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Tue Jul 19, 2022, 04:45 PM

NC Bill 158 would make it legal to murder a pregnant woman who intends to get an abortion ...

if you are ďdefending the life of a babyĒ.






Emphasis mine

So, if I understand correctly, the far right cray cray, will be allowed to murder a pregnant person and de facto the foetus, to stop them having a termination? Even though this murder would kill the foetus, thereby making them an abortionist in fact, and therefore a murderer in the far right cray cray way of thinking. Someone please help me make this make sense. Circular firing squad meets far right patriarchy 101.

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Reply NC Bill 158 would make it legal to murder a pregnant woman who intends to get an abortion ... (Original post)
Soph0571 Jul 2022 OP
Buckeyeblue Jul 2022 #1
Rebl2 Jul 2022 #2
bucolic_frolic Jul 2022 #3
Lovie777 Jul 2022 #9
IcyPeas Jul 2022 #4
malthaussen Jul 2022 #28
mzmolly Jul 2022 #5
NickB79 Jul 2022 #6
SharonClark Jul 2022 #7
Soph0571 Jul 2022 #10
Kittycatkat Jul 2022 #8
ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2022 #13
BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #41
Hestia Jul 2022 #42
wnylib Jul 2022 #52
BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #40
colsohlibgal Jul 2022 #11
ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2022 #12
MissMillie Jul 2022 #14
Delphinus Jul 2022 #37
LeftInTX Jul 2022 #29
LudwigPastorius Jul 2022 #51
malthaussen Jul 2022 #31
Nevilledog Jul 2022 #15
tazkcmo Jul 2022 #16
BComplex Jul 2022 #17
OneGrassRoot Jul 2022 #24
Whiskeytide Jul 2022 #18
dchill Jul 2022 #19
CRK7376 Jul 2022 #20
OldBaldy1701E Jul 2022 #33
Stinky The Clown Jul 2022 #21
KentuckyWoman Jul 2022 #22
HuskyOffset Jul 2022 #23
LeftInTX Jul 2022 #30
Jilly_in_VA Jul 2022 #25
Wounded Bear Jul 2022 #26
malthaussen Jul 2022 #27
Whatthe_Firetruck Jul 2022 #32
sakabatou Jul 2022 #34
Martin68 Jul 2022 #35
temporary311 Jul 2022 #43
Martin68 Jul 2022 #50
temporary311 Jul 2022 #54
Martin68 Jul 2022 #57
Bettie Jul 2022 #36
BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #38
Novara Jul 2022 #39
Handler Jul 2022 #44
ananda Jul 2022 #45
petronius Jul 2022 #46
minstrel76 Jul 2022 #47
xocetaceans Jul 2022 #48
jmowreader Jul 2022 #49
ecstatic Jul 2022 #53
Kaleva Jul 2022 #56
Kaleva Jul 2022 #55

Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 04:46 PM

1. Talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water...

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 04:49 PM

2. They

have lost their mindís.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 04:51 PM

3. Yes they are going to protect mother and fetus with legalized execution of both

And then surprise the executioner will also be charged with murder.

This legislation should be thrown out and declared void because its internal logic is inconsistent and indefinable and irreconcilable.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 04:56 PM

9. That's the way I read it . . ...



But then again the GQP have lost all logic.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 04:51 PM

4. and would they like to stone the woman to death for this perhaps?

I mean, c'mon.

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Response to IcyPeas (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:26 AM

28. Cookout, not stoning.

Their Levitical Law calls for stoning, but nothing beats a nice, hot fire.

-- Mal

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 04:51 PM

5. What the actual

F?!

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 04:52 PM

6. The doctor is in the crosshairs

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 04:53 PM

7. I'm sure the bill's sponsors would find a way

to kill the pregnant woman slowly enough that they could harvest the fetus and implant it in another womanís womb.

Maybe shoot her in the head so they can put her on live support until the fetus is mature enough to harvest.

I am no longer surprised by the GQPís ignorance and depravity.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 04:59 PM

10. Yeah and then they would try and sue the murdered woman's estate for the medical bills... n/t

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 04:56 PM

8. This here is some sick sh$t! Stay away from red states and try to never spend money on products

made there.

