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Fords Crackpipe

(53 posts)
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 10:34 AM Jul 2022

If Trump used executive orders to build a stupid wall, then Biden is right to do same for climate

From the following AP article entitled "Biden vowing 'strong' climate action despite dual setbacks":
https://apnews.com/article/biden-climate-change-vows-action-despite-setbacks-45e5cf05f3fe6cfb3416aeea5ea1df3c

-snip-
"The Supreme Court last month limited how the nation’s main anti-air pollution law can be used to reduce carbon dioxide emissions from power plants. Then late Thursday, Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., said he wants to delay sweeping environmental legislation that Democrats have pushed as central to achieving Biden’s ambitious climate goals."

"If the Senate will not act to address climate change and boost clean energy, “I will take strong executive action to meet this moment,? Biden said in a statement from Saudi Arabia"
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I for one am glad to see President Biden go this route. If Trump had his stupid wall built with an Executive Order, then Biden has every right to use all power available to him as President to address the existential crisis facing humanity.

If 50 repubs & 1 turncoat are going to hold not only America but the world hostage, then Biden should simply rule by EO - just like Trump did. But in this case it would be for the good of humanity.

Doesn't matter if it gets fought or overturned in the long run, Biden can simply reissue more EO's.

Going into the midterms it would shoot down McTurtle's & some MSM outlet's false narrative about 'do-nothing Dems'

So damn the torpedoes, let those EO's fly!


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If Trump used executive orders to build a stupid wall, then Biden is right to do same for climate (Original Post) Fords Crackpipe Jul 2022 OP
Give an example of an environmental EO that wouldn't be overturned by SCOTUS Fiendish Thingy Jul 2022 #1
4 things: Fords Crackpipe Jul 2022 #2
That's not an environmental EO, and it was held up in court for years Fiendish Thingy Jul 2022 #3
No I can, you completely missed my point even after explanation, you choose to ignore links I cited Fords Crackpipe Jul 2022 #4
You made the assertion, the burden of proof is on you. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2022 #5
Limited room to manuvere robodruid1 Jul 2022 #6
Well since it was Biden who stated he would 'use strong executive action to meet the moment', Fords Crackpipe Jul 2022 #7

Fiendish Thingy

(15,552 posts)
1. Give an example of an environmental EO that wouldn't be overturned by SCOTUS
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 11:53 AM
Jul 2022

Trump’s EO to build his wall was largely unsuccessful. It was tied up in court for years, and only resulted in 47 miles of the wall being built, out 1300 miles of unwalled border land.

Trump’s EO redirected previously allocated military construction funds for “border security”.

How would Biden access funds via EO to fight climate change?

Fords Crackpipe

(53 posts)
2. 4 things:
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 09:52 AM
Jul 2022

1) Done by EO:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/dhs-chief-marks-first-section-trump-s-border-wall-it-n924941

2) As for funding for it, the answers are all avail in wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_wall#Funding_plans_and_actions

3) The fact that it's not complete, or will be overturned, is beside the point (and the latter I already mentioned in my OP). The point is to show action before the midterms.

4) Bye now.



Fiendish Thingy

(15,552 posts)
3. That's not an environmental EO, and it was held up in court for years
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 09:56 AM
Jul 2022

Sorry if you can’t handle an evidence based discussion.

Fords Crackpipe

(53 posts)
4. No I can, you completely missed my point even after explanation, you choose to ignore links I cited
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 09:59 AM
Jul 2022

that prove my point, and & I'm not your damn research lackey.

Hitting ignore now

 

robodruid1

(84 posts)
6. Limited room to manuvere
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 10:26 AM
Jul 2022

Not sure what he could do. Trump found a loophole.
For better or worse, the pattern of judge shopping/national injunction has been established.

Real curious what EO's OP think would survive 24 hours.

Fords Crackpipe

(53 posts)
7. Well since it was Biden who stated he would 'use strong executive action to meet the moment',
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 10:42 AM
Jul 2022

and since he is more of an expert in such matters than this poster, you'd have to ask him.

And regardless of whether his propose EO's (the content of which remain to be seen) last 24 hrs or 24 years,
my point was to be shown to be doing something before the midterms.

Anything that gets overturned is then on the R's - not dems - of which they will hopefully face the consequences in the midterms.

And Biden is doing exactly that, which is the right thing to do IMHO - and which was the point of my post.

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