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Just_Vote_Dem

(2,802 posts)
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 07:53 AM Aug 2022

Marcy Wheeler (Emptywheel) on Trump's "Special Master" filing

https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/08/23/trumps-reneges-on-promised-significant-fourth-amendment-filing/#comments


As you no doubt know, Trump filed a document that purports to be a request for a Special Master last night, over a week after discussing privilege issues with DOJ and three days after promising a significant Fourth Amendment filing.

This document is a lot of things:

-A confession to a violation of the Espionage Act
-A confession to making a threat against the Attorney General
-Serial proof that a Trump search was conducted like other searches
-Filed in the wrong place at the wrong time
-Not backed by sworn declarations to substantiate its “factual claims”
An invocation not of special master reviews by Trump’s own personal attorneys but instead an invocation of a terrorist lawyer convicted of conspiring with that terrorist.

One thing it is not is a significant Fourth Amendment filing. Trump couldn’t even manage that competently.
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Marcy Wheeler (Emptywheel) on Trump's "Special Master" filing (Original Post) Just_Vote_Dem Aug 2022 OP
So, if admission of Espionage Act, Tetrachloride Aug 2022 #1
If Georgia is a state charge slam dunk because of the "perfect phone call" Mr. Ected Aug 2022 #2
I'm of the untrained opinion that a "special master" is not needed in this case... Hugin Aug 2022 #3
Exactly, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #4
That isn't known for certain, which is why the FBI is using a filter team Fiendish Thingy Aug 2022 #9
It is not clear how much, if any, of the documents are personal/privileged Fiendish Thingy Aug 2022 #7
Kind of late to ask for a special master, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #11
The documents are being handled by a filter team not connected with the Trump investigation Fiendish Thingy Aug 2022 #13
Slobfather hid some documents in magazines. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #18
Yes, it was a filing, the likes of which had never been seen before maxrandb Aug 2022 #5
Some good background on the attorneys at this link NJCher Aug 2022 #6
interesting, informative site llashram Aug 2022 #8
They're hoping this 'Special Master' is a former fox news anchor louis-t Aug 2022 #10
It would give them one person to target for their bribes or coercion cutroot Aug 2022 #12
Wouldn't any Special Master chosen to sort through documents need to have top Poiuyt Aug 2022 #14
I think they should choose Peter Strzok, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #15
Donald Trump has filed his "supplemental" motion for relief LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #16
threadreaderapp link... Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #17

Tetrachloride

(7,833 posts)
1. So, if admission of Espionage Act,
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 08:01 AM
Aug 2022

1. there are indictments in the batter’s box.
or
2. all possible indictments are in a homeless shelter

color me cynical

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
2. If Georgia is a state charge slam dunk because of the "perfect phone call"
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 08:10 AM
Aug 2022

This has to be a slam dunk federal charge due to multiple occasions of CONFESSIONS to the crimes.

The cowering in fear of a man who will topple democracy and continue to endanger our national security as he has every day since taking office in January 2017 is unbecoming of the World's Greatest Nation.

Hugin

(33,120 posts)
3. I'm of the untrained opinion that a "special master" is not needed in this case...
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 08:28 AM
Aug 2022

Based on my crudely cobbled together observations that special masters are utilized when a large chunk of personal communication is seized in a warrant search and there are personal messages that are not relevant to the case under investigation mixed in with the relevant material. A special master sifts through and separates the two in an independent manner before turning any relevant evidence over to the investigation.

In this case all of the material is the property of the Federal government illegally in Trump’s possession and is not personal in nature to begin with as was true with some previous searches of Trump associates. Where a special master MAY have been appropriate during the Mueller investigation. At least we know where dumbolini got the idea.

gab13by13

(21,299 posts)
4. Exactly,
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 08:36 AM
Aug 2022

this is just another delay tactic. The documents all belong to the government thus there is no need for a special master.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,570 posts)
9. That isn't known for certain, which is why the FBI is using a filter team
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 09:58 AM
Aug 2022

Just as some of Trump’s personal items (passports) were seized in the search, so too might some attorney/client privileged materials.

The federal/classified records would be easily distinguishable from personal records generated by Trump and his attorneys, and would be available to use as evidence once filtering was complete.

The other personal documents could be used as evidence, but may need to be reviewed for privilege exemptions (discussion of intent to commit crimes with attorney) before being released.

Trump is trying to delay his day of reckoning, but I don’t think this ploy will work.

In any case, it’s still going to take some time before DOJ is ready to present this evidence to a grand jury.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,570 posts)
7. It is not clear how much, if any, of the documents are personal/privileged
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 09:51 AM
Aug 2022

Which is why the FBI is using a “filter team” of agents not connected to the investigation to review the seized documents and identify those which may be privileged. Those documents would be separated for possible additional review by a court appointed Special Master.

The rest of the documents clearly identifiable as federal/classified documents, after filtering, would be available as evidence in any potential prosecution of Trump.

Emptywheel did a whole article on this process a few days ago.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,570 posts)
13. The documents are being handled by a filter team not connected with the Trump investigation
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 10:13 AM
Aug 2022

DOJ has a buffer zone between the investigators/prosecutors and the agents handling the documents directly.

IIRC, Bratt is the counterintelligence director signing off on DOJ’s handling of the documents, but he is not part of the Trump investigation team.

This is why it is taking time to move forward with indictments.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,321 posts)
18. Slobfather hid some documents in magazines.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 06:24 AM
Aug 2022

Probably thought he could get them back without the FBI noticing.

maxrandb

(15,319 posts)
5. Yes, it was a filing, the likes of which had never been seen before
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 08:39 AM
Aug 2022

It was a "perfect filing"



Anyway, DU used to have a character, Bob Boudelang, or something like that.

I thought for sure I would see this signature on it.

cutroot

(875 posts)
12. It would give them one person to target for their bribes or coercion
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 10:08 AM
Aug 2022

Whoever is selected for this task will become an instant scapegoat.

Poiuyt

(18,122 posts)
14. Wouldn't any Special Master chosen to sort through documents need to have top
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 10:16 AM
Aug 2022

security clearance? How would this person be chosen?

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