NC Bill 158 would make it legal to murder a pregnant woman who intends to get an abortion ...

[Soph0571]

if you are “defending the life of a baby”.

Link to tweet

Emphasis mine

So, if I understand correctly, the far right cray cray, will be allowed to murder a pregnant person and de facto the foetus, to stop them having a termination? Even though this murder would kill the foetus, thereby making them an abortionist in fact, and therefore a murderer in the far right cray cray way of thinking. Someone please help me make this make sense. Circular firing squad meets far right patriarchy 101.

[Buckeyeblue]

1. Talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water...

[Rebl2]

2. They

have lost their mind’s.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. Yes they are going to protect mother and fetus with legalized execution of both

And then surprise the executioner will also be charged with murder.

This legislation should be thrown out and declared void because its internal logic is inconsistent and indefinable and irreconcilable.

[Lovie777]

9. That's the way I read it . . ...

But then again the GQP have lost all logic.

[IcyPeas]

4. and would they like to stone the woman to death for this perhaps?

I mean, c'mon.

[malthaussen]

28. Cookout, not stoning.

Their Levitical Law calls for stoning, but nothing beats a nice, hot fire.

-- Mal

[mzmolly]

5. What the actual

F?!

[NickB79]

6. The doctor is in the crosshairs

[SharonClark]

7. I'm sure the bill's sponsors would find a way

to kill the pregnant woman slowly enough that they could harvest the fetus and implant it in another woman’s womb.

Maybe shoot her in the head so they can put her on live support until the fetus is mature enough to harvest.

I am no longer surprised by the GQP’s ignorance and depravity.

[Soph0571]

10. Yeah and then they would try and sue the murdered woman's estate for the medical bills... n/t

[Kittycatkat]

8. This here is some sick sh$t! Stay away from red states and try to never spend money on products

made there.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

13. Or visit there. BOYCOTT the "Gilead states".

[BlackSkimmer]

41. See post 40.

[Hestia]

42. Companies are starting to pull their projects from Ark

I am sure this will be coming soon to other states. Yee haw...this is what we get from hiring convenience store clerks and insurance agents all because of the (r) behind their name, no other vetting that that.

(D)'s here aren't any better - we are asked to vote for people with no public administration skills or higher learning - just vote for me based on gender and/or skin color. Of course, this is what we get when people will no longer give to the State or DNC because...?

For the first time ever I am thinking of not voting in Midterms. Why? I want someone to vote *for* rather than just because they decide to run with a (D) behind their name.


https://www.texarkanagazette.com/news/2022/jul/07/pull-out-of-movie-leads-to-worries/

https://www.kark.com/news/business/filmmakers-move-production-from-arkansas-cite-states-abortion-trigger-law-as-reason/

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2022/jul/07/arkansas-film-workers-react-to-abortion-protest/

[wnylib]

52. So, you think that not voting in this year's critical midterms

is a good idea if the Dem candidate isn't perfect enough for you? How well did that view work in 2016?

Numbers equal power in the Congress. Holding control of the House and Senate, even with "imperfect" candidates, will block Republican agendas.

Sure, we want to achieve more than just blocking their agendas. But not voting Dem this year is the same as supporting Republican policies, because that is what we will get if we don't control both houses of Congress.

[BlackSkimmer]

40. Abortion is legal in NC and our Dem governor is working with Planned Parenthood to make

it possible for women to come here from states where it is banned.

[colsohlibgal]

11. Twisted And Callous

We are speeding hard toward a Dystopian future. Democrats need to work hard to elect Democrats from the President to State And Local including election officials.

We are so so close to a dark, dark time here.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

12. Would this then be a DOUBLE HOMICIDE?

Kill the Mother, you kill the future potential human inside of her. They are connected.

[MissMillie]

14. The mother is not a "person..."

She's merely an incubator.

[Delphinus]

37. ...

That is it.

[LeftInTX]

29. Exactly...if the mother dies, the non-viable fetus dies

Duh....

[LudwigPastorius]

51. Yes, they didn't quite think that one through, did they?

...but, that's to be expected from the knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, cousin-fuckers in the North Carolina GOP.

[malthaussen]

31. I have been wondering about something else, amidst all this.

Let us examine the question of a pregnant woman who is assaulted by someone else, say her partner, and as a result of the assault, miscarries. Now, if we stipulate the foetus has no standing legally, then what crime, other than aggravated assault, has the partner committed? Certainly no form of homicide, since the foetus is not a person.

-- Mal

[Nevilledog]

15. Prior thread to add to discussion

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216943532

[tazkcmo]

16. Indisputable scientific fact?

Nope. It's all religion, no science at all.

[BComplex]

17. Governor Roy Cooper is SO going to veto this bill!

It will never get past him.

[OneGrassRoot]

24. Unfortunately...

my understanding is that since it is proposed as a constitutional amendment, he has no veto power.

[Whiskeytide]

18. This is targeting providers, not really pregnant women. They ...

… want to immunize the killing of healthcare workers. But it’s another case where idiot zealots writing laws makes for poorly thought out, idiotic laws.

