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"Damage Assessment" of the materials taken from MAL. Brilliant move! (MSNBC just now)
no_hypocrisy
(46,080 posts)What will Damage Assessment demonstrate? What is it?
Ocelot II
(115,674 posts)to our national security if the TS documents were seen or given to foreign actors.
no_hypocrisy
(46,080 posts)paleotn
(17,911 posts)Donnie didn't keep this stuff for his reading enjoyment. The cretin who monetizes everything, monetized our national security. We need to know how badly we're damaged. Shit is getting very real.
aggiesal
(8,911 posts)Pendejo45 planned to make money off these documents.
This is a big deal in the intelligence community, where a clearance holders' financial problems could be easily compromised.
This is an area where clearances would be withheld.
I have to believe, this is why Jarvanka were denied clearances and may be one of the reasons Biden would not share intelligence information Pendejo45. I'm sure Pendejo45 was banking on that intelligence.
RocRizzo55
(980 posts)already made money on some of those documents. It seems to be the only thing that motivates him. Not to mention his supremacist attitude. Orange Julius Caesar/
erronis
(15,241 posts)And I'm sure the leakages have started as soon as he was briefed as the (r)epuglicon candidate in 2016.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)exist. Or have ever existed. Thank god for that! But let's just say comes down to 10 documents are missing, for example. I can hear trump saying right now " I have no idea". And it's not like the person or entity that he sold them to could or would speak up. Reminds me of a theft of the Mona Lisa.
DENVERPOPS
(8,810 posts)Quite positively........Not only Trump but his spawn and her husband Jared.
Why would the Saudi's sponsor and pay for a Trump Resort Golf Tournament. Except to gather nefarious characters from all over the globe in one place??????
Why did Jared go down to visit the Saudi's, without even staying the night, and come back with a 150 Million Dollar "loan" that he desperately need to bail out one of his disastrous real estate deals the next week.
Why did Jared get a TWO BILLION DOLLAR investment a few weeks ago in his business that doesn't even exist at this time.
There is probably a ludicrous amount of money in off shore accounts under Trump, Ivanka, and Jared stashed away from all their grifting during the distribution of PPE stockpiles during the Covid Epidemic......
Trump probably just GAVE AWAY any and all military/nuclear intel to Putin. Not only on the U.S. but every other Nuclear armed country in the world.
Who knows how much other info he gave Putin, let alone sold to the highest worldwide bidder.
This is so far out of control, and I seriously don't think we know the massive amounts of it. This shit is just the literal tip of the iceberg.
If I was the DOJ and FBI I would be executing NO KNOCK search warrants on Ivanka and Jared's home. But they are much smarter than Daddy Don and probably already have it stashed away in other locations.
For conspiracy nuts, why would Donnie bury his wife's coffin on his property besides the obvious tax scam for additional grifting?
Maybe it has much more than her in the coffin? Right on Trump's property where he can guard it constantly from being exhumed?
WASF
triron
(21,999 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,810 posts)and their actions were minute and petty compared to this shit.
We could sit down and literally list hundreds and hundreds of politicians and people, other than just the Trump Family Criminal Syndicate that were complicit and actually enabled these seditionist/treasonous crimes for years and years!
I would start with the Republicans in the U.S. House and U.S. Senate, the entire Trump administration at any and all levels, including his hand picked cabinet members, Agency Heads, and several U.S. Military commanders/generals.
I would start the list with Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham..................
Regardless of the technical definition of Treason, this was an outright overt act to overthrow Democracy and our Federal Government by a group of people.........Treason.......not some lesser named crime. Just like these same people calling the J6 INSURRECTION, "a group of tourists "just visiting" our nation's capitol".......
I had always believed that Treasonists were given the Death Penalty just like the Rosenbergs. On a scale of 1 to 100, comparatively the Rosenbergs were a one, and all these want to be Fascist Tyrants were 100 ........
