-based Hubble and now Webb, plus our launched explorers including Voyagers l and ll (Voyager l reached interstellar space in 2012 and Voyager ll in 2018 after some 40-plus years of travel), we have barely penetrated near space in half a human lifetime, 40-some years, and still have no idea how many galaxies are out there in the many light years of space and time.
I mean Earth exists in a spot on a not particularly distinctive arm of a not particularly distinctive spiral galaxy, of which there are perhaps multi-millions. And IMO it's a remarkable humankind of hubris of some to think that of the trillions of possibilities of development in the endlessness of space, to us at least considering our short lifespans and non-existent ability to travel and discover over light years of time/space, to think that our planet is the only one with technological development is... well, I'll just say let's reserve judgment on that.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,839 posts)life is likely to evolve.
It's probably even more hubris not to look closely at what it takes for life to get started in the first place, let alone what it takes to eventually get a technological civilization, and assume they are common.
Something else people conveniently overlook is the time frame involved. Even if a technological civilization lasts a million years, which i would argue is highly unlikely, the possibility of several civilizations overlapping in time, let alone finding each other, is infinitesimally small.
And honestly, if our planet is any indication, chances are a technological civilization will destroy itself fairly early one, long before any chance of going very far from their home planet. Don't assume a benign civilization is what's out there.
And, once again, more than 90% of stars in our galaxy are not at all like ours, which means conditions for planets there will be vastly different from conditions here. It's not as though the entire galaxy is teeming with sun-like stars and Earth-like planets. Far from it.
brush
(53,758 posts)Millions of possibilities.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,839 posts)But people not only haven't a clue as to just how vast interstellar distances are, they are even more ignorant of the extreme vastness of intergalactic distances. In reality, something like 94% of all the galaxies we can currently see are already so far away that even if we developed speed of light travel, we can never reach them.
Perhaps this is a helpful link: https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/universes-galaxies-unreachable/
So yeah, even if each galaxy has one advanced technological civilization at a time, while there would be billions of such civilizations out there, they will never be able to contact each other.
brush
(53,758 posts)the vastness of space in my Voyager l and Voyager ll references and how they've barely reached interstellar space in 40-some years of travel...half our lifetime.
And they are still nowhere close to Andromeda, our nearest large, spiral galaxy neighbor, not counting the the small dwarf galaxies of course, one being relatively closer at only 236,000,000,000,000,000 km (25,000 light years) from the Sun.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,839 posts)I hope I didn't seem contradictory or argumentative, because I'm intending to show agreement.
Here's something you may already know: Andromeda and Milky Way are on a collision course, and will intersect in about 5 billion years. Brace yourself. Milky Way has about 300 billion stars, Andromeda about a trillion. A while back I asked My Son The Astronomer, when that happens, just how many stars will crash into each other? "Well," he said, "we don't know for sure, but probably no more than ten." That says volumes about just how vast interstellar distances are. Of course, many more will interact gravitationally, but actually crashing into each other? No more than ten.
You seem to know at least as much astronomy as I do.
brush
(53,758 posts)In fact I once wanted to go into that field but I was also good at art and that's where I ended up.
I still read as much as I can on space and astronomy so that link you sent was right up my line. Thanks again for it.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,839 posts)My Son The Astronomer is in a PhD program in astronomy at George Mason University, in Fairfax, VA. I frequently text him or call him up with astronomy questions. I joke that I could give you his cell phone number, and if you have an astronomy question, call him, and simply say you're a friend of his mother's. In reality, I don't give out his phone number, and even if I did he probably wouldn't answer a call from a number he doesn't recognize.
Here's an example of the kinds of things I discuss with him. I'd like to write a novel in which an intelligent, technological species of dinosaurs has evolved, and then their astronomers discover that an asteroid is on a collision course with Earth, and they can tell from its size that it will essentially destroy most life on the planet. Their solution is to invent time travel and plan on going about 6 million years into the future, a long enough time for the planet to have recovered, but short enough that another intelligent species would not yet have evolved. Only someone makes some kind of a decimal point error, and they go some 65 million years into the future. Oops.
So I've been discussing with him, once these dinosaurs arrive into our present, how would their astronomers figure out how far they've come? I'm hypothesizing that they send several different groups on several parts of the planet to maximize survival. One group has the misfortune to be on Antarctica, and they all freeze to death. Anyway, the stars move quickly enough that whatever constellations they had, would be unrecognizable after six million years. So the ones that arrive in survivable places -- assuming humans don't find them quickly, are now hard pressed to figure out how far into the future they've come. I suggested to My Son that perhaps they could look at the galaxies, like Andromeda, and work it out from that. He thought it was feasible.
This possible story does assume they have astronomy and astronomical instruments very much the same as we have now.
brush
(53,758 posts)"Planet of the Apes." You do have your work cut out for you to write it so the science makes plausible sense. Good you have a son who's an astronomer for a resource.
I say go for it.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,839 posts)I do write science fiction, I've had a handful of stories published, even recently edited an anthology. Alas, I do not seem to have what it takes to write an entire novel. Several years back I attended the Taos Toolbox, a truly wonderful workshop run by the fabulous Walter Jon Williams, co-taught by Nancy Kress. The portions of the novel I was then working on had every single attendee, plus Walter and Nancy say, "This is not a novel. Maybe a novella, but not a novel." Alas, I don't seem to be adept at putting in the complexity that a novel needs to be a novel.
