Cry Me a Fuckin' River

[NanceGreggs]

I've been hearing/reading lately about how the MAGAts are having a hard time accepting what is now irrefutable evidence of Trump's crimes, because it means admitting that they were conned, played, lied to, and ultimately duped.

I don't dispute that analysis for a second. How can you not feel like a fool, once you recognize just how completely you were taken in?

That being said, I have zero sympathy for any of these people - and if they have to "go through some stuff" as reality sets in, it's not like they didn't bring it upon themselves.

They heard the lies - and ignored them. They saw the blatant racism - and embraced it. They witnessed the deliberate cruelty - and they cheered it. They heard the calls to violence - and they heeded the call.

Yes, Trump is a con-artist. But a conman's greatest skill is recognizing his "marks" - people he doesn't need to talk into doing his bidding, but people who talk themselves into doing exactly what he wants them to do.

Being an easily-manipulated idiot isn't a crime punishable by law, but it does have consequences - like having to accept that you've been had by the corrupt, pussy-grabbing, violence-promoting, nation-dividing, traitor who you chose to support.

I have no sympathy - I have no there, there, you poor dears. I have no fucks to give for the Dearly Deluded who gave their all to a self-serving grifter who convinced them to abandon all morals, all ethics, all empathy for their fellow human beings in order to line his own pockets while destroying our democracy.

There's something to be said for the poor folk who are now dealing with the truth - and what needs to be said is a hearty, well-intentioned, Fuck you, you God-damned idiots!

[COL Mustard]

1. I agree 💯 percent

I have family members who were taken in by this charlatan and who still adhere to what he says. The hearings are all a political witch hunt and anyway, everybody does it. Also, her emails, Hunter’s laptop, and of course Benghazi!!!

No Mom, we won’t be discussing your politics when I visit next time.

[Skittles]

2. I'm with you

how fucking stupid - or should I ask, how fucking RACIST are these assholes?

[Initech]

79. Extremely, and on both ends!

[colorado_ufo]

3. Great job, Nance!

[hlthe2b]

4. Unfortunately, it is triggering violence or at least violent threats from many of these GD idiots

Unwilling to admit they were scammed and taken for the dupes they are, like their idol, they "double down" and the response is violence. Real violence for some-- egged on by the Proud Boys, militias, and all the other white nationalist groups. Cyber threats from the Cheeto-stained weenies in their grandma's basement...

[Novara]

15. "Political violence" - we need to call it by its name

I agree. Instead of admitting they were fooled they will lash out at their imagined enemies with violence.

That's what stochastic terrorism is all about: getting others to commit violence to perceived enemies by whipping them into a frenzy.

[Emile]

5. I scratch my head at their reasons for voting for Trump. One guy

told me he voted for him to shake things up in Washington. I haven't seen this guy in five years, but he should be one happy voter.

[agingdem]

25. Four years of of the NYT demanding

we understand and embrace the Trump voter.....the same voters who now feel duped by the truth..BULLSHIT!!..It doesn't take a PHD in human behavior to "understand" their devotion to a depraved narcissistic sociopath...I call it "mutual hate"..he hates who they hate..blacks, latinos, jews, muslim, asians, native Americans, lgbtq, the poor and disabled..and he took their mutual hate and legitimized it..he gave them permission to brandish their guns, harass, maim, and kill "the other" with impunity...heady stuff..

Do they feel duped...maybe, but I don't think they care..

[rubbersole]

36. Demonstrating stupid equals dangerous.

Hate is the driving force behind their behavior. There isn't a way to get that genie back in the bottle. Well said, agingdem.

[everyonematters]

6. Trump has continuously shown that he is a man with no conscience.

He will do just about anything that is to his own benefit, including possibly trying to kill his own vice president. It is amazing that people refuse to recognize it. Anyone like this in a national leadership position is dangerous.

[OMGWTF]

75. No Character.

“It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”

― Joseph Heller, Catch-22

[calimary]

82. Great quote!

[madaboutharry]

7. They took all the bait because of the hate within them.

The MAGA and Q people signed up because of the racism, violent rhetoric, and America first bullshit. Trump’s ugly hate spoke to them.