WASF
triron
(21,999 posts)But a bunch of them need some prison time.
DENVERPOPS
(8,810 posts)but due to the MAGNITUDE of all their actions on a continued basis for years and years in this case I have to disagree with you.....
It is not only their "actions" but their "Intent" and "certain" results if they had/ or do succeed in their goals.....
And, if they win, and the U.S. Population is reduced to the Top 1% and everyone else serfs and peasants?
No health care, no Social Security, No Medicare, No welfare, No food stamps, No minimum wage, No consumer protection, No FDA, No regulatory agency of any kind, barely affordable and meager food, ALL Real estate owned by Corporations and Oligarchs, and on and on and on??????????????
Their actions during the Covid epidemic alone were nothing less than Genocide.............
We are one millimeter away from a "Corporate Fascist Tyranny".......
Most of this group maliciously and painstakingly organized, orchestrated, and directly took part in this overthrow of Democracy and Our Nation, for over forty years.......The rest were present and actively enabling Trump and the Republican Party, especially the last four years.
At best, we should build a humongous Colorado SuperMax and sentence these hundreds and hundreds and hundreds all to life without parole. They are un-questionably all sub-human pieces of excrement........................
After just six months at Super Max, McVeigh begged and pleaded for the death penalty, and they did just that........
colorado_ufo
(5,733 posts)Likely a lead-lined coffin to prevent x-ray investigation into the contents.
DENVERPOPS
(8,810 posts)You are correct, ground penetrating radar can view what is inside the casket without exhuming it.........
And the FBI has ground penetrating radar...................I doubt the FBI would even be required to have a warrant in a cemetery, but on Trump owned golf course, they would probably have a hard time getting a search warrant to even use the Ground Penetrating Radar.......
I would still execute a no knock search warrant on Jared and Ivanka's domain........If for no other reason than to make them sweat along with Daddy dearest. And speaking of "others" sweating....... thx to the FBI for examining every single finger print on all the documents they confiscated last week and ALSO the documents gathered in June from Mar-a-lago.......
Grasswire2
(13,568 posts)And so every enemy could possibly have the identities of our agents.
DENVERPOPS
(8,810 posts)who was with the nuclear inspectors and he dared talk to the press and told them that there was no yellowcake and that Cheney/Rumsfeld/Powell were all lying to sell their invasion of Iraq. He said invading Iraq was stupid, they didn't have anything except oil, (which was exactly why Cheney wanted Sadam/Iraq over thrown so Halliburton (his past employer) and other oil companies divide up the oil reserves in Iraq among themselves.....)
In retaliation, Cheney/Rumsfeld/etc in front of the press outed his wife as a CIA agent who was running a front business as an importer and exporter. Every foreign government dealing with her heard that!!!!!!!! We have no idea of who or how many CIA spies died because of that. Certainly anyone working for her, here or abroad for starters.............
So a listing of all our agents, world wide, with ANY agency, would be devastating to the U.S. and a death sentence for the spy....
Jared went down to the Saudi's with a briefcase and left it with them, not even spending the night, but returning immediately after the delivery. He came back with 150 million "loan" to bail out one of his real estate debacles from a bank that would have foreclosed on him the next week when he couldn't make the payment. Interestingly, on reliable source said that several members of the Royal family "Disappeared"????? the next week. Coincidence? I think not.
Grasswire2
(13,568 posts)And we used to call the Bush-Cheney cabal the "Octopus" --- this is magnitudes worse.
DENVERPOPS
(8,810 posts)were rank amateurs when compared to Trump, the Republican Party of today, the Repubs in the U.S. Senate and the Repubs in the U.S. House.........