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Response to Kittycatkat (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 05:10 PM

13. Or visit there. BOYCOTT the "Gilead states".

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 02:51 PM

41. See post 40.

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 03:57 PM

42. Companies are starting to pull their projects from Ark

I am sure this will be coming soon to other states. Yee haw...this is what we get from hiring convenience store clerks and insurance agents all because of the (r) behind their name, no other vetting that that.

(D)'s here aren't any better - we are asked to vote for people with no public administration skills or higher learning - just vote for me based on gender and/or skin color. Of course, this is what we get when people will no longer give to the State or DNC because...?

For the first time ever I am thinking of not voting in Midterms. Why? I want someone to vote *for* rather than just because they decide to run with a (D) behind their name.


https://www.texarkanagazette.com/news/2022/jul/07/pull-out-of-movie-leads-to-worries/

https://www.kark.com/news/business/filmmakers-move-production-from-arkansas-cite-states-abortion-trigger-law-as-reason/

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2022/jul/07/arkansas-film-workers-react-to-abortion-protest/

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Response to Hestia (Reply #42)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:44 PM

52. So, you think that not voting in this year's critical midterms

is a good idea if the Dem candidate isn't perfect enough for you? How well did that view work in 2016?

Numbers equal power in the Congress. Holding control of the House and Senate, even with "imperfect" candidates, will block Republican agendas.

Sure, we want to achieve more than just blocking their agendas. But not voting Dem this year is the same as supporting Republican policies, because that is what we will get if we don't control both houses of Congress.

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Response to Kittycatkat (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 02:50 PM

40. Abortion is legal in NC and our Dem governor is working with Planned Parenthood to make

it possible for women to come here from states where it is banned.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 05:07 PM

11. Twisted And Callous

We are speeding hard toward a Dystopian future. Democrats need to work hard to elect Democrats from the President to State And Local including election officials.

We are so so close to a dark, dark time here.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 05:08 PM

12. Would this then be a DOUBLE HOMICIDE?

Kill the Mother, you kill the future potential human inside of her. They are connected.

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 05:15 PM

14. The mother is not a "person..."

She's merely an incubator.

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 02:41 PM

37. ...

That is it.

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:31 AM

29. Exactly...if the mother dies, the non-viable fetus dies

Duh....

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #29)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:13 PM

51. Yes, they didn't quite think that one through, did they?


...but, that's to be expected from the knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, cousin-fuckers in the North Carolina GOP.

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:33 AM

31. I have been wondering about something else, amidst all this.

Let us examine the question of a pregnant woman who is assaulted by someone else, say her partner, and as a result of the assault, miscarries. Now, if we stipulate the foetus has no standing legally, then what crime, other than aggravated assault, has the partner committed? Certainly no form of homicide, since the foetus is not a person.

-- Mal

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 05:16 PM

15. Prior thread to add to discussion

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 05:20 PM

16. Indisputable scientific fact?

Nope. It's all religion, no science at all.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 05:21 PM

17. Governor Roy Cooper is SO going to veto this bill!

It will never get past him.

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Response to BComplex (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 09:46 AM

24. Unfortunately...

my understanding is that since it is proposed as a constitutional amendment, he has no veto power.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 05:21 PM

18. This is targeting providers, not really pregnant women. They ...

Ö want to immunize the killing of healthcare workers. But itís another case where idiot zealots writing laws makes for poorly thought out, idiotic laws.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 06:11 PM

19. Insane murder now, basically, legally REQUIRED.

To defend a zygote. These people are NOT representative of anything good.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 06:44 PM

20. Of course my State Repug legislators

loose their f***ing minds and pass this Crap. If lucky, Gov Cooper will stomp this crap immediately....idiots everywhere.

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Response to CRK7376 (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 01:59 PM

33. I know.

This is why I weep for my home state that used to be blue. It has been taken over by idiots and grifting vultures. All the good people that I used to know must be gone to allow this to happen. I can only dream that it will regain its senses before too much happens. This does not fill me with hope, I can tell you that.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 08:25 PM

21. Extreme much?

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2022, 08:42 PM

22. OK so a woman goes for an abortion ..

So someone tries to kill her to defend the baby. The killer of the Mom kills the unborn too.
So then someone has to kill the killer before he can kill the fetus.
But before the one trying to kill the killer can do it someone has to try and kill that guy because protect life.
And then someone has to kill the killer's killer's killer before they kill.