The rest voted for him for the tax cuts and SC justices, rationalizing that human decency didn’t matter. It was about policy. They have to accept they supported a mob boss.

Now faced with his criminal lie about the “stolen” election, all they can do now is either dig their heels in deeper or face the truth. Whatever self-esteem or dignity they may have had is getting washed away. It’s hard to be a fool.

Here is the kicker: Most would vote for him again.

[CentralMass]

8. I suspect it is the way they are wired. They are susceptible to being conned.

And I think there is a bit of a rabid "sports" fan mentality component to it. It is them against the libs and they can justify and accept the lies and bullshit they are fed.

[bucolic_frolic]

9. These people should be monitored as Registered Coup Offenders for the rest of their lives /nt

[onlyadream]

10. Are these people really watching?

In my world, they aren’t.

[agingdem]

42. if they are it's background noise...

and they were not duped...they are all Rusty Bowers, Brad Raffensperger, Mitch McConnell..yes,Trump is a depraved amoral narcissistic sociopath, a sexual predator, stupid, cunning cruel, corrupt but they voted for him twice and they'd vote for him again in a heartbeat..

[sop]

66. Nor in my world.

Several Trump supporters I know told me they don't believe the facts being revealed. For them these hearings are further proof Trump is being persecuted by the "democrat party." One neighbor told me with some satisfaction Republicans will get revenge on Biden when they take over Congress.

[onlyadream]

69. This is so disheartening

Today at the store I overheard a stock person bad mouthing Biden. They do it loud and proud (and I’m in NY). I really wish Trump’s weight and poor diet catches up with him soon.

[Paladin]

11. X 1000, NG. Fuck the trump whores, forever. (nt)

[Whiskeytide]

12. Someone posted an explanation a week or ...

… two back that, once Тяцмp‘s cons are exposed, they hate the people who exposed him more than they hate Тяцмp. He just took their money. The exposure made them feel stupid.

I had never really thought about it that way, but I think it’s spot on discussion board analysis.

[2naSalit]

18. +1

[mobeau69]

21. Here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216815642

[Whiskeytide]

27. That's it. Thanks. n/t

[ashredux]

13. No need to sugarcoat it...what di you really think 🤔

[Lonestarblue]

14. Trump was just the culmination of over 50 years of Republican propaganda.

Trump has been worse than most, but he did not start this slide into irrationality and utter refusal to listen to facts. Most of it started in the 60s with forced integration. Too many white people refused to accept that the races were equal, and they fought any way they could to preserve the status quo that had reigned throughout the 1950s. Pastors, especially those in the Southern Baptist Convention preached against integration and encouraged resistance.

Nixon started the War on Drugs as a way to target black men and lock them up as they typically voted for Democrats. Nixon did not have Fox News to broadcast propaganda, but he did have Roger Ailes who was later the person Murdoch hired to turn Fox into a conservative, right-wing powerhouse. Ailes worked with Nixon to frame his national campaign issues for television, framing the race-based Southern strategy in a way to appeal to white conservative voters and to make the stiff Nixon more likable to voters. Ailes also worked on the campaigns of Reagan and both Bushes. He was one of the chief architects of the descent into the politics of personal destruction of political opponents and oversaw the development of Fox into an entire system of Republican propaganda. The blatant lies have become worse since Trump’s presidency, but they did not start with him.

None of that excuses the cult that would rather believe crazy conspiracies and lies, but these people have been programmed most of their whole lives to believe in what we see as nonsense. Those from the 1960s passed along their hatred of black people to their children and grandchildren. Fox built its empire by catering to that hatred because many white people refused to accept that their children would be forced to associate with black kids in school and they and their children would have to work alongside black people. White evangelical churches in red states are still among the most segregated places in the US, and that is on purpose.

Television had an enormous influence on how we got to where we are today. The Internet then magnified many of the worst aspects of television. And it was the Republican Party rather than the Democrats that saw the value of television, mostly through the work of Roger Ailes, and then chose to use it deliberately to spread disinformation and portray their politicians and party in ways that would fool the public and lull them into voting for Republicans.

And here we sit today with Fox still spewing lies and stoking hatred to drive wedges between people. Until Fox is gone or changed, and the Republican Party is changed, the country will continue to be filled with a large population of people who hate and want to destroy their fellow citizens. I do not see either changing.