I'm at my best at flash fiction length. I think my longest published story is 3,000 words. Mostly I'm 500 words or less. Sadly, the market for flash fiction is limited.
As for the science in my dinosaur novel, meaning the time travel thing, it can be finessed. I can have a narrator that only knows time travel has been invented. But there are so many moving parts, that I get lost.
Plus, I think about a lot of world-building kinds of things, such as: what kind of pets would they have had? We humans mostly have cats or dogs (I'll simply ignore all the other kinds of pets for this discussion) which are four-legged furry mammals, and among the things we love about them is that four-legged furriness. So if you're a kind of lizard, what sort of pet would you have?
Also, did they have professional sports? That's a huge part of our culture, even if you personally don't give a flying fuck about any sport. How about schooling for the young? It goes on and on, and I get stuck sometimes thinking about these things.
Oh, and here's something else. In our present, all humans are the same species but we have a number of vastly different cultures, not to mention different languages, food, religions. It's easier to present my dinosaurs as all being the same culture and language, but . . . . It's part of the problem of s-f presenting alien species, or even as is part of this thread, aliens who might be visiting this planet. On this planet we have more than one culture, more than one language. Why assume it would be any different with aliens?
I am an avid reader of science fiction. I love time travel stories, even though time travel is probably impossible. I love stories in which humans have populated the galaxy with faster than light travel, even though that's probably impossible. I make a strong distinction between fiction and reality.
Thank you for your kind words.
brush
(53,758 posts)so I know. Keep plugging away, put on your editor's hat and edit down what you think has to be included and it will come together with time and disciplined, steady work.
A writer's life is not for the faint-hearted.
Cyrano
(15,031 posts)brush
(53,758 posts)edhopper
(33,543 posts)any of that. Life elsewhere? Intelligent life elsewhere? Life with a civilization? Technological civilization? Technological civilization with space travel capabilities? Interstellar capabilities? There is not an answer that can be found just by logic.
It's all speculation with no data.
brush
(53,758 posts)have no proof of what they're talking about, nor do the ones like me who say out of the trillions of stars and what must be the quadrillions of planets that have formed around these stars in a galaxy, there could possibly be intelligent, technological civilizations that have developed.
That's just speaking of numbers in one galaxy mind you, of which there must be billions mores as far as astronomers can estimate from our land and space-based telescopes and space explorer, launched missions.
It did, btw, happen here.
Oh, the possibilities, but of course we don't have proof either way.
Ptah
(33,023 posts)absurd
ridiculous
farcical
laughable
risible
preposterous
foolish
idiotic
stupid
inane
silly
asinine
nonsensical
crazy
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derisible
edhopper
(33,543 posts)They will pulverize us with a Q-36 Space Modulator.
brush
(53,758 posts)the forces of danger.
Lil Liberal Laura
(228 posts)Go home! Nothing to see here!
KS Toronado
(17,178 posts)Lil Liberal Laura
(228 posts)If so, watch out for those Toronadoes!
KS Toronado
(17,178 posts)Not a lot of 1970 Toronados left on the road. Now tornados I give a wide berth to. Yes,Kansas
brush
(53,758 posts)BlueSky3
(510 posts)we are an invasive species and that Mother Earth is using global warming to kick us off.
Towlie
(5,324 posts)We're really a popular reality show enjoyed by aliens across the Universe. Their idea is to mix people with widely diverging beliefs and cultures and watch hilarity ensue.
rubbersole
(6,683 posts)...they certainly aren't worried about us getting near them. Probably wondering why we sent a perfectly good sports car 🏎 with a mannequin in the driver's seat headed to the sun.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,105 posts)Do you stop and cry or feel sad every time you step on an ant? No, you don't. In fact, if you go outside and do "things" you probably kill thousands of creatures every day. Do you mourn them? Why? Because they are lesser life forms (in our minds). Aliens will feel the same about us....if we are not edible. Then it all changes.
Joinfortmill
(14,404 posts)KS Toronado
(17,178 posts)Have they written a book? Inquiring minds want to know.
edhopper
(33,543 posts)about pulling things out of one's ass. But I won't make it in deference to the SOP.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)And some dark night they might come back for me.
He had meant to scare me.
From that night on I kept a little bag stashed under my bed.
I sense more than a little longing in your imaginings.
Irish_Dem
(46,767 posts)For good reason.
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)Given humans, for thousands of years, have been afflicted with a kind of rabies.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)If you have seen it on Star Trek it must be true.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)all purely speculative IMO.
DavidDvorkin
(19,473 posts)I demand a worldwide campaign to produce armed spaceships that can blow those aliens out of ... um, the vacuum! We'll show them.
And then we'll figure out how they do FTL flight and impose our superior values on them.
Because we're Earthians, and that's how we roll.
Edim
(300 posts)Higherarky
(637 posts)Clive Barker's novel "Imajica." One of my all-time favorite reads.
electric_blue68
(14,845 posts)I'd hope (as in some various SF stories) that they do note that there are plenty of kind, and loving humans on this planet even if they keep their distance from us because of the others.
I'm not sure that's the right approach (would have to think about it), but it's conjecture any way.
I'd like to think there is that out there whether in ours, or in some other galaxies. 🔭📡📡📡🧡👍
Xavier Breath
(3,615 posts)because Mars needs women
werdna
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