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Mon Aug 22, 2022, 07:26 PM

Trump Had More Than 300 Classified Documents at Mar-a-Lago





https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/22/us/politics/trump-mar-a-lago-documents.html

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The initial batch of documents retrieved by the National Archives from former President Donald J. Trump in January included more than 150 marked as classified, a number that ignited intense concern at the Justice Department and helped trigger the criminal investigation that led F.B.I. agents to swoop into Mar-a-Lago this month seeking to recover more, multiple people briefed on the matter said.

In total, the government has recovered more than 300 documents with classified markings from Mr. Trump since he left office, the people said: that first batch of documents returned in January, another set provided by Mr. Trump’s aides to the Justice Department in June and the material seized by the F.B.I. in the search this month.

The previously unreported volume of the sensitive material found in the former president’s possession in January helps explain why the Justice Department moved so urgently to hunt down any further classified materials he might have.

And the extent to which such a large number of highly sensitive documents remained at Mar-a-Lago for months, even as the department sought the return of all material that should have been left in government custody when Mr. Trump left office, suggested to officials that the former president or his aides had been cavalier in handling it, not fully forthcoming with investigators, or both.

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Reply Trump Had More Than 300 Classified Documents at Mar-a-Lago (Original post)
Nevilledog Aug 2022 OP
onecaliberal Aug 2022 #1
MontanaMama Aug 2022 #21
onecaliberal Aug 2022 #24
MontanaMama Aug 2022 #25
onecaliberal Aug 2022 #29
MontanaMama Aug 2022 #30
onecaliberal Aug 2022 #31
fightforfreedom Aug 2022 #2
sarcasmo Aug 2022 #3
AllaN01Bear Aug 2022 #4
Red Mountain Aug 2022 #5
fightforfreedom Aug 2022 #6
Scrivener7 Aug 2022 #11
ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2022 #7
ForgedCrank Aug 2022 #8
fightforfreedom Aug 2022 #9
ForgedCrank Aug 2022 #10
fightforfreedom Aug 2022 #12
BOSSHOG Aug 2022 #13
ForgedCrank Aug 2022 #17
Saboburns Aug 2022 #23
orleans Aug 2022 #22
ForgedCrank Aug 2022 #27
Johnny2X2X Aug 2022 #36
BigmanPigman Aug 2022 #14
onecaliberal Aug 2022 #26
Martin68 Aug 2022 #15
kskiska Aug 2022 #16
crickets Aug 2022 #33
Beartracks Aug 2022 #18
Septua Aug 2022 #19
Beetwasher. Aug 2022 #20
FakeNoose Aug 2022 #28
crickets Aug 2022 #32
lindysalsagal Aug 2022 #34
Mr. Ected Aug 2022 #35

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 07:28 PM

1. Lock it up.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:44 PM

21. "It"

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #21)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:47 PM

24. I was feeling charitable.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:48 PM

25. Well your charity cracked me then hell up.

I needed it too.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #25)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:51 PM

29. I'm so glad. This place is always good for a laugh somewhere.

I hope everything is okay.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #29)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:54 PM

30. Everything is good.

I worked a long day is all. Thank you for asking and thank you for the laugh. I believe I’ll be referring to TFG as “it” going forward. It only seems right.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #30)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 11:13 PM

31. It is the best description of it.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 07:29 PM

2. Prosecute the Traitor. ASAP.

I am tired of his bullshit.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 07:29 PM

3. 300 felonies. Hotodg skin belongs in Leavenworth.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 07:29 PM

4. as a cartoon villian called dishonest john would say, ah , the plot thickens . nya ah ah.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 07:38 PM

5. At this point.....

the question should be: "Do you have any more classified documents? Are you prepared to swear to that under oath?"

And start arresting people on the spot if they are found to be lying.

I'd ask anybody who might have had access.

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Response to Red Mountain (Reply #5)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 07:52 PM

6. Thank you, the lack of urgency is unbelievable.

This is why I have been so pissed off lately. Trump is now a citizen like you and I. They should be going at him hard and everyone else involved over stolen secret documents. You don't take your time and investigate for years in a situation like this.

