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Looks like the Jan. 6 Committee is beginning to look at the Dept. of Defense. (Original Post) Tomconroy Jul 2022 OP
beginning to, publicly, look at DOD empedocles Jul 2022 #1
Miller, Cipollone...bullshit CYA word salad agingdem Jul 2022 #2
the oath thing means nothing to "conservatives/; rampartc Jul 2022 #20
Miller and Cipollone are not going down for Trump.. agingdem Jul 2022 #24
J6 is leaving no Stone unturned, hopefully they'll get to the Flynn brothers MagickMuffin Jul 2022 #3
That's one I'm waiting to see too. 2naSalit Jul 2022 #5
The Flynn-Stones usonian Jul 2022 #9
Nicely played malaise Jul 2022 #11
well done! pandr32 Jul 2022 #12
I'll make it an OP. People need some cheering up today. nt usonian Jul 2022 #15
Excellent pandr32 Jul 2022 #25
This thread is HOT. I got 4 replies here and one reply to the OP. usonian Jul 2022 #26
Love this. halfulglas Jul 2022 #17
Clever!!! tavernier Jul 2022 #23
Trump thought Miller would back up his claims of having troops on standby.. kentuck Jul 2022 #4
The problem TFG has in trying to lie about this HuskyOffset Jul 2022 #6
The other problem... jmowreader Jul 2022 #13
Not sure about that. When you're in the guard, you're in the army. ashredux Jul 2022 #14
Only the Guard can do policing jmowreader Jul 2022 #27
Agree... but National Guard units can be Federalized and be used in other states...that was the issue ashredux Jul 2022 #29
If Trump had given an order to have 10,000 troops ready, it would have been to support Lonestarblue Jul 2022 #7
Bingo! CaptainTruth Jul 2022 #8
Exactly LiberalLovinLug Jul 2022 #10
"....10,000 troops ready.... to support the insurrection, not stop it." Wow, it just hit me. jaxexpat Jul 2022 #21
Before Miller's 1/4/21 letter to the D.C. National Guard the D.C. National Guard had the autonomy .. Botany Jul 2022 #16
It could have been SO much worse if the last minute chess pieces in Defense halfulglas Jul 2022 #18
What an odd blessing....... and from such an unexpected construct. jaxexpat Jul 2022 #22
So then, TFG made up a LIE out of whole cloth? Martin Eden Jul 2022 #19
TFG lied about contacting the National Guard LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2022 #28

agingdem

(7,849 posts)
2. Miller, Cipollone...bullshit CYA word salad
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 10:32 AM
Jul 2022

until it comes down to "Did he or did he not______ (fill in the blank)...yes or no?"...and then that oath thingy kicks in...

agingdem

(7,849 posts)
24. Miller and Cipollone are not going down for Trump..
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 01:19 PM
Jul 2022

they can obfuscate but they will not lie under oath knowing their testimony is playing out in public thanks to the J6 committee hearings...and I bet there are witnesses who would put truth to their lies if in fact they plead the 5th or claim selective amnesia..

MagickMuffin

(15,936 posts)
3. J6 is leaving no Stone unturned, hopefully they'll get to the Flynn brothers
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 10:38 AM
Jul 2022


They be eye deep in the dark state!


usonian

(9,782 posts)
9. The Flynn-Stones
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 11:33 AM
Jul 2022
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16957864

Flynn-Stones
Meet the Flynn Stones
They're the modern stone-age family
From the Hotel Willard
They made plans to kill democracy

Let's ride in the limo with Mike Pence
His life isn't worth eleven cents.

When you're with the Flynn-Stones
Have a G.O.P. sedition
A great new year tradition.
We're gonna do hard time.

usonian

(9,782 posts)
26. This thread is HOT. I got 4 replies here and one reply to the OP.
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 01:55 PM
Jul 2022


It's not for the fame and glory. I just want to spread the good word(s)
Mark Twain is one of my heroes.

kentuck

(111,082 posts)
4. Trump thought Miller would back up his claims of having troops on standby..
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 10:48 AM
Jul 2022

The Committee just shot down his hopes.

HuskyOffset

(888 posts)
6. The problem TFG has in trying to lie about this
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 11:13 AM
Jul 2022

is the sheer scope of having 10,000 troops "at the ready". The number of people, from the SecDef on down to squad leaders, who would be involved in that order is HUGE. If he didn't actually give that order, it's impossible to lie about it.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
13. The other problem...
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 12:03 PM
Jul 2022

National Guard troops only have police powers inside their states. The second a National Guard unit crosses the state line, it’s subject to Posse Comitatus.

The DC National Guard only has 2700 members. Not only did Trump not call out 10,000 or 20,000 or whatever it is this week members of the National Guard, he didn’t have that many to call out in the first place.

ashredux

(2,605 posts)
29. Agree... but National Guard units can be Federalized and be used in other states...that was the issue
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 02:18 PM
Jul 2022

Lonestarblue

(9,980 posts)
7. If Trump had given an order to have 10,000 troops ready, it would have been to support
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 11:18 AM
Jul 2022

the insurrection, not stop it. He planned to declare martial law but had no clue about the logistics involved in doing so. Trump is too ignorant of the real world to know more than how to order someone to do things for him.

CaptainTruth

(6,589 posts)
8. Bingo!
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 11:33 AM
Jul 2022

I still believe that is why Trump was taken out of the DC Guard chain of command on Jan 4, to prevent him from using the Guard to stop certification of the vote.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
10. Exactly
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 11:37 AM
Jul 2022

I think there was a hairbrained scheme to use friendly allies in the military like Flynn’s brother in the pentagon and others we may never know about to help Trump steal the presidency.

jaxexpat

(6,820 posts)
21. "....10,000 troops ready.... to support the insurrection, not stop it." Wow, it just hit me.
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 12:58 PM
Jul 2022

There is evidence for that somewhere. Either witness testimony or "CYA" meeting notes, but it may well come to this. An attempt to over throw the government by military coup may ultimately be the only case against Trump that CAN'T remain unprosecuted. It is perhaps a trail of clues to this "unimaginable" crime which has our Garland off beating the bushes in an apparent delay to prosecute Trump.

The whole concept that Trump would attempt to have thousands of US military personnel assigned to keep him in power is much too in-line with his modus operandi to not be true. Which means there are potentially multiple people in uniform who knew Trump was talking about a coup whose testimony hasn't, yet, been released.

This is all a great laughable theory, of course, and pretty whacky but there was a time when the very idea that an asshole like Donald Fucking Trump would be elected president of the USA was untenable for the most well informed and laughable to the rest of us.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
16. Before Miller's 1/4/21 letter to the D.C. National Guard the D.C. National Guard had the autonomy ..
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 12:17 PM
Jul 2022

.... to respond to things like the 1/6/21 attempted coup/violent attack on the US Capitol on
their own but Miller stopped that and how did Miller on 1/4/21 know to write about "riot control
agents?"

Trump fired Sec. of Defense Esper right after he lost the election and installed Miller in his stead.

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
18. It could have been SO much worse if the last minute chess pieces in Defense
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 12:37 PM
Jul 2022

Installed by Trump had a lot more understanding of how their department sections actually functioned and the rules surrounding those functions. He pretty much thought those people were interchangeable.

jaxexpat

(6,820 posts)
22. What an odd blessing....... and from such an unexpected construct.
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 01:03 PM
Jul 2022

Our "Byzantine" and labyrinthian chain of command prevents the Commander in Chief from being able to command the army to overthrow the government. Whoddathunkit?

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