And Daddy Cheney is JUST NOW coming out in defense of his daughter????????? WTF?????????? Hell, Cheney and his whole gang paved the way for all this shit, and has endorsed the Republicans all the way since........
aggiesal
(8,911 posts)Iraqi
Liberation
They realize that the abbreviation of OIL was too obvious,
so they changed it to
Operation
Iraqi
Freedom
DENVERPOPS
(8,810 posts)very fitting and quite funny. Perfect in Fact........ Thx
Remember when Rummy stood in front of the press and said it would only cost three billion and the Iraqis would pay us back quickly out of oil profits???? And how the Iraqis people would greet us with flowers, throwing them at all the troops as we paraded thru bagdad???
How about when Colin Powell sold soul to get into the white boy club by telling us a picture of a worn out weed sprayer was a weapon of mass destruction..
The stupid Republican Voters that voted Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/etc in for a second term after that conflagration of bullshit, multiplied and now number 70 million believing anything Trump and the Republican Party and Republican Politicians tell them, no matter how far fetched the lie........
aggiesal
(8,911 posts)Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor
means don't lie.
90-percent
(6,829 posts)I'm thinking maybe Scott Ritter?
His was one of very few voices that said there was no nuke making materials. I think he was a U.N. inspector at the time. I remember how sickening it was in the rush to "get those bastards that did this to us', to quote dik cheney.
I also remember McClatchy was the only major news outlet that even questioned the veracity of the grounds of the invasion.
And cheney and un-American NY Times stenographer Judith Miller had a cute little scam where cheney would feed her classified info that she published and cheney then quoted her stories because he could now talk about them because they were now public domain instead of classified.
And they all got away with it and are still enjoying their freedoms.
-90% Jimmy
EDIT: oh, yeah, also outing Valerie Plame, wife of Joe Wilson, who was also speaking out about Saddams almost non-existant nuclear program. Remember, folks, we didn't want the smoking gun to come in the form of a mushroom cloud. also, exposing Plame probably resulted in the deaths of informants she may have been working with.
DENVERPOPS
(8,810 posts)Thank you.......Great summary........Everything comes back to me now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And just like Comey coming in at the last minute with the PURELY fabricated bullshit email lies that kept Hillary from winning,
The Republicans paraded Colin Powell into the picture and he was put at the front of the stage to tell the people that HE personally "confirmed" the BS lies about WMD being spewed by Cheney/Rummy. Powell displayed enlarged pictures of a long ago abandoned civilian weed sprayer in an old field, (LOL), which he said proved the existence of the Iraq WMD weapons. That, and along with some enlarged pictures of some discarded old aluminum tubes left over from somewhere, were enough to sway the public over just enough to the Republican's side......that enabled Cheney/Rumsfeld launched Desert Storm....
A lot of people, for some reason, thought they could trust Colin Powell's word......After Powell's infamous/nefarious Mai Lai? "Incident" they public should have known better..........
AND...... Colin Powell should have known better when dealing with the Republicans, that they would use and abuse him and then kick him to the curb. Which, is in fact, exactly what they did shortly after his Oscar winning performance.....He sooo much wanted to be accepted and approved into the Repub's White Boys Club, he thought that his testimony, backing up a major LIE would get him into the club for sure this time.......
90-percent
(6,829 posts)because you get a clear view of history because you lived through it. my political awareness sprouted in full bloom after the bogus incorrect bush v. gore decision in 2000. (or 2001?)
you can draw a straight line between that decision and the most recent outlawing abortion sc decision of 2 months ago.
-90% Jimmy
DENVERPOPS
(8,810 posts)My focus dramatically increased with what the Republicans (HWBush) were corruptly doing before the Reagan/Carter election in 1980.
The Republican's actions before and immediately after the "appointment" of Reagan to the Presidency were by many people's definitions Treasonous. It truly was just as criminally egregious, probably more so, and not that much different from the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections. But like I said, the Republicans actions to win the election were considered by many to be Treason at the time. Then, of course, there was the 2016 election where Putin and Republicans "installed" Trump as president......in addition to a large number of U.S. Senators, and State Governors.
The USSC decision in 2010 called "Citizens United" was the #1 worst decision EVER for our Democracy, for our country.