This should be an all hands on deck investigation.

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Response to Red Mountain (Reply #5)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 08:03 PM

11. They already swore under oath that they had no more after the 15 boxes

were seized in February. Their oaths mean nothing whatsoever. A lawyer signed an affidavit promising there were no more after that seizure.

YES. The arrests should have been started a long time ago.

AND, the FBI has recently been questioning tfg employees to see where MORE documents are. They think there ARE more out there.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17067364
The F.B.I. has reached out to about a half-dozen people who currently work for Mr. Trump and who might know what documents he may still have in his possession.


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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 07:53 PM

7. Must be one hell of a barn burner memoir he is writing there!



To need that many CLASSIFIED documents.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 07:57 PM

8. "Marked as classified"

and "Classified" are two entirely different things. This is more news filler with zero new facts or evidence.
I want to know what he had in his possession that he was definitively prohibited from having, no more word games. Classified documents are not all collected so the markings can be removed when they are de-classified, which is the orange assholes claim. Yes, I realize he is likely lying, but someone needs to show us some real and measurable evidence of the crime, and then promptly charge him if they have said evidence. We are going on two weeks now and nothing has been detailed from official sources. All we get are bait and bullshit articles like this.
If I mattered at all, my message to the DOJ would be let's get on with this and stop messing around. Throw his ass in jail and charge him, or drop it. We have elections to win and we don't need bullshit right now.
Donald Trump is not my focus. We have serious economic and other issues to address publicly, and if this Trump shit is going to end in a waste, we are pissing away valuable news cycles with it right now that could be addressing far more serious subjects just weeks before a mid-term election.

Sorry, but I'm getting really aggravated with this entire thing now. I'm tired of dealing with him, I'm tired of the dead-end scandals, and I'm tired of major issues being ignored. How many articles have we seen this week about how much the Democratic Congress and Joe Biden have accomplished v/s these damned Trump speculation write-ups? They are wasting very valuable time here.

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Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 08:00 PM

9. I am happy there are people who feel like I do about this investigation.

This is being handled badly. We already know some of the documents are the highest level of top secret. That's why one of the charges on the warrant involves the espionage act.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 08:02 PM

10. Well, I wish

I was as confident as you are. I have no earthly idea if it is being handled well or not, they are showing us absolutely nothing.

Sorry for the rant, I'm getting really aggravated. We get stung buy this shit EVERY dang time. I'm tired of it.

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Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 08:05 PM

12. Same here. I am tired of Trump not being held accountable.

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Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 09:25 PM

13. If a Private or a Seaman or an Airman was caught with

One classified document in his/her trunk there would be no ambiguity about the handling of the situation. No press conference, no higher or lower court ruling, no rotation of high priced liars pleading their case. “IT” is not being handled well. OTOH DOJ under Garland takes every effort to dot every i.

And why did Jared get 2 Billion from the saudis? Maybe Mitch mcconnel could answer that question. Or gym Jordan, or stefanik etal.

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Response to BOSSHOG (Reply #13)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 09:57 PM

17. I have to

assume by what you are saying that you are certain that Trump actually had classified documents that he was not authorized to have and that they were stored in an unsecured location?
I'd like to see the source on that information, because I have yet to see anything but claims from twitter blue-checks and money grubbing media outlets who want me to keep clicking on their links.
Don't mistake my skepticism for a position on the matter, I'm just looking for proof and charges. Almost at week 2 and we have zilch, nothing. Evidence could be there, evidence might not be there. We don't know. And let us not forget, Trump isn't a regular citizen like you, I, or a Private/Seaman/Airman, he is a former President regardless if we like it or not. His security clearances have not been revoked either. Event the word "stolen" is thrown around without regard. Do we know that? No, we don't, and assuming so is us being sloppy.
I'm trying to be realistic here, and things are starting to smell from my vantage point. I'm beginning to lean toward bad news regarding the materials confiscated under the warrant. We can be as sure about these things as we want, but without that evidence, this is all in vain, and it looks really bad.
Let me tell you I would how happy I would be if I'm wrong, but I've been down this path far too many times already. If there was damning evidence in those boxes, we would surely know about it by now. If not, why? And national security is a bullshit answer. We don't need to read the underacted documents he has, let an official come out and say the actual words: Donald Trump was absolutely in possession of classified documents that he was not authorized to have or remove from secure locations, and he broke XX law in doing so. I've heard no official source from the DOJ state anything even remotely similar to that, and I would like to know why.