[2naSalit]

19. +1

[Novara]

24. Never forget: Reagan Ruined Everything

Yes, this has been coming. The country lost its goddamn mind when we elected a black man as president and this is the backlash. Backlashes are always overreaches. We saw the same sort of feminism backlash in the 1980s. The country reacted to the expansion of women's rights in the 1960s and 1970s and by the time the ERA was introduced in 1972 and the push for ratification lasted throughout the 1970s into the 1980s, the country spawned people like Anita Bryant and Phyllis Schafly and the backlash began in earnest in the early 80s. They've been trying to put women "in their place" since then.

Now we're seeing it with a white supremacy backlash after our first black president where all sorts of people's rights were expanded.

Each backlash is fomented by the white patriarchy. And each backlash is an overreaction and gets more punitive and often violent.

[keep_left]

62. Yep. The hypocrisy of Schlafly is how she slaved...

...like a stevedore making speeches, writing articles, and running political campaigns attempting to convince women to give up the hard-fought rights they had just gained...and go back to being housewives and baby machines. Meanwhile, Schlafly is working 80-hour weeks, jet-setting across the country (and world)...a traitor to feminism.

You are correct in your diagnosis. It's basically the same thing, but it's about white supremacy and race this time.

[True Blue American]

29. Thank you for that

Lone star Blue.

We have another problem no one wants to talk about.

You have a relative who claims to vote Democrat. Yet, when anything comes up you get,”Trump is gone, forget him! I am not interested in Politics, I do not want to hear it. Not watching the hearings. That is past.”

Even Bowers, after telling what Trump did to him would still vote for him. I felt sorry for Bowers until he said that. Now, I do not.

Any answers for me? Anyone?l

[rubbersole]

41. Time and kindness...

...until your relative gets over being conned. It's like a divorce - some ex's become lifetime best friends; others - psycho nightmares. Underlying character usually determines that outcome. Good luck.

[True Blue American]

46. Yet they claim to be Democrat

Emphasize that. I know they are but repeating all the drivel they hear,especially about Biden and the current economyI see them getting angrier.

[RocRizzo55]

56. Exactly.

I saw it 50 years ago, and spoke out then. I have continued to speak out against this. I saw things accelerate when Ronnie Rat was in office, and things got worse and worse. Even when Clinton was in office. The twice impeached former guy is the culmination of it. I don’t foresee things getting better in the US in the near future.

[malaise]

16. This deserves the great Barbadian Jackie Opel

[Escurumbele]

32. I dare him to sing "Cry me a fucking river" :)...I love that song, Dianne Kroll sings it so good

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[rubbersole]

44. Nice.

I'd never heard her before. Wow. Thanks!

[malaise]

47. Almost posted both of them

[Maeve]

17. There is something in the human psyche that hates admitting when we're duped

That cannot face the realization that we have been played, suckered, led down the garden path, made the fool...it is the sort of humiliation that some can only admit at 3 am, tossing in bed, even when the truth is sitting there as big as a barn, plain as a pikestaff. And we tend to turn on those who warned us rather than face our own gullibility, to cling to the lie in an attempt to feel some justification for the unjustifiable; anything to save some face...

They are to be censored, BUT pitied as well--not poor dears, but dumb bunnies who got themselves into the hole and are afraid to come back out into the light and will bite the hand that tries to help them.

Not feeling too good about humanity this morning, sorry. And trying to hold on to a small candle

[2naSalit]

22. A facet of toxic masculinity, I'd imagine.

It really is a problem where people can't accept anything but "winning". My parents were of that mindset yet there was nothing any one of their daughters could do that was seen as anything other than failure and everything was unforgivable. Only gains made by men can be recognized.

It's been pounded into our social psyche forever and what we have now is its natural result.

Whatever horrors the natural world has is store for us as it evicts us from the planet, we deserve it.

[Joinfortmill]

37. And we're gonna get evicted if we don't wise up soon.

[2naSalit]

40. Oh, it's coming...

It's too late for "if" anymore. I live near the headwaters for nearly two thirds of the western US's water, we're in trouble now.

[The Jungle 1]

60. The rest of these problems are nothing compared to the water problem

There are DRILL DRILL DRILL signs all over my community.
These are the same fools who believed fat ass.

