Are you urging this court to find that you can handcuff a woman to a bed and force her to give birth

[tulipsandroses]

These cases are older cases, but I imagine that with the fall of Roe, incidents like these will be more common.

Forced Cesarean Section
SNIP———
When an attorney for the hospital argued that it was appropriate to sacrifice a dying woman for her fetus, one judge replied incredulously, "Are you urging this court to find that you can handcuff a woman to a bed and force her to give birth?"
In the most notorious incident, in 1987 administrators of George Washington University Hospital went to court to force Angela Carder, a pregnant woman ill with cancer, to undergo a cesarean section. When both she and her critically premature baby died shortly after the surgery, the c-section was listed as a contributing cause of her death.

At the age of 27, Carder had already survived two previous bouts of cancer by undergoing aggressive treatments of chemotherapy, radiation, and surgery. With her cancer in remission and optimistic about her prognosis, she married and became pregnant.

When Carder was 26 weeks pregnant, doctors discovered that her cancer had returned and metastasized. Carder, her parents, her husband, and the hospital's obstetrical staff agreed on a course of treatment aimed at keeping her alive for at least another two weeks, at which point intervention to save the fetus might be possible. According to Carder's mother, her daughter "wanted to live long enough to hold that baby." But, as Carder's condition rapidly deteriorated, hospital administrators feared she would not live that long. They rushed to court and obtained an order authorizing the hospital to perform an immediate c-section. They did so without first contacting Carder's longtime cancer specialist, who later stated that he would have testified that the operation at that point in time was "medically inadvisable both for Angela Carder and for the fetus." Fearing that neither Angela nor the fetus would survive the surgery, Carder's husband, parents, and obstetricians all opposed the c-section at 26 and a half weeks gestation; when Carder herself learned of the court order, she said repeatedly, "I don't want it done."

https://www.aclu.org/other/coercive-and-punitive-governmental-responses-womens-conduct-during-pregnancy

Laura Pemberton was in active labor in her home in Florida. Her doctors believed she was putting her unborn child in danger by attempting to have a vaginal birth after cesarean so they obtained a court order to force her to have a C-section. The sheriff went to her home, took her into custody, strapped her legs together and forced her to go to the hospital where an emergency hearing determined the state’s interest in protecting her unborn baby. Laura and her husband were not allowed legal counsel. Ultimately, she was forced to have the surgery she’d refused and felt was unnecessary. When she later sued for violation of civil rights, the court ruled that the state’s interest outweighed Laura’s First, Fourth and Fourteenth amendment rights. Laura subsequently gave birth vaginally to three other healthy children, calling into question the medical predictions of harm from VBAC.

https://blog.everymothercounts.org/a-new-study-details-how-roe-v-wade-and-proposed-personhood-laws-affect-every-woman-b6450825d48

[Solly Mack]

1. K&R

[Demovictory9]

2. Doctors would tire of waiting out labor and force.c sections..mostly black women..not that long ago

I recall reading about it. Women would be in the process of hour long labor..against her will she would be strapped down amd c sectioned.... Within last 20/30 years

[Cairycat]

3. Many mothers wanting a vaginal birth after cesarean

have understood that they might be forced into another cesarean, so they birth at home or delay going into the hospital.

This was true 25 years ago, and you are right, with what's happened to Roe recently, forcing women to have cesareans will become more common.

[tulipsandroses]

4. I shouldn't be shocked, but it's the language of these decisions that really anger me

In the best interest of the state?
In another case it was argued that:
“the mother had made the choice to lend her body to her child and therefore had a duty to ensure the welfare of the infant.”
Another case, the hospital was awarded fetal guardianship when the mother refused to have a C-Section. Which then begs the question, who else can be granted fetal guardianship?

These arguments make it clear that a woman is nothing more than a vessel. To hell with what you, your partner wants. Give us the fetus.

I wonder if some of these pro life folks have thought about how far this will go? Even in cases of wanted pregnancy, to have your bodily autonomy stripped from you and forced into a surgical procedure .

[milestogo]

5. The birthing mother used to be treated as if she were the baby's adversary.

Drugged and tied down, as if she were an obstacle to a healthy baby. Apparently we're back to that again.

[niyad]

6. and the WAR ON WOMEN continues apace. Would you consider cross-posting this in

Women's Rights And Issues? Thanks in advance.

[tulipsandroses]

8. Sure thing.

Will do

[Hoosier_Progressiv]

7. A women's rights

I hope young women read this, hear about this and it scares them to vote republicans out of office this November or be ready to lose their rights over everything from education to healthcare to childbearing. I hope men are not so myopic and patriarchal that they stand by and let women's rights get crushed.

[Pepsidog]

9. I'm speechless and mad as F'.

[YoshidaYui]

10. WTF

Glad I live in California! It sounds like the GOP wants women to become property again. Fuck them.

[calimary]

11. Woman as Property.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

12. Yep. Right out of the Old Testament.

Deuteronomy 22:

28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

The rapist buys his victim. What's 50 shekels of silver these days? Of course, that only applies if "they be found".

[central scrutinizer]

14. Service animals

The harness doubles as an apron

[Irish_Dem]

13. This is why wealthy women will hire handmaidens to get pregnant for them.

Let the handmaidens be chained to hospital beds and forced to die slowly and painfully.

[Novara]

15. utter monsters