I have been screaming from the roof tops about this shit ever since October of 1980????..........
I have often said that the best title for a set of books about the past 40+ years would be: WHILE THE NATION SLEPT
OMGWTF
(3,951 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)Last edited Sat Aug 13, 2022, 10:02 PM - Edit history (1)
that had already left via Mar a lago in the last 5+ years.
DENVERPOPS
(8,810 posts)for four years.............
I would guess it was un-fathomably more than "SOME" documents and/or "SOME" top secret info and that he probably already sold Billions of it to different governments around the world, and also GAVE a free copy of everything to his bestest buddy Putin. That way Putin would continue to screw with elections in the U.S.House and Senate for the next two elections in 2018 and 2020.
Folks, WASF
wnylib
(21,432 posts)to a country where we can't touch him.
I an betting that was his plan.
Also betting that he has already sold some.
Should be a public hanging for this traitor and his accomplices.
erronis
(15,241 posts)I would guess that our security services are looking at every escape whole that this traitor could use to get back in his bff's arms.
Not sure putine really wants to see him or his entourage, however. Whatever land/sea/air vehicle they use may go poof.
wnylib
(21,432 posts)besides Russia. He might like the Middle East for a rich life style.
LiberalArkie
(15,713 posts)something.
wnylib
(21,432 posts)since 2001, so I think Biden just took advantage of an opportunity to off him when it came up.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)to hide. I'm not just talking about our intelligence community either. What was in that document about the President of France?
OMGWTF
(3,951 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,278 posts)aggiesal
(8,911 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,278 posts)COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)Any of those documents. I dont have access, I dont have need to know, and I havent been read on for anything in that area, but Im cleared. If I EVER was found with a classified document (even one) at my house, my clearance would be gone and my career would be over. I expect Id have problems if I even had CUI data at home (the old FOUO for you other old timers). But classified? Forget it..Id be toast. Its interesting to me how people are pretzeling themselves for this ass. I hope its worth it.
pnwest
(3,266 posts)Im fuckin ded
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Worse every single day.
Good move by Congress. Lives are in danger.
Raven
(13,889 posts)Nevilledog
(51,080 posts)Irish_Dem
(46,918 posts)Experts look at specific docs and make a determination about the amount of damage possibly done if our enemies got them, damage to US national security, etc.
For example someone from the CIA would look at the docs and estimate how much damage to their operations, including the death of CIA agents.
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)Or codes to silos
Irish_Dem
(46,918 posts)Locations, names, types of weaponry, capability, blueprints, etc.
Codes are changed frequently, so hopefully that is OK.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)was to find out if the US would use nukes in Nam & they found out through their spies findings that the US wouldn't use nukes so they knew how far they could push the US, kind of like putin knows how far he can push the US over Ukraine.
Irish_Dem
(46,918 posts)Yes that kind of information would be discussed at the Pentagon when doing war planning and strategy.
I am sure Putin has all of that intel by now.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)Irish_Dem
(46,918 posts)Trump is a loose cannon and unpredictable.
And would sell to the highest bidder.
Putin knew he had to get the info as quickly as possible.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)The navy never gives out any information about our submarine service.
Irish_Dem
(46,918 posts)Capabilities, missile bays locations, etc.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)nada, except maybe to say we have subs and they are awesome.
Irish_Dem
(46,918 posts)As I recall Trump outed a US boomer sitting somewhere in the Yellow Sea between North Korea and Shanghai.
We can usually guess where US subs might be.
Wherever the Russian subs are.
Walleye
(31,008 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)All the DOJ knows about right now all the documents they're retrieved . . . not all the documents Trump may ever have taken.
Irish_Dem
(46,918 posts)But yes of course, there is most likely missing information.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Works for me.
ificandream
(9,363 posts)GypsyTejas
(7 posts)The spines of 200 Republicans lawmakers.