[panader0]

23. There is an old saying, something like "It's much easier to con someone than

for them to admit they've been conned."

[Joinfortmill]

38. You're doing better than I am.

[llmart]

43. Very well put and I believe your explanation is the most accurate.

In a country such as ours where winning is everything, people just can't stand to lose. They see it as failure. I have a relative who one would think is smart, but he glommed onto trump when watching his stupid reality show every week and truly believed that he was a successful businessman. Now he doesn't even want to be around me because he knows I'm a lifelong Democrat and though I'd never bring up the topic with him, he's embarrassed to know that I know he voted for this guy and was conned by him. Plus, because I'm a woman he has this notion that he should be smarter than I am. Yeah, he's extremely chauvinistic also.

[calimary]

83. Yeah, I sure do get that, Maeve.

Nobody wants to admit they were wrong, or worse, that they were royally HAD. That may be why so many trumpers will willingly go down with the ship (the one named the SS donald).

[mucifer]

20. What is scary is even when they know they were duped they will vote trump if he is the nominee

I am starting to think at the very least he will not be allowed to run for office.

I am starting to become more optimistic about him getting arrested.

[Frostlight]

26. They Literally CAN'T Learn Anything that Conflicts with Their Narrative:

https://bsbuzzsaw.com/2018/04/04/why-conservatives-cant-learn/


Date: April 4, 2018
Author: G.S.Croft

This requires a bit of set up, so stick it out:

The very existence of Bullshit Mountain should not be possible in a world inhabited by an educated, rational, and enlightened populace. Yet the Bullshit that forms the steep slopes, rocky crags, and soaring peaks of the Behemoth is exceptionally well-documented.
The phenomenon that is Bullshit Mountain is made possible by a very interesting and frightening reality of human nature: that there are many, many among us who simply can’t learn anything that might conflict with their world view. The vast majority of those identify themselves as ‘conservatives’.
Sure, there are non-conservatives that believe things that are not true and will not learn extant facts which might cast doubt on their beliefs, but such examples are somewhat rare. The important difference between conservatives and non-conservatives is not how readily they fall for false information, but how willing they are to discard what is proven to be bullshit. For instance, when non-conservatives encounter a false story that aligns with their beliefs, they will circulate the story until they encounter the actual facts that debunk that story. That there are many non-conservatives that pride themselves on fact-checking is part of their collective mechanism that filters out Bullshit with some effectiveness over time. But when conservatives encounter a bullshit story like the Clinton/Uranium One deal, no matter how many times they are exposed to the actual facts, no matter how thoroughly those facts are explained, and no matter how much more sense those facts make, they simply cannot learn those facts if it means they might have to abandon their belief. Notice how I said ‘cannot’ instead of ‘will not’? I’ll get to that in just a bit.

suspense

In the case of the Clinton/Uranium One deal hyperlinked above, if you ask a conservative who believed the story a year ago if they still believed it today, nine-thousand, nine-hundred and ninety-nine times out of ten-thousand, they will tell you “Clinton sold 20% of our uranium to Russia!”. Then, even if you show them the facts which make that belief look entirely ridiculous, they will say the same thing this time next year… and the year after that… and the year after that.

boulder

WHY? HOW?

Take some of the following examples:

Explain to a conservative that the theory the globe was cooling was just a postulation by a small group of scientists, and when the data were gathered the idea was proven completely wrong and that in fact, the opposite was proven to be true.
A year later, that same conservative will still say that global warming is bunk because ‘scientists also said’ the Earth was cooling.

Tell a conservative that the Theory of Evolution has been proven through the study of not only fossils, but of plants and bacteria in real time.
A year later, that same conservative will still say, “Evolution is just a theory!” Then try explaining that proven theories are actually facts… it won’t matter.

The conservatives who still believe Obama isn’t an American despite the fact that he could have been born on the Moon and still been a US citizen by virtue of his mother’s status?
Try prying that from their cold, dim heads.

Those that believe that the ACA (aka ‘Obamacare’) had provisions for death panels?
Still there.

That Saddam Hussein had WsMD?
No significant change.
And that’s not even the proverbial tip.

