When the kid sitting next to their kid in 5th grade is pregnant

[tulipsandroses]

It will be a shit show how these pro birth folks will react. These same folks that are so worried about their kids being influenced by LGBTQ and by historical facts, will have a damn freak out about pregnant kids in the classroom.
I was pregnant during my senior year of high school. I attended an alternative high school. We had a daycare center, for obvious reasons, so that young girls are able to finish their education.
There was backlash then. The argument then was having a daycare
“gave permission “ to be a teen mother.

I can see the shit show already of what pregnant kids will be allowed to do and not do as far as their education.

[Scrivener7]

1. They will blame the 5th graders, who by definition were raped, for their "immorality."

Just like they did to you.

[Irish_Dem]

2. Back in the day, pregnant girls were banned from school.

I assume it will be the same now with the American Taliban in charge.
They want to go back to the "good old days."

[enough]

6. This is exactly what will happen.

They will either be officially banned or shunned so hard they won’t be able to go.

[Irish_Dem]

9. Yes the GOP will be happy to see women drop out of high school or college.

Females will stay at home to take care of all the kids they now will have.
Lower rates of education, lower paying jobs, higher rates of poverty.

Women will be taught their new place in the male hierarchy.

[Demobrat]

16. That's the whole point.

Teen mothers are a lot less likely to compete with males for spots in good colleges, or start careers where they compete with men for good jobs. Lots more room for mediocre men that way.

The ultimate goal.

[Irish_Dem]

30. Yep. Angry males with guns want to be at the top of the power structure.

The # of women with college degrees are surpassing males.
The GOP will not tolerate this.

Women have been getting equal pay and doing well in the workplace.
GOP will not tolerate this.

[LiberalFighter]

33. It is a shame Amy Coney Barrett doesn't know her place.

If she practiced what she preached she never would had graduated from high school. I'm having a difficult time deciding if this should include sarcasm note.

[Irish_Dem]

34. The white male patriarchy will showcase a few token women.

And parade them around with pride. These elite GOP females believe they are special and exempt from draconian restrictions.

Amy knows if her female children get pregnant she can obtain confidential high level medical care to remedy the situation.

Right I gave up on the sarcasm note. Reality has become farce now.
So everything I type sounds sarcastic.

[LiberalFighter]

37. And she and women like her will claim they weren't abortions.

I couldn't believe that woman reponded to Senator Murphy "An Abortion Is Not An Abortion..." Too many crazies

[Irish_Dem]

38. Of course it will just be called a "D and C" like in the old days.

Performed on a pregnant woman who had a friend pee into a cup for a negative pregnancy test.

I keep telling people what is was like way back when, and how bad things were, and I am told to "get a grip." Males and younger people have no idea what is was like before birth control or abortions were legal.

Edit to add: I was talking with an older male relative who is liberal and pro women's rights.
I was telling him about some of the hardships women had in our mother and grandmother's era. He argued that cannot be true. I was shocked. But then I realized that since he was a male child, the older women in the family never talked about such matters in front of him.
Only in front of other family females.

[LiberalFighter]

43. As a male I would not want to hear about it.

I'm sure that was the way it was for every male from that period. And really still is. I'm 68.

I doubt husbands wanted to hear anything about it.

I've reached the point that I can't have a reasonable opinion on everything. And sometimes it would require being in their shoes. If I can't then I need to be be more open minded.

[Irish_Dem]

45. Yes even today there are things my daughter would not talk about with her father.

And her father wouldn't want to hear it anyway.

But yes back in the days of my mother and grandmother, there were so many secrets about these issues. Men were often only on a need to know basis. Mothers, grandmothers, aunts, cousins, female close friends handled the sexual secrets and had to solve the issues on their own.

Also in some families if the men in the family heard what happened to one of the girls, they may go out and do something in revenge and end up in prison. So they had to be kept in the dark.

I have found that even reasonable males, liberal and pro women are totally clueless about what it is like to be a female. Not just in the past, but today as well.

Checking out your environment, making sure you are safe, watching out for your children.
Making sure you are not the only female in any given location.
Things women do automatically and men don't even realize we do it.

Males take their safety for granted, women never do. Of if they do it is very foolish of them. Most women can tell you about unwanted male advances. Or worse.

But then I admit I have no idea what it is like to be a male, what they talk about and do when with only males, etc. Their challenges, etc.

[yellowdogintexas]

8. In the 1960s in my county in KY, even married female

students had to wait out a year before they could return to school, just in case they were pregnant.

In the next county over, there was no such rule and we had a number of married women. During my 8th grade year, one of these women was pregnant (she was a Senior). As graduation neared, there was what amounted to a rudimentary betting pool: would she make it to graduation? She did.