Evolve Dammit
(16,723 posts)markodochartaigh
(1,138 posts)"What the FBI Has Found thus far
The spines of 200 Republicans lawmakers."
And now with advances in electron microscope technology which can show us individual atoms, those Republican spines can be seen!
EndlessWire
(6,513 posts)livetohike
(22,138 posts)niyad
(113,259 posts)MissMillie
(38,549 posts)I like you already.
kentuck
(111,079 posts)I would bet.
Irish_Dem
(46,918 posts)Then I hope they turn beet red and do something about it.
lastlib
(23,213 posts)(the word "defib could be taken two ways...........)
Irish_Dem
(46,918 posts)But yes when national security experts look at the docs, we will know more about the extent of the damage.
And certainly yes, this could be bad, very bad.
HariSeldon
(455 posts)He's the FBI chief of counterintelligence and he was there at Mar-a-Lago personally reviewing the documents collected.
Irish_Dem
(46,918 posts)The American people need some reassurance, but maybe there is none to give.
Thanks for the info!
Lonestarblue
(9,971 posts)absolutely white faced. I remember Feinstein looking like a ghost. I think that may have been the briefing on Russian interference with the election and the possibility of Trump being a Russian asset. With his theft of top secret documents relating to nuclear topics, that is actually looking more likely. Putin would be especially interested in how many nuclear submarines we have, their firepower, and where they are.
There is just no reason other than nefarious purposes for Trump to take top secret documents that are not personal letters or mementos.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)from Putin was to reveal to him the name.
erronis
(15,241 posts)I'll bet that the evidence presented won't be the complete picture.
Some of the obvious late-term appointments by the traitor-tot were to hinder normal governance. There will probably be many more that have been embedded earlier - some even in prior administrations.
Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)will say they have seen the damage assesment and it's no big deal. The people who voted for them will believe it.
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)how could it be so damaging unless it actually contained the nuclear codes?
Evolve Dammit
(16,723 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)They are changed daily.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)lastlib
(23,213 posts)just a guess.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,306 posts)https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/
Jeez, it's frightening to see which Republicans get that access.
Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)and Gym Jordan will be committee chairmen.
central scrutinizer
(11,648 posts)Claiming its a partisan smear campaign.
WarGamer
(12,436 posts)They will run to tell Trump and Hannity and Carlson.
Raven
(13,889 posts)Jarqui
(10,123 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Irish_Dem
(46,918 posts)Trump is capable of selling out the US to the highest bidder.
Evolve Dammit
(16,723 posts)classified docs for the last 2 years or the time he was in office? We will never know. He used his own phone. We (the people) have no idea, and he knew that going in. He planned the nefarious secrecy from day 1 and may well have been a Russian agent with Melania as his handler. WTF knows? But her emails......
Irish_Dem
(46,918 posts)Between his addiction to making money and his hatred and anger towards the American people he could have done anything. When he lost the election he would want some revenge.
Prior to that it was about making money and paying off his debt to Putin.
Demanchor
(127 posts)He sold to everyone interested at their highest payment. Do you honestly think he only sold to the highest bidder?
Example: highest bidder is SA. Do you think this wasnt also sold to Iran, North Korea, China and Russia and many more I cant even fathom?
This is tfg he wants highest bidder but everyone else too.
The information in these documents have gone far and wide.
I only hope we have a plan b in place that these traitors living on American soil arent aware of.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Feinstein chairs the Senate committee. And Adam Schiff chairs the House Committee. I imagine that the committee will report out a some level of risk.
Hey Donny, You in deep do-do now.
aggiesal
(8,911 posts)because they would have control over both House & Senate Intelligence committees.
They either would not request it, or pull a DisBarr/Mueller and hide the report.
867-5309.
