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babylonsister

(170,963 posts)
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 07:26 AM Aug 2022

"Trump's Treason Mocks My Life"

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Trump's Treason Mocks My Life
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Saturday August 27, 2022 · 4:12 PM EDT
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The more I read and learn about the documents found at trump's Mar-A-Lago resort/home, the angrier I become. Honestly, words cannot express the depth of my anger and disgust and outrage and repressed fury as these emotions are all rolled into one giant ball of FUCK THIS.

Trump has committed treason on a scope this country has never before witnessed, and he's still walking around a free man. The fact that he is is not in jail, along with his miscreant family and associates, is a black stain on America and makes a mockery of the life I've lived.

My Life With A Security Clearance

I am 66 years old, a retired US Navy veteran who went on to work for the government/DoD/DHS in various capacities after my Navy retirement. I have literally held some level of security clearance since I was 19 years old. At one time I did hold a TS/SCI level clearance.

My requirement for maintaining a security clearance defines my ability to hold jobs in my chosen field of work. No clearance, no jobs. The sudden loss of my clearance, with accompanying loss of my career, has been a life-long sword of Damocles hanging over my head. I know the restrictions I have had to live with my entire life due to holding a security clearance.

The Restrictions

There are things I've done 40 years ago I still cannot tell anyone about, because those things are classified. I can't publictly show off some of the best work I've ever done, because that work is classified. My overseas vacation trips have to be "precleared" by some corporate security goon, even for traveling to European Union nations where I don't even need visas.

Every five to ten years I get "re-cleared," meaning federal agents get to wander around asking my neighbors detailed questions about me; my drinking habits, guests/parties at my home, indications I beat my wife, etc, etc, etc. These agents get to read my most personal medical and financial records, looking for any reason to deny my clearance.

I once had the humiliating experience of advising a federal agent, a total stranger, investigating me for yet another clearance, about my ex-wife. How she was living next door to where I used to live. About our contentious divorce. Explain how her new husband had already tried to smear me with some of the most vile lies I'd ever been subjected to. The agent made all the right sympathetic noises, yet salivating at the opportunity to dig up dirt on me. I spent months worried that my ex- would find a way to sink my clearance, costing me a job I really wanted.

Penalty For Violating Terms of My Clearance

If ever, just once, I had ever taken a document classified TS/SCI home with me and security goons found out…FBI agents backed up by a SWAT team would have stormed my home at 3:00AM. They would rip up everything in my home looking for that document, and when found, march me and my wife out the door in handcuffs. All in full view of my neighbors. Every person who might ever have visited my home would have been interrogated in effort to find out if they had any knowledge of that stolen document.


Trump's Treason

Now, this fucking asshole trump has been proven to have HUNDREDS of classified documents squirrelled away in his residence. Known Russian agents, and agents from God-only-knows how many other countries all have had access to this residence while those documents were stored there.

The government spent eighteen months "negotiating" with trump to get those documents back. BULLSHIT.

The FBI "conducted the search in a relatively low-key manner." Fucking BULLSHIT. Every guest and worker in that residence should have been rounded up, hauled to the nearest FBI office, and interrogated to find out what they knew. Every person who has had access to that residence since those documents were stored there - every single person- should right now be in lockup pending interrogation by FBI agents over what they knew and/or saw.

Trump himself should already be in jail, pending further resolution over who he might have given access to those documents.


Our Two-Tier Legal System

The fact that NONE OF THIS IS HAPPENING is the most glaring proof anyone who's paying attention needs to show the two-level legal system in this country. One legal system for the rich and politically powerful. One legal system for the rest of us.

Meanwhile, there is no reason to believe anything other than our core national secrets, some of the most important information needed to protect our nation, have been given away or sold to Trump's foreign owners. And Trump is still not in jail.

All of this is BULLSHIT.