And I have no idea how to answer your other questions. I'd have to do a lot of reading and research to even know what you are talking about as I am completely unfamiliar with any of that unfortunately.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:46 PM

23. This is being handled MASTERFULLY by the DOJ

You'll feel better about it all when you realize the #1 goal of this investigation was not simply retrieving the classified documents stolen from our government.

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Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:45 PM

22. here is what i don't understand...

i don't understand the people demanding they "show us" what they took, what was on the list, show us that the docs were top secret or classified.

if they really are classified/top secret and trump shouldn't have them because russia or china might see them then why the hell are some people insisting/demanding *they* be shown the documents. did we all just gain automatic security clearance in order to weigh in as to if those docs really are classified?

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Response to orleans (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:49 PM

27. I haven't

seen anyone notable asking to read classified documents. I haven't insisted on that either.

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Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 23, 2022, 07:17 AM

36. He was prohibited from having all of it, regardless of classified status

These were stolen documents. All of them, they aren't his to take.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 09:40 PM

14. Now his 2 new shitty lawyers are going to need their own

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They signed forms saying that everything had been turned over. He may have lied to them and they were stupid enough to believe him....more morons.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:49 PM

26. Yup. Next in line for disbarment.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 09:43 PM

15. We've exercised restraint. Now we know the time is past.

Trump and his fellow traitors need to be locked up where they can do no more harm.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 09:50 PM

16. Lucky they were found before hurricane season.

Oceanfront Palm Beach in a basement - what could go wrong?

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Response to kskiska (Reply #16)

Tue Aug 23, 2022, 12:17 AM

33. That's actually a good point.

Can you imagine top secret papers randomly strewn for miles? Good grief.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:13 PM

18. Regardless of classification level, the documents were not his to take.

Just reiterating the obvious fact that the media seems to forget.

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #18)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:29 PM

19. Exactly

It was a crime just taking the stuff to Mar-a-Lago. Matters not what was in it. But if some of the stuff was highly sensitive, the other crimes come into play.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:37 PM

20. Trump is Fucked, He's Well and Truly Fucked

He will try to blackmail the US, and he will be told to fuck himself. I have no doubt now they’ve got him dead to rights.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2022, 10:50 PM

28. Here's what I don't get: What do they mean by "multiple sets of documents"?

Did Chump make copies of certain documents so he could be sell them more than once? I mean, he might have sold one set to MBS, and another to Pootie, maybe a third set to the guy in Iran. Maybe they're all buying the same secrets. I don't know, I can't make sense of this.



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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Tue Aug 23, 2022, 12:08 AM

32. He actually claimed of some docs: "Those are mine." Jackass.

Kicking this up - I duped by mistake.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Tue Aug 23, 2022, 07:08 AM

34. Easy to imagine the infantile sore loser stealing docs after jan 6

Failed to keep him in office. There are more staffers out there still keeping his secrets who need to talk. More should he arrested until they tell how these docs were stolen, because he didn't carry those boxes himself. I want to know exactly what vehicle drive or flew them to merdelago, and by whom.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Tue Aug 23, 2022, 07:15 AM

35. I want to know, WHEN exactly did he begin absconding with these documents

And what has he DONE with them while they've been in his possession?

My guess is that he's already wrought more damage to our national security than any of us could ever imagine and perhaps that's why the kid gloves treatment - the implications of apprehending the perp may be more catastrophic than we realize.

Not a reason not to do it, of course, but there's a lot here that does not meet the eye.

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