Certainly, not every conservative believes the exact same bullshit, but a surprising majority adhere to the same beliefs. Also there are non-conservatives who believe some bullshit as well. But the staggering difference is in just how much more unwilling conservatives are to adjust their worldview based on the facts. It would be easy to say that they must simply be stupid, or that they are scientifically illiterate. But that’s not necessarily the case (even though there seems to be a downward correlation between conservatism and IQ). The reality isn’t that conservatives are stupid, or that they won’t accept facts they don’t like… the reality is that they can’t.

Now... here's why;

[Joinfortmill]

35. A lot of that is probably true...especially the tribalism part, but they are also

selfish, angry, racists who care about getting their share and fuck everyone else.

[llmart]

45. +1

racist and sexist

[Joinfortmill]

28. Amen. Good their seeing the truth, otherwise I don't give a flying fuck.

[spanone]

30. ...K&R...

[Escurumbele]

31. Unfortunately, it will get worst before it gets better. These idiots refuse to see the light, too

painful to accept you were wrong, plus they refuse to listen to the truth, they just put their fingers inside their ears yelling la, la, la, or whatever noise they can make.

I have friends who I send information too, and I am 90% sure they don't read any of it, they just refuse to hear the truth, and I bet they will make the same mistake again if given the chance, just like the Arizona secretary who said he would vote for trump again because "of the great things he did at the beginning of his stunt as president"...what are those great things? Does anyone here know?

Like Rusty Bowers who said "he would vote for trump again"...WTF??? Right there he threw his principles into the garbage, and made all his comments during the hearing just a bunch of bull. What is wrong with these people? trump has sent thugs to intimidate you and your family, and if they have the chance they are going to kill you, isn't that enough to not want to vote for trump-the-thug?

[True Blue American]

34. That one finished me.

A so called intelligent official who dealt with Trump would still vote for Trump over Biden. The corruption goes bone deep.

It does not even have to do with education. Millions of well educated people go with Trump. Of course the trash and ignorant are at the front but millions still follow! It is beyond my imagination.

[liberalla]

33. "Dearly Deluded"

Excellent! Perfect description!

This post is so timely and on point. Thank you!

[Mr. Ected]

39. AND...there are still Maghat assholes who write shit like this:

(in response to my comment on a national message board that Trump's phone call to Brad Raffensperger was evidence of a crime):

LOL, imagine if a telephone call could be illegal:
Cop: Sir, we're charging you with making a phone call.
Man: Since when is it illegal to make a phone call?
Cop: Since the Liberals took over, sir. Everything's illegal now.
Man: Everything?
Cop: No sir, just phone calls. Now, hands up, or we'll shoot.
Man: Should I hang up first?
----Sounds of gunfire, fade to black---

Like you said, Nance: Fuck you, you God-damned idiots!

[niyad]

48. I applaud you for being so circumspect. Frankly, I hope they all choke on their

hatred, and bile, and venom.

[MissMillie]

49. I don't think the analysis was meant to make people feel sorry for them

but rather to offer an insight to the psychological barriers that may be preventing them facing reality.

The story hits me as being very similar to an article I read in our Editorials forum recently:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/women-sharing-things-men-frighten-224503898.html


I will admit that I see the similarity because I see TFGs base as mostly white and male (but I don't think I'm off base on that one).

Fear of looking like a fool, of being laughed at or ridiculed, and (of course) being proven wrong is what drives them.

They don't want to be weak victims of a white con man. They're only willing to be victims when it's politically expedient--when it's "others" (POC, women, non-Christian, LGTBQ folks) are involved.

[Blue Owl]

50. K&R

[Ohio Joe]

51. Sympathy...

It's in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.

[2Gingersnaps]

52. Exactly! Thank you! He invited them to be their basest, ugliest, worst selves

and they gleefully jumped on board. Time to heal, and let bygones be bygones??

Sorry, it might take a minute. Let me get back to you.

[Martin Eden]

53. The truly DEPLORABLE see Trump for what he is, and they love him for it.

They can see all the facts laid out at the J6 hearings with testimony from so many Trump Republicans, and their only regret us the coup plot failed.

And they still want to hang Mike Pence.