A Mockery Of My Life

Trump has made a mockery of the restrictions and laws I've lived under by holding security clearances my entire adult life. He's violated every rule on classified material with complete lack of accountability. His actions, and the non-actions of the government agents charged to enforce our laws on security clearances and handling classified information, is making a mockery of how I've lived my life. The depths of my resentment over this has yet to find the bottom.
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"Trump's Treason Mocks My Life" (Original Post) babylonsister Aug 2022 OP
And what are the TV "journalists "talking about this morning? Walleye Aug 2022 #1
It's Kornacki time, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #3
There's a life ending meteor heading towards earth mountain grammy Aug 2022 #19
To the individual who wrote this, all I can say is LuckyCharms Aug 2022 #2
Thank you for posting this. gab13by13 Aug 2022 #4
To me, the most clear and correct paragraphs of this entry Escurumbele Aug 2022 #5
That part blows me away too. Ferrets are Cool Aug 2022 #16
The country fought to get liberated from a king's madness... Justice matters. Aug 2022 #50
Exactly this Half-step Aug 2022 #6
My husband in the Marines in early 60's. At one point he served in Guam. scarletlib Aug 2022 #58
If DOJ waits until after the election gab13by13 Aug 2022 #7
The FBI is not afraid of us. But they are afraid of Trump. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #8
+1 n/t area51 Aug 2022 #18
+2 blueinredohio Aug 2022 #31
They seem to be don't they Rebl2 Aug 2022 #42
Its a bit ridiculous that someone who would not normally be allowed a security clearance, 70sEraVet Aug 2022 #9
Definitely a flaw in the Constitution intrepidity Aug 2022 #24
It will be IF Dems shout out on rooftops VOTE BLUE in Roevember. Justice matters. Aug 2022 #53
Exactly! Marthe48 Aug 2022 #29
THIS. KPN Aug 2022 #44
Not normally allowed a security clearance?? Rural_Progressive Aug 2022 #54
Been there Farmer-Rick Aug 2022 #10
But NJCher Aug 2022 #11
I feel your anger. Not so long ago kacekwl Aug 2022 #12
the answer is right above you NJCher Aug 2022 #35
It's not right and frankly sad kacekwl Aug 2022 #52
I wouldn't go so far as to say "justice" NJCher Aug 2022 #61
They kinda tried that with the search of magolargo but kacekwl Aug 2022 #71
Here's the difference between the United States of America and a banana republic: Beastly Boy Aug 2022 #13
No. The difference is intrepidity Aug 2022 #25
I don't understand the "no" part. Beastly Boy Aug 2022 #32
As the OP explains, intrepidity Aug 2022 #34
That's a very partial statement. Beastly Boy Aug 2022 #46
Exactly Rebl2 Aug 2022 #47
not at this point NJCher Aug 2022 #36
Wouldn't be surprised that the Cubans infiltrated Mar A Lago Liberal_Vet Aug 2022 #14
What I've been saying: nobody notices "the help" in a resort hotel ... Hekate Aug 2022 #66
Mar-A-Lago Is Looking To Hire 91 Foreign Workers This Year crickets Aug 2022 #69
IIRC, Trump traditionally hires Slovenian workers. Can't remember if it's construction or everything Hekate Aug 2022 #70
America first. 🙄 crickets Aug 2022 #72
No union. No easy way home. Lower wages than promised. Working & living conditions sketchy... Hekate Aug 2022 #78
All of this IS Bullshit Ferrets are Cool Aug 2022 #15
I hear you. I hope Trump will face justice. Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #17
Having held a security clearance via working at a national lab ALBliberal Aug 2022 #20
Before this is over Trump and his henchmen will blame Joe Biden for not recovering these classified sop Aug 2022 #21
This is so sadly right on the money. rubbersole Aug 2022 #30
BINGO 2abigbman Aug 2022 #41
*NARA should appeal (please leave President Biden out of the Justice Department's affairs). Justice matters. Aug 2022 #55
Is there any real occurrence of FBI and SWAT teams at 3 am? treestar Aug 2022 #22
Yes, there are many... Hugin Aug 2022 #27
Has anyone read Patel's motion to intervene? Jarqui Aug 2022 #23
Funny shit dalton99a Aug 2022 #38
Jared Kushner Stays In Shape In Preparation To 'Live Forever' Jarqui Aug 2022 #43
IIRC, wasn't Jared DENIED a security clearance THREE times Haggis 4 Breakfast Aug 2022 #74
Yes Jarqui Aug 2022 #75
Would that be Kash Patel Haggis 4 Breakfast Aug 2022 #76
This is his motion to intervene in Trump's Special Master case Jarqui Aug 2022 #77
You know what is depressing to me, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #26
As this treasonous scandal snowballs.... rubbersole Aug 2022 #33
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ msfiddlestix Aug 2022 #40
Outrageous that Jared got his clearance too DeeDeeNY Aug 2022 #28
We are guilty of gullibility, suffering the fruits of "certainty in our own security". jaxexpat Aug 2022 #37
If TFG is not charged, Our Democracy is dead no matter which party is in power. Tommymac Aug 2022 #39
👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆 Rebl2 Aug 2022 #48
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Aug 2022 #45
Yup! Botany Aug 2022 #49
I agree 100%. I, too, held a TS/SCI most of my military life and my life in civilian DoD service. Scalded Nun Aug 2022