Are we sure that there are currently 48 democratic senators

[drray23]

willing to get rid of the filibuster provided we get to 52 on November making it 50 ?
We have been blocked by Manchin and Sinema but if we win more seats are we gonna run into another bump or do we already know ? I

[WhiskeyGrinder]

1. You're reading my mind.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/07/joe-manchin-didnt-kill-biden-democrats-agenda-alone.html

In the final weeks, Manchin returned to the bargaining table with a deal that still would have counted as a substantial achievement. The plan would have raised taxes on the ultrarich and allowed the federal government to save money by negotiating the cost of some prescription drugs. The proceeds from these measures — likely around a trillion dollars — would have been split between deficit reduction, energy investments (short-term fossil-fuel production, and long-term green-energy investment), and enhanced support for tax credits to help people buy health insurance.

A key faction of Democrats in the House, along with Senator Kyrsten Sinema, blanched at the tax hikes. Moderates have been privately coordinating their opposition, and it seems very likely that Manchin’s sudden opposition to raising taxes on the rich comes not from him, but from them — he sometimes takes the heat for fellow Democratic moderates. In this case, he is likely channeling their concerns and passing them off as his own.

[Sneederbunk]

2. Always thought other Dems hid behind ManchSin. We shall see.

[Demsrule86]

7. I tire of such posts...alway willing to NOT give the Democrats the benefit of the doubt...sad.

[DemocraticPatriot]

10. There HAVE been a few other Democratic senators who expressed hesitation about

eliminating the filibuster, besides Manchin and what's-her-name from Arizona...


However, I think they are less willing to buck the will of the majority and to screw the rest of us than those 2. I think they would go along with the overwhelming will of the caucus-- but there HAVE been others. Just saying.

Based on current polling and the GOP's choice of candidates, I hope that we will end up with 52 or 53 senators after this election... but unfortunately I fear losing the House....

[tritsofme]

3. If the House flips, there would be little point in tinkering with the filibuster next year

Regardless of how many Democrats are in the Senate.

[drray23]

5. yes absolutely. I'm hoping we keep the house

otherwise the whole thing is moot.

[W_HAMILTON]

4. Yes, we are sure.

This is from an older article as well:

21 - Eliminate filibuster
27 - Committed to changes
00 - Open to changes
02 - Opposed to changes

Taken from: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/filibuster-vote-count/

[Demsrule86]

6. What does it matter? It is likely I think.

[Celerity]

9. no chance there are 48 now who will flat out bin the filibuster (which is what the OP was asking)

Are we sure that there are currently 48 democratic senators willing to get rid of the filibuster provided we get to 52 on November making it 50 ?

Some have said they would like to see the talking filibuster brought back, but some are only willing to do a few carve-outs in terms of abolition, mainly on voting rights and abortion, and the SCOTUS, to further complicate things, can and likely would strike those new laws down, at least partially, if not in toto.

[Fiendish Thingy]

8. I believe we have a firm 48 for carve outs for abortion and voting rights

DiFi spox confirmed her support for carve out for abortion rights just the other day.

The gray area is around support for court expansion.