The only rule was if a cheerleader married she had to quit the squad, just in case she was pregnant. This happened 3 times that I know of. None of them were pregnant or had children at all until after graduation.

Of course this was all pre birth control pills.

[Irish_Dem]

11. We only had one married pregnant female, it was during my senior year in high school.

Prior to that married girls were not allowed to attend school.

This was in the late sixties.

Younger people today do not understand where the GOP wants to take us.
We lived it.

[csziggy]

40. Yes, back in the early 1960s one of the girls in my fifth grade class "disappeared"

Then her mother showed up with her "little sister." The girl my age was sent to a private school out of town, as cover for her "disappearance" plus the school kept a very close eye on the girls in their care. Over the summers, she was not allowed to mix with her former local classmates, but pretty much kept under guard.

Sure there was talk and rumors but that family kept things so locked down nothing was ever verified.

That's how pregnancies for schoolgirls were handled in my Southern town.

[Irish_Dem]

41. In northern towns it was the same way.

Girls were sent to go live with an out of town a female relative or to an unwed mother's home. A story was cooked up such as grandma needed some help, or auntie was in need of a babysitter. Or the girl was ill and had to go to a rest home, etc.

I do a lot of genealogy and you can sometimes see by birth dates that while sometimes the babies were given up for a adoption, in large Catholic families the baby was just incorporated into an existing large family and no one would notice. Most women are not going to have two babies several months apart. So one of the babies came from some where else.

[csziggy]

42. There were several families in my town with teenagers and sibling babies

Where the teenage girls had gone for "visits" to out of town relatives and suddenly the mothers, who had not seemed pregnant, showed up with new babies just before the girls returned home. Those were the poorer families.

[Irish_Dem]

44. Yes exactly.

There were also "private adoptions" and many unscrupulous doctors and attorneys set up baby mills and had a nice income stream from it.

[intheflow]

48. I got kicked out of my school for being pregnant.

My pregnancy would be "too disruptive" for the other students. Hence my GED. This was 1982, in Massachusetts. Two years later, another girl got pregnant and they sued the school for discrimination - and won. Wish my mom and I had thought of that!

[Irish_Dem]

50. Of course the boys who impregnated the girls were never banned from school.

Banning females was a way of shaming, humiliating unmarried pregnant females.

Shunning them to let them know there were not following societal norms.

Boys got a pass, just "boys being boys" kind of excuse.

Females were the ones targeted, just like today.

[leftyladyfrommo]

3. I knew a 12 yo in my junior high in early '60s that

was pregnant. She could stay until it showed. She got married.

[Solly Mack]

4. K&R

[dlk]

5. How about 3rd or 4th grade?

We must remember, the cruelty is the point.

[BlackSkimmer]

7. I would think it very unusual for a 10 year old to become pregnant.

Obviously, the poor young girl in the news lately was able to become pregnant, but surely this is still a rarity.

[MontanaMama]

10. The onset of puberty is happening earlier

and earlier due to hormones added to food, particularly milk and other animal products. We’ve not seen anything yet, imho.

[BlackSkimmer]

12. Yes, it has been for years, but I still think a 10 year old getting pregnant is not common.

All the more reason for extensive education for young girls. At any rate, no child should be alone with a male who is not well known to the family and trusted.

This whole story is so sick because now the mother saying the accused rapist is innocent. I don't even know what she means by that? That she considers it consensual, or that he never touched the girl? Horrifying.

[Bucky]

23. I read a statistic in Ohio about 52 10-year-olds end up pregnant each year

This is where I read this ==> https://www.vox.com/2022/7/15/23220096/mallory-mcmorrow-michigan-viral-speech-abortion-rights

That's a lot of child raping for just one state.

We live in a horrifying society

[BlackSkimmer]

28. No shit. I do hope this satisfies the posters here who wanted SO badly to know what kinds of weapons

Horrifying indeed.

[NullTuples]

32. Correction: 52 Ohio 10 year old children were raped and had an abortion each year.

No number given on how many were raped and forced to give birth or miscarried.

Ohio is also the state where in the late two thousand teens - I seem to think it was 2017 - the Republican Legislature & Governor passed a law that absolved parents of legal liability if their child were injured or killed as part of the parent's religious practices. Think starvation & hotbox punishments intended to help the child, "find God".

[tulipsandroses]

26. When are these folks ever rational?

Count me as someone that menarche started at 10 yrs old. So did my younger sister. The doctor had a good belly laugh at my mom who swore something had to be wrong. He had a hard time reassuring her that it was perfectly normal.
Having said all that, their reaction to anything is always out of proportion so does it really matter if it’s rare?
How many you think it would take for them to demand action to prevent a child from attending school?

They go out of their way to make laws against CRT and other nonsense that do not exist. I don’t think they need to see large numbers to act a fool.

