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myohmy2

(3,162 posts)
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 08:22 PM Aug 2022

Red states are making me Blue...

...how's this

Let's have a Blue State Sub-Constitutional Convention. We would adhere to our current federal Constitution but fill in it's political, social and monetary gaps as we saw fit. The Blue State Sub-Constitution would bring Blue States additional support and rights not currently being provided by the federal Constitution. We would fight any and all expansion of federal spending or power.

Blue States doing business in a brother Blue State would receive special governmental favors, benefits and treatment. We would have a rotating Blue State sub-capitol and parliament meeting regularly under a Blue State Sub-Constitution.

Like NATO, a Red State turning Blue could join the Blue States only if all member Blue States agreed. Any Blue State turning Red could also be ejected by a unanimous vote.

Let's become the United Blue States of America and tell those stonewalling, money sucking, social managing fascist Red States to fuck-off.

...I like it...

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Red states are making me Blue... (Original Post) myohmy2 Aug 2022 OP
There is some precedent orthoclad Aug 2022 #1
"There is some precedent" myohmy2 Aug 2022 #7
"Blue" state is too vague and broad orthoclad Aug 2022 #17
"the interstate compact about the electoral college" Polybius Aug 2022 #15
I'm being lazy orthoclad Aug 2022 #16
Not exactly Polybius Aug 2022 #18
Thanks for the info orthoclad Aug 2022 #19
So, screw over the Democrats living in Republican-controlled States? brooklynite Aug 2022 #2
Exactly SouthernIrish Aug 2022 #3
nothing... myohmy2 Aug 2022 #5
So you want to sucede from the U.S.? former9thward Aug 2022 #4
" So you want to sucede from the U.S.?" myohmy2 Aug 2022 #6
Secede. roamer65 Aug 2022 #10
Ohh, the typo police are out today! former9thward Aug 2022 #13
Yup. roamer65 Aug 2022 #14
Hartford Convention, 1814. roamer65 Aug 2022 #8
there... myohmy2 Aug 2022 #11
There is no verbage in the Constitution preventing it. roamer65 Aug 2022 #12
Sovereignty-association. roamer65 Aug 2022 #9

orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
1. There is some precedent
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 08:57 PM
Aug 2022

in the interstate compact about the electoral college, where member states agree to cast electoral votes according to the popular vote in that State. A poor workaround for the abominable EC, which, like the Senate, was created to empower the rich in slave states.

But what would define a "blue" state? We have some Dems like Manchin, who are tools of the oligarchy. Does that make WV "blue"?

One of the characteristics of what is commonly called a "blue" state is that these states pay more into the federal coffers than they take out. Maybe we could follow the money?

myohmy2

(3,162 posts)
7. "There is some precedent"
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:49 AM
Aug 2022

...exactly...

...the details, definitions and desires would be worked out in a Blue State Sub-Constitutional Convention to be ratified by the Blue States...

...it would break the current decades-long political stalemate and make the majority will more likely or possible in the Blue States...

...it could work...

orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
17. "Blue" state is too vague and broad
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 07:29 PM
Aug 2022

Like other posts have pointed out, it's wrong to punish the minorities (e.g.) who live under MAGA tyranny.

But some sort of interstate compact might be useful. We already have the Reich wing examples of forcing other states to accept their gun laws, and the attempt by the Texas government to overrule the election in other states. All these attempts remind me too much of the escaped slave laws, where free states were supposed to enforce the ownership "rights" of slave states.

But I'd rather see workers and minorities vs oligarchs than state vs state. The state lie is too artificial.

I think that, in the end, we need federal laws setting human rights in concrete.

Polybius

(15,381 posts)
15. "the interstate compact about the electoral college"
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 12:28 PM
Aug 2022

Yeah that'll be struck down if and when if ever goes into effect.

Polybius

(15,381 posts)
18. Not exactly
Mon Aug 22, 2022, 12:54 PM
Aug 2022

From Wiki:

The compact is designed to ensure that the candidate who receives the most votes nationwide is elected president, and it would come into effect only when it would guarantee that outcome. As of June 2022, it has been adopted by fifteen states and the District of Columbia. These states have 195 electoral votes, which is 36% of the Electoral College and 72% of the 270 votes needed to give the compact legal force.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact#:~:text=The%20National%20Popular%20Vote%20Interstate,and%20the%20District%20of%20Columbia.

It likely goes into effect when enough states adopt it to go to 270 EV's.

SouthernIrish

(512 posts)
3. Exactly
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 10:59 PM
Aug 2022

It really irritates me when people write off red states as a whole. I have lived all of my life in a red state(as a progressive). So now I should be ostracized by fellow progressives from blue states? What kind of messed up thinking is this?

If you have never lived in a red area, you have no idea the aggravation one feels just being around very closed minded people. Count your blessings without counting us out. We have to work hard to get any progress at all.

myohmy2

(3,162 posts)
5. nothing...
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:38 AM
Aug 2022

...would change on the national level...

...our federal Constitution with all it's rights would still be there...

...people could move...

...

former9thward

(31,974 posts)
13. Ohh, the typo police are out today!
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 11:52 AM
Aug 2022

You will find a lot of work in the posts if you are concerned about that.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
8. Hartford Convention, 1814.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:53 AM
Aug 2022

The only thing that stopped New England’s secession was Andrew Jackson’s quick victory at the Battle of New Orleans.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
12. There is no verbage in the Constitution preventing it.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 11:00 AM
Aug 2022

…and via the 10th Amendment powers not specifically granted to the federal government or prohibited to the states, are reserved by the states and the people.

All it would take is a well argued SCOTUS case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
9. Sovereignty-association.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 10:55 AM
Aug 2022

I do strongly believe it is time for a confederation, rather than a federation.

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