[dchill]

19. Insane murder now, basically, legally REQUIRED.

To defend a zygote. These people are NOT representative of anything good.

[CRK7376]

20. Of course my State Repug legislators

loose their f***ing minds and pass this Crap. If lucky, Gov Cooper will stomp this crap immediately....idiots everywhere.

[OldBaldy1701E]

33. I know.

This is why I weep for my home state that used to be blue. It has been taken over by idiots and grifting vultures. All the good people that I used to know must be gone to allow this to happen. I can only dream that it will regain its senses before too much happens. This does not fill me with hope, I can tell you that.

[Stinky The Clown]

21. Extreme much?

[KentuckyWoman]

22. OK so a woman goes for an abortion ..

So someone tries to kill her to defend the baby. The killer of the Mom kills the unborn too.
So then someone has to kill the killer before he can kill the fetus.
But before the one trying to kill the killer can do it someone has to try and kill that guy because protect life.
And then someone has to kill the killer's killer's killer before they kill.

Eventually every Republican in North Carolina has a gun pointed at them. When that happens I'm willing to make the ultimate sacrifice and drive to North Carolina. Barely touch one of the Republicans on the hind end and yell DUCK to the mom.

End of problem.

[HuskyOffset]

23. It's like the world's deadliest & dumbest game of dominoes (NT)

[LeftInTX]

30. If the mother dies, the fetus dies

[Jilly_in_VA]

25. Real pro-life thinking there n/t

[Wounded Bear]

26. "Unfortunately, it was necessary to destroy the village in order to liberate it."

A radio call from Vietnam, probably apochryphal, but apropos.

"Kill them all, let God sort them out." - From a medieval attack on a town.

http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2011/07/kill-them-all-and-let-god-sort-them-out.html

[malthaussen]

27. There is no way to have it make sense.

It is completely illogical.

There is only one way to understand this bill, as an outright attack on women. It is more proof, if any were needed, that "anti-abortion" is not about abortion or the foetus at all, but about abusing women. And I do mean "abuse:" people will tell you it is about "control," but control is not the ultimate reason for such laws.

-- Mal

[Whatthe_Firetruck]

32. Naw...

... They'll probably imprison her until her 'captive fetus' is delivered, THEN execute her.

[sakabatou]

34. This bill CAN'T be legal

[Martin68]

35. Um, if you kill a pregnant woman to stop her from getting an abortion you are probably going

to kill the embryo/fetus she is carrying. That's murder in in NC.

[temporary311]

43. Yeah, but now you won't have to

pay child support, which I rather suspect this bill is actually about.

[Martin68]

50. Go to jail so you won't pay child support? Doesn't sound very probable.

I'm not sure you've thought this through.

[temporary311]

54. Sorry, I meant passing a law making it legal

to kill a pregnant woman. Wasn't clear.

[Martin68]

57. Actually, I think I understood your point but wanted to point out an inescapable built-in

contradiction. Killing a pregnant woman also kills her fetus. How could it be legal to kill a pregnant woman to prevent an abortion if doing so will kill the fetus anyway? Cognitive dissonance.

[Bettie]

36. That also seems to mean that

women can be prosecuted for first degree murder for having an abortion or miscarriage at any point in pregnancy.

[BlackSkimmer]

38. Abortion is legal in NC, and our Dem governor is working to make it possible for women from states

where it's not to come to NC for their health care.

[Novara]

39. A clump of cells is not a person

[Handler]

44. Now, that is F'ed up

[ananda]

45. The level of misogyny among the GOP is crazy high!

I've never seen anything like it.

[petronius]

46. Sounds like they want to make it legal to murder abortion providers... (nt)

[minstrel76]

47. Is this a joke?

[xocetaceans]

48. That's an insane piece of legislation. But, can it be construed to justify abortion as defense by...

any means by a woman of her life against the "willfully [sought]" destruction thereof by the foetus (who they assert is just another person)?

I'm obviously not saying that this should pass. We should not be at this point in the US with respect to women's rights. Their proposed legislation seems exceptionally open to misinterpretation: however, I'm not a lawyer.

Can anyone clarify why this legislation cannot be read in the way that I propose it be read? Sorry, in advance, if that is an inane question.

[jmowreader]

49. Another way to look at it...

If someone who was THOUGHT to be an abortion doctor was packing heat and killed the person who was trying to kill her for being an abortion doctor, she would also be covered under this law.

[ecstatic]

53. So they want men in NC to be able murder their pregnant girlfriend/wife/sidepiece

...with no consequences. They can just declare that the woman wanted an abortion? GOP/QOP/Low Info/Non-voter women in the United States: Are you listening? This is beyond crazy. Please stop supporting this shit before it's too late for all of us. They are TELLING us who they are. It's time to fucking believe them.

[Kaleva]

56. They want men to kill the doctors who perform the abortions.

[Kaleva]

55. Looks like it's more about legalizing the killing of health care workers who provide abortions.