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ecstatic

(34,325 posts)
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:28 AM Jun 2022

The only way to "check" the Supreme Six is to impeach


The judicial branch interprets laws, but the Senate in the legislative branch confirms the President’s nominations for judicial positions, and Congress can impeach any of those judges and remove them from office.


Now that they've abruptly taken away an internationally recognized human right from women and girls in this country, I think it is completely appropriate to start impeachment proceedings, without regard for whether it will be successful or not. Kavanaugh and Gorsuch lied during their confirmation hearings. Senator Collins said she was misled, and Manchin said he feels betrayed. That's actually a big deal, because Kavanaugh and Gorsuch's lies prevented the Senate from doing their job properly before confirmation.

When the right-wing goes too far, we have to be willing to go just as far in the other direction. Again, the right wing Supreme Court has taken away a human right from women and girls in this country. That deserves a huge response.

I don't want to hear crap about a slippery slope. This country is sliding off a cliff right now. Women will die. Some women will be subjected to humiliating and degrading vaginal probes from State officials. Some doctors will stay silent when it comes to dangerous pregnancies. Some women may even resort to suicide due to feeling trapped and hopeless.
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The only way to "check" the Supreme Six is to impeach (Original Post) ecstatic Jun 2022 OP
In a nation of laws, yes. Sadly we're not that and they would never be convicted by rapeublicons. onecaliberal Jun 2022 #1
Nor Democrats n/t Polybius Jun 2022 #16
Haven't we learned, yet? TexLaProgressive Jun 2022 #2
Where will you get the 17 Senators? exboyfil Jun 2022 #3
Where will we get 218 House members? FBaggins Jun 2022 #8
There's barely a basis for even Thomas Polybius Jun 2022 #17
Yep exboyfil Jun 2022 #18
After the November election and IF JustAnotherGen Jun 2022 #4
No, there is no filibuster for the trial Darwins_Retriever Jun 2022 #6
Exactly - and it's a failure point JustAnotherGen Jun 2022 #21
Now we can kill the filibuster Darwins_Retriever Jun 2022 #9
Voting to attain or maintain majorities in the state houses and Congress are going to be required. Thomas Hurt Jun 2022 #5
That is not going to happen. maxsolomon Jun 2022 #7
Expanding the court to dilute their vote is technically far more plausible unblock Jun 2022 #10
Agreed. Caliman73 Jun 2022 #19
We go to 15 exboyfil Jun 2022 #20
Won't happen, votes aren't there. A better approach would be to eliminate lifetime appointments JohnSJ Jun 2022 #11
No votes for eliminating lifetime appointments also MiniMe Jun 2022 #13
Impractical, otherwise Repugs would have done it years ago. Sneederbunk Jun 2022 #12
I am for fighting for the rule of law in every way possible. Too many Dems defeat themselves. delisen Jun 2022 #14
Remember how many times Republicans hated SC decisions in the 70's, 80's, and 90's? Polybius Jun 2022 #15
If that's "the only way" then we'll need to give up trying... brooklynite Jun 2022 #22

TexLaProgressive

(12,280 posts)
2. Haven't we learned, yet?
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:31 AM
Jun 2022

Impeachment is worthless without a 2/3rd vote to convict in the Senate. Vote blue.

exboyfil

(17,985 posts)
3. Where will you get the 17 Senators?
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:31 AM
Jun 2022

Also except for Thomas we have absolutely no basis to impeach. What is lying about a future decision? They can always claim the erudite arguments of Alito and Thomas swayed the more recent ones.

exboyfil

(17,985 posts)
18. Yep
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:44 AM
Jun 2022

Only way would be an email exchange between the two or a recording of her discussing her activities with him.

His only exposure was the 8-1 vote forcing release of Presidential documents.

JustAnotherGen

(33,390 posts)
4. After the November election and IF
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:33 AM
Jun 2022

We get additional seats in the Senate. We need Manchin and Sinema rendered insignifant.

Fetterman will vote to suspend the filibuster and a rule change to make it happen.

Who else can we pick up? I'd bet if we win Wisconsin that Senator will vote to make it happen too.

Any attempt at an Impeachment at this time will fail, and we will look like abject failures.

Darwins_Retriever

(934 posts)
6. No, there is no filibuster for the trial
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:37 AM
Jun 2022

but the Constitution requires 2/3 of the Senate for a conviction and removal. No way in hell.

JustAnotherGen

(33,390 posts)
21. Exactly - and it's a failure point
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 12:06 PM
Jun 2022

If we can't get the 2/3 conviction.

Don't do anything where we can't win until after November.

There are dark forces trying to suppress the vote and we don't need this shit right now.

Darwins_Retriever

(934 posts)
9. Now we can kill the filibuster
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:44 AM
Jun 2022

in order to pass a federal law concerning abortion with just a majority. But, I'd bet that at several layers of the federal courts would kill it as an infringement of the states' right to govern.

Thomas Hurt

(13,925 posts)
5. Voting to attain or maintain majorities in the state houses and Congress are going to be required.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:35 AM
Jun 2022

Dobbs is law and will not be changed until the composition of the Court has been changed be removing the religious extremists as they die.

maxsolomon

(34,968 posts)
7. That is not going to happen.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:42 AM
Jun 2022

Rage all you want; they're lifetime appointees answerable to no one.

Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Barrett will be on the SCOTUS the remainder of my lifetime. Hopefully I live to see the other 3 die under a Democratic President.

unblock

(54,128 posts)
10. Expanding the court to dilute their vote is technically far more plausible
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:45 AM
Jun 2022

Although there's been little interest in this from top democrats.

That said, decisions like Dobbs may change that.

In any event expanding the court only requires passing and signing a law. We just need to overcome a filibuster or carve out and exception. Majority vote in both houses. Sone democrats won't go along, but if we have say 55 senators, that's probably enough.

Easier than the 67 needed to remove after impeachment.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
19. Agreed.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:44 AM
Jun 2022

It is being called, "Unpacking the Court" and that seems a much more possible (though still difficult) way to deal with the extremism of the court as it stands today.

exboyfil

(17,985 posts)
20. We go to 15
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:49 AM
Jun 2022

They go to 21.

If possible we probably should do it, but it is not a long term solution.

JohnSJ

(96,436 posts)
11. Won't happen, votes aren't there. A better approach would be to eliminate lifetime appointments
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:45 AM
Jun 2022

Expanding the court also has a better chance

MiniMe

(21,828 posts)
13. No votes for eliminating lifetime appointments also
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:04 AM
Jun 2022

RBG would have been gone long ago if that was possible.

delisen

(6,440 posts)
14. I am for fighting for the rule of law in every way possible. Too many Dems defeat themselves.
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:30 AM
Jun 2022

Trump’s impeachment’s were necessary even though conviction was extremely unlikely.

There may be times to be strategic but this is not one of them.

Our Constitution has been cast out into the streets by those whose duty it was to safeguard it. It is up to us to take it from there.

We impeached Trump and knew he would not be convicted. We had a moral imperative to do so.

We need to stand for the rule of law and if that leads to impeachment as being within our response, so be it.

Polybius

(17,698 posts)
15. Remember how many times Republicans hated SC decisions in the 70's, 80's, and 90's?
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:37 AM
Jun 2022

They didn't impeach any Justices. Imagine how we'd look if we did.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
22. If that's "the only way" then we'll need to give up trying...
Tue Jun 28, 2022, 12:08 PM
Jun 2022

The Democratic House won't Impeach any of them. The Senate won't convict them.

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