Eventually every Republican in North Carolina has a gun pointed at them. When that happens I'm willing to make the ultimate sacrifice and drive to North Carolina. Barely touch one of the Republicans on the hind end and yell DUCK to the mom.

End of problem.



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Response to KentuckyWoman (Reply #22)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 09:43 AM

23. It's like the world's deadliest & dumbest game of dominoes (NT)

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Response to KentuckyWoman (Reply #22)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:33 AM

30. If the mother dies, the fetus dies

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 09:55 AM

25. Real pro-life thinking there n/t

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 10:01 AM

26. "Unfortunately, it was necessary to destroy the village in order to liberate it."

A radio call from Vietnam, probably apochryphal, but apropos.

"Kill them all, let God sort them out." - From a medieval attack on a town.

http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2011/07/kill-them-all-and-let-god-sort-them-out.html



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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:24 AM

27. There is no way to have it make sense.

It is completely illogical.

There is only one way to understand this bill, as an outright attack on women. It is more proof, if any were needed, that "anti-abortion" is not about abortion or the foetus at all, but about abusing women. And I do mean "abuse:" people will tell you it is about "control," but control is not the ultimate reason for such laws.

-- Mal

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 01:14 PM

32. Naw...

... They'll probably imprison her until her 'captive fetus' is delivered, THEN execute her.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 02:01 PM

34. This bill CAN'T be legal

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 02:33 PM

35. Um, if you kill a pregnant woman to stop her from getting an abortion you are probably going

to kill the embryo/fetus she is carrying. That's murder in in NC.

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Response to Martin68 (Reply #35)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 03:59 PM

43. Yeah, but now you won't have to

pay child support, which I rather suspect this bill is actually about.

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Response to temporary311 (Reply #43)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 09:13 PM

50. Go to jail so you won't pay child support? Doesn't sound very probable.

I'm not sure you've thought this through.

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Response to Martin68 (Reply #50)

Thu Jul 21, 2022, 12:42 AM

54. Sorry, I meant passing a law making it legal

to kill a pregnant woman. Wasn't clear.

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Response to temporary311 (Reply #54)

Thu Jul 21, 2022, 09:40 AM

57. Actually, I think I understood your point but wanted to point out an inescapable built-in

contradiction. Killing a pregnant woman also kills her fetus. How could it be legal to kill a pregnant woman to prevent an abortion if doing so will kill the fetus anyway? Cognitive dissonance.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 02:35 PM

36. That also seems to mean that

women can be prosecuted for first degree murder for having an abortion or miscarriage at any point in pregnancy.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 02:45 PM

38. Abortion is legal in NC, and our Dem governor is working to make it possible for women from states

where it's not to come to NC for their health care.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 02:49 PM

39. A clump of cells is not a person

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 04:02 PM

44. Now, that is F'ed up

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 04:05 PM

45. The level of misogyny among the GOP is crazy high!

I've never seen anything like it.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 04:20 PM

46. Sounds like they want to make it legal to murder abortion providers... (nt)

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 04:25 PM

47. Is this a joke?

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 06:22 PM

48. That's an insane piece of legislation. But, can it be construed to justify abortion as defense by...

any means by a woman of her life against the "willfully [sought]" destruction thereof by the foetus (who they assert is just another person)?

I'm obviously not saying that this should pass. We should not be at this point in the US with respect to women's rights. Their proposed legislation seems exceptionally open to misinterpretation: however, I'm not a lawyer.

Can anyone clarify why this legislation cannot be read in the way that I propose it be read? Sorry, in advance, if that is an inane question.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 06:35 PM

49. Another way to look at it...

If someone who was THOUGHT to be an abortion doctor was packing heat and killed the person who was trying to kill her for being an abortion doctor, she would also be covered under this law.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 11:46 PM

53. So they want men in NC to be able murder their pregnant girlfriend/wife/sidepiece

...with no consequences. They can just declare that the woman wanted an abortion? GOP/QOP/Low Info/Non-voter women in the United States: Are you listening? This is beyond crazy. Please stop supporting this shit before it's too late for all of us. They are TELLING us who they are. It's time to fucking believe them.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #53)

Thu Jul 21, 2022, 04:54 AM

56. They want men to kill the doctors who perform the abortions.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 21, 2022, 03:36 AM

55. Looks like it's more about legalizing the killing of health care workers who provide abortions.

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