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Fri Jun 24, 2022, 04:36 PM

Today's Ruling Will Have an Impact on Medical Schools Too

Doctors of the future will not be taught how to perform an abortion. Many med schools already limit that training.

The effects of this will be wide ranging with unforeseen consequences all over the place.

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Reply Today's Ruling Will Have an Impact on Medical Schools Too (Original post)
leftieNanner Jun 2022 OP
Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #1
leftieNanner Jun 2022 #2
MiniMe Jun 2022 #3
Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #5
DBoon Jun 2022 #4
Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #6
tulipsandroses Jun 2022 #7
leftieNanner Jun 2022 #9
Hekate Jun 2022 #8
leftieNanner Jun 2022 #10
llmart Jun 2022 #15
leftieNanner Jun 2022 #16
llmart Jun 2022 #17
mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2022 #11
leftieNanner Jun 2022 #12
llmart Jun 2022 #18
leftieNanner Jun 2022 #21
llmart Jun 2022 #22
leftieNanner Jun 2022 #23
llmart Jun 2022 #24
LeftInTX Jun 2022 #13
Hekate Jun 2022 #14
llmart Jun 2022 #19
LeftInTX Jun 2022 #20

Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 04:40 PM

1. Older women know the consequences.

We were alive back in the day when women had few rights.

We remember our grandmothers who had even fewer rights growing up.

Women are going to have lower rates of education, lower paying jobs and fewer job opportunities.
Child poverty levels will go up. And those children will be part of the cycle of poverty.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 04:42 PM

2. Roe happened when I was 21

I remember that my mother could only get a credit card in my Dad's name.

This is but the tip of the iceberg for SCOTUS. I cannot call them conservatives, because they aren't. They are reactionaries of the first order.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 04:45 PM

3. Yes, it was Mrs. Dad's name

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 04:47 PM

5. The GOP is no longer conservative. It is full on fascist.

Yes the rights women have today are taken for granted.

It was not a good situation for women years ago.

Yes, you are so right. The GOP has just started.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 04:46 PM

4. "Women are going to have lower rates of education, lower paying jobs and fewer job opportunities."

Republican mission accomplished!

The Supreme Court has implemented the incel agenda

Never again will a stupid, cruel, intolerant man be upstaged by a more intelligent and compassionate woman

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Response to DBoon (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 04:49 PM

6. Yes most of the GOP could care less about abortion. It is about control and persecution of women.

Edit to add: More women were obtaining university degrees and men don't like women being smarter and better educated than they are. And women were finally achieving more equal pay. That will come to an end as well.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 04:53 PM

7. Yes this will have far flung consequences. Mental Health consequences

Women with Bipolar disorder and Schizoaffective disorder are more at risk for psychosis during and after pregnancy.
People with Bipolar disorder have the highest rates of suicide completion.
The ďirony ď if you will, is that many of the medications used to treat bipolar disorder, can decrease the efficacy of birth control. We tell patients to use a 2nd form of birth control like an IUD if they want to prevent pregnancy.
They want to ban IUDs too. Leaving women with serious mental health issues with very little options if they donít want to or just cannot continue a pregnancy.

And to go further the same meds used for Bipolar are used for Epilepsy.
All these women may have incidents of failed birth control when they may be at their sickest.
I hope I donít see too many of my patients ditching their meds for fear that their birth control wonít work. I know inevitably some will.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 05:00 PM

9. Oh! That's awful.

With these people, the cruelty is the point.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 04:54 PM

8. They need to know how to perform a D&C, and I don't think that's being taught either

D&Cís are vital after many miscarriages.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 05:01 PM

10. You are right

And all miscarriages will be suspect. Women who are suffering with the loss of a pregnancy may end up being twice demonized by being arrested for murder.

This is going to be really bad.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 05:53 PM

15. My sister in law had a miscarriage and her abusive husband wouldn't take her to the hospital.

She never got a D&C. She divorced him, married my brother and could never have children with him because not having the D&C damaged her reproductive organs for life.

True story from the 1960's.

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Response to llmart (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 06:08 PM

16. Oh, this breaks my heart

Cruelty is the point

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 06:24 PM

17. It was actually even worse than what I didn't tell.

She was able to get pregnant but she had two ectopic pregnancies, each of which almost killed her.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 05:03 PM

11. Supreme Court Ruling Will Upend Reproductive Rights for College Students and Complicate Medical Trai

'ROE' OVERTURNED

Supreme Court Ruling Will Upend Reproductive Rights for College Students and Complicate Medical Training

By Katherine Mangan
JUNE 24, 2022

College students will lose access to abortion across dozens of states with Fridayís U.S. Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 ruling that established a constitutional right to the procedure in the U.S.

The 6-3 decision, while not unexpected because of a draft opinion leaked last month, provoked intense reactions across higher education as the ramifications for college students, campus health centers, medical training, and the decisions students make about the colleges theyíre willing to attend became clear.

{snip}

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 05:05 PM

12. My Adult Daughter Will Be Looking For a University Job

This fall. This may limit some of her choices. She's an activist like her mother ( ). Can't imagine her going to Texas, even though there are some very fine schools down there.

We shall see.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 06:26 PM

18. Tell her to come to Michigan.

I'm retired so no longer in faculty hiring at my local university, but she should actually consider it. Most everyone I worked with in my department were Democrats.

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Response to llmart (Reply #18)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:44 PM

21. How's the Physical Chemistry department there?

That's her area. It all depends on who is hiring.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #21)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:49 PM

22. I've been gone three years now but my advice would be...

for her to go online to colleges' websites and look at the postings for faculty. The professors at the university where I worked were all union. They valued diversity and having a female in the Chemistry department would probably be a plus.

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Response to llmart (Reply #22)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:59 PM

23. She will do that - she's way ahead of me!

Thanks for the advice.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #23)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:03 PM

24. You're welcome.

At my university, the vast amount of hiring of new professors was in June and July because their union contract began in August even though classes didn't start then. But the postings went up in spring. The hiring process had quite a few steps before the final decisions were made.

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Response to leftieNanner (Original post)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 05:14 PM

13. It's a fairly straight forward procedure

D&Cs will still be taught.

Many docs who performed abortions in 1973 had not been taught the procedure in med school. The only one that is specialized are late term abortions

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 05:50 PM

14. As the procedure was demonized as an instrument of abortion, it lost currency in med schools ...

As abortion was demonized and as doctors were threatened and even killed, medical students began avoiding abortion training in droves.

The thing about D&Cs is they are lifesaving for women whose miscarriages leave bits of the fetus or placenta behind. Medical students should know this ó and they better learn quick, because the 6 Supremes and the state legislatures they just validated are so fcking ignorant that they donít know diddly squat about womenís bodies, and they care not at all.




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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 06:30 PM

19. In the 70's...

there was actually an underground where female physicians were training other women on how to perform abortions. There weren't many female ob/gyns back then, but there were some. I don't remember all the details, but I do remember reading about it back then. It may have even been included in that seminal book "Our Bodies, Ourselves".

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Response to llmart (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 06:40 PM

20. Vacuum aspiration?

D and C has been around since the late 19th century. It is used to treat numerous uterine conditions. My sister had one for fibroids. She is lesbian and never been on a date with a guy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilation_and_curettage

Vacuum aspiration is safer and was invented in China in 1958
But I think some women had self taught it here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_aspiration
Vacuum extraction won't be taught, but it's probably easy to learn.

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