[leftieNanner]

29. Hormones in Food

When my older daughter was SEVEN, she began to develop breast buds. I took her to the doctor and her pediatrician told me to only buy organic milk and chicken (those were the two that he said were the most problematic) and so I became very conscious in my grocery choices.

Magic! The breast buds went away and she eventually developed at a more appropriate age.

Think about those girls in less fortunate families where they cannot make that kind of a choice. Or worse, they live in food deserts.

[herding cats]

13. I believe the birth rate for 10-14 year olds is about 2200 a year in the USA

I don't know if there's data on just pregnancy since this is done via birth certificates.

[Arazi]

14. You've led a sheltered life if you don't know how common sexual assaults are on children

Most don’t get reported or the family takes care of business amongst themselves.

Children getting raped is all too common unfortunately.

Freud actually termed women as “hysterical” because he refused to believe the number of women who had been raped as children… its a tale as old as time I’m afraid

[BlackSkimmer]

15. Perhaps you should read my post more carefully.

Nowhere did I mention sexual assault.

I was speaking only about the onset of puberty in young girls.

I'm more aware of sexual assault on young children that you will ever know. But hey, thanks for the lecture.

[Arazi]

19. Your post never mentioned or referred to puberty

I apologize if I came across brusquely.

10 year old mothers are a horror and I’m deeply concerned

[BlackSkimmer]

21. I thought it rare for a child of that age to be able to become pregnant.

Nope, didn't use the word "puberty" but I assumed that would be obvious.

[Arazi]

22. I interpreted your post to refer to sexual assault

So obviously it wasn’t clear, at least to me

[BlackSkimmer]

25. I wrote " I would think it very unusual for a young girl that age to become pregnant."

Sorry that wasn't clear to you.

[Arazi]

36. Feel free to have the last word. I'm done here

I already apologized in post 19 for reacting aggressively. Take it or leave it. I can only reiterate how your post came across to me

[relayerbob]

17. GQPpers don't want women being educated

They want them trapped in their homes and treated as chattel once more.

[BOSSHOG]

18. Then when school is out

Moms and Grandmoms can go to garage sales to buy maternity clothes for their 10 to 14 year old daughters for the next school year. Then the number of children awaiting adoption will continue to grow as conservatives never consider unintended consequences. Nor do they take responsibility. For anything.

[LonePirate]

20. Isn't the risk of complications/fatalities sky high from childbirth at such a young age?

I know the right couldn’t care less about the mother’s health regardless of her age but when she could easily die from the act, we need to be discussing that.

[Arazi]

24. We're discussing that, the new Christofascist overlords could care less

[BOSSHOG]

27. Yes indeed.

Wouldn’t be appropriate to charge the Catholic Church with murder if mother and child die. Cause of Death: the Catholic Church. Ya know Citizens United. Corporations are people. Why not Churches? Thoughts and Prayers and 12 Hail Marys. Catchy song title.

[summer_in_TX]

51. Extremely high.

The changes to the hip structure that would support giving birth come in later teens.

I’m worried also about the possibility of rising rates of fistula, a horrific condition which can be caused by a baby’s head grinding against the uterine wall as labor is prolonged in girls whose bodies aren’t ready. A tunnel hole can form between the uterus and bladder or rectum that leaks urine or feces into the uterus.

It makes her life a misery and causes social isolation.

[Victor_c3]

31. I prefer the term "forced birther" over "pro-birth", but that's just semantics

And me splitting hairs.

Subsidized childcare could solve a lot of problems for a lot of people.

I knew two girls that were pregnant in 11th and 12th grades. One was a good friend of mine. Both came from loving families and had a lot of family support which, of course, means better outcomes for everyone.

My two daughters are just barely at the age of puberty and I’ve already told them that if they got pregnant at a young age that I’d support them every step of the way with whatever they decided to do. If they need help dealing with planned parenthood or raising a their child while they finish school, attend college, and pursued careers, I promised them that I’d be there to help as much as I could.

Nothing makes me feel more complete as a human being than helping my children.

[Arazi]

35. I've been calling it forced enslavement pregnancy 🤬

[Hermit-The-Prog]

47. Which is in violation of the 13th Amendment

The Subversive 6 have never read any part of the Constitution except a piece of 2A.

[Kaleva]

39. Back in the day, the family would disappear a pregnant teenager

They would be sent off to live with other family members living far away.

[mzmolly]

46. Not to mention, schools can't teach sex-ed

according to the nutters, so what's the explanation for a pregnant friend?

[Marthe48]

49. When I was in high school

pregnant girls were not allowed to attend, not till my senior year. So it'll probably go back to that kind of treatment.

Remember when the old novels talked about confinement?