(1,189 posts)Or is it strictly the Democrats on those committees?
jaxexpat
(6,818 posts)I mean, the whole government was pretty much a horribly tasteless joke cum flea market during Trump's term. There wasn't much lower for it to go. Surely those items vulnerable to Trump's well-known tendencies for mischief had been secured or had their potential threats mitigated over the last couple of years. If Trump has succeeded in parlaying some of the nation's intelligence assets into his sche............. alert
As I write this it occurs to me those documents may not have been so much for his profit but more as a fallout shelter for protection from his destiny, prosecution. They were a part and parcel of his personal security. He was/is running a tsunami-sized blackmail scenario wherein, until his power was/is neutralized, he was/is held at arm's length from prosecution and exposure as an international criminal of formidable lethality. Now, after much struggle and like a mirage, that power is evaporating. He is finally losing his get-out-of-jail-free card(s).
I wax fantastic (or maybe not) but I foresee an Erik Prince revelation of complicity or source of incrimination against TFG.
BTW, if it turns out differently it was all just good old anyway.
panader0
(25,816 posts)H2O Man
(73,536 posts)Outstanding!
EndlessWire
(6,513 posts)Trump's head is going to explode.
Think of all the money this spy is going to cost us.
kentuck
(111,079 posts)If they have some very important questions that they do not want shared with Donald Trump, they should request a written response or a one-on-one meeting with the DOJ. It is sad, but the Republicans cannot be trusted. (Remember Devin Nunes?)
Raven
(13,889 posts)their discretion.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,328 posts)That thing may have grabbed whatever he could just in case it would elevate his stature in Pooty's eyes.
MontanaMama
(23,307 posts)we may not know the damage that could yet be done depending on who he gave/sold/leveraged our state secrets. There are bad actors who wish harm on Americans and they may wait until it suits them to strike. Salmon Rushdie comes to mind. It is my hope that those in the NSA, CIA, FBI etc will be working hard to shore up whatever vulnerabilities result from TFGs treason.
niyad
(113,259 posts)NoMoreRepugs
(9,412 posts)sure as shit arent any smart RePutinicans.
onetexan
(13,036 posts)Heaven only knows who the Con has exposed them to for profit.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)Dysfunctional
(452 posts)There is a good possibility that they will be spending long hours redacting codewords on every page of every document or copying the documents without the codeword and having to stamp the new codewords on every page of every document then burning all the original documents. I worked in some buildings where we burned at least 10 bags every day just for routine stuff.
FakeNoose
(32,633 posts)By the time this is through, everyone in the US defense and intelligence organizations will absolutely hate Chump's guts. If they had any sense, they'd hate his already. But this is the undeniable proof.
czarjak
(11,266 posts)dlk
(11,552 posts)We can build one, just for him. He needs to be locked away where the sun doesn't shine, for the remainder of his miserable life!
ificandream
(9,363 posts)crickets
(25,962 posts)Original Bloomberg article:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-13/house-democrats-ask-intelligence-chief-to-assess-trump-documents
No paywall: https://archive.ph/wip/CCniK
A classified briefing on the assessments progress is also sought as soon as possible, House Oversight Committee Chair Carolyn Maloney and Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff said in a letter to DNI Avril Haines on Saturday.
They cited an unsealed court-authorized search warrant and the inventory of property recovered at Trumps Mar-a-Lago Club that describe numerous classified documents he held, including top secret/sensitive compartmented information, among the most highly protected information in the US government.
Even as the Justice Departments investigation proceeds, ensuring that we take all necessary steps to protect classified information and mitigate the damage to national security done by its compromise is critically important, the lawmakers said in the letter.
The letter:
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/2022-08-13.cbm_schiff_to_haines-dni_re_damage_assessment.pdf
ificandream
(9,363 posts)OMGWTF
(3,951 posts)burrowowl
(17,638 posts)cstanleytech
(26,281 posts)he is afraid of being arrested and going to prison.
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)Samrob
(4,298 posts)Especially those known to be Trump cultists?
ecstatic
(32,685 posts)They have no allegiance to the United States whatsoever.