[solara]

54. Totally agree with you, as usual - however

what about Pence & Bower & probably others? They may have done the right thing during their 'historic moments', but, according to the Washington Post & other news outlets, they still vow to embrace, support and vote for the fascist disgraced EX-president.

What is wrong with them?

[RocRizzo55]

55. Traitorous Idiots

Please.

[RFCalifornia]

57. Somehow the refrain of Jefferson Airplane's "We Can Be Together" comes to mind

And not the "we can be together" line either

[cksmithy]

58. I read an opinion piece by someone like Thomas Friedman, not sure who it really

was, but, I am now paraphrasing. The maga's will eventually understand what tfg did and how bad it was, but will be mad at the messenger for making themselves feel dumb. So, in retaliation, they will still support trump. Hopefully, some of them will finally understand how dangerous he is.

[TlalocW]

59. The amateur "prophet" I follow on YouTube

Is kind of losing it. Not directly addressing his failed prophecies that are still, totally going to happen of Trump being reinstated, but for a pretty calm guy, he's been rather emotional lately rebuking both atheists and Pharisees and lukewarm Christians (those that don't believe like him or in his prophecies).

[Initech]

61. When you're brainwashed for that long you are unable to tell truth from reality.

And that's scary. What's happening right now is brainwashing on a truly massive scale - spearheaded by Rupert Murdoch and Vladimir Putin. They are the epitome of evil in this world.

[Pepsidog]

63. Magats I know will never in a million years go against Trump. If video came out of Trump

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molesting little kids they would justify and excuse it. Nothing, no facts no matter how heinous will change the way Magats love TFG. I hate to admit this, but I’m walking in a courthouse about a 4 years ago and an old man wearing a maga hat and walking with a cane was approaching the stairs coming towards me. Like road rage, I was immediately angered and fantasized about pushing him down the stairs. Ok, I would never do that, but I can’t believe the reaction I had towards this man who did nothing to me but wore a hat that represents everything I despise. Now I imagine how Magats feel the same hatred when they see us Dems marching for our beliefs. Because of Magats I don’t want to see displays of flags on cars or gear and Lee Greenwood BS song about America.

[The Wizard]

72. He could abort his daughter on TV

and eat the fetus. The cult would justify it and say "He must have been pretty hungry."

[11 Bravo]

64. As ever, Nance for the win!

[Traildogbob]

65. Music to my ears

Sing it loud, sing it over and over. Put it in a CD and hit repeat. (Anybody remember what a CD was. 8 track, Cassette?)

[DFW]

67. The Dearly Deluded

A phrase is born!

[Evolve Dammit]

68. Nailed it again!

[YoshidaYui]

70. Kare ra wa totrmo baka yaro desu

Yes, they are idiots.

[Faux pas]

71. Once again

[jimlup]

73. They still won't get it... These people are coo-coo and completely deluded

I feel that if things go wrong the next couple of election cycles our country will be facing a real civil war like we've never seen before. Something out of some strange science fiction novel.

[Richard58]

74. A righteous rant!

I say fuck them too. But I think only a tiny minority are wringing their hands over these revelations. The MAGA morons I know, (neighbors/co-workers), all think this trial is a "witch hunt" and they are all lying about the Dear Leader. They still support him 100% and can't wait to vote for him again. In their little minds the Trump years were glorious. America was respected again! The economy was booming! Gas was only $2 a gallon! You could say "Merry Christmas" without being "persecuted". Blah, blah, blah. And they think that Trump is a brilliant businessman and master negotiator. Oh and he "welcomed God back into the White House!" Hallelujah!
Yes they believe all those stupid things about Trump and nothing will change their minds. It truly is a cult. They love his racism, his arrogance, his xenophobia and his nationalism. He is just as big a POS as they are and they think it is swell. I fear another Trump term is coming. And THIS time he won't leave! He wants to be a dictator so bad he can taste it. And the scary thing is one-third of all Americans would be fine with that! They want strong-man rule. This is how democracy ends.

[geardaddy]

76. You are correct!

As always, Nance, you hit the nail on the head!

[William769]

77. K&R.

[The Grand Illuminist]

78. I believe they unapologetically knew what they were doing.

And they were not conned.

[czarjak]

80. What you said!

[akbacchus_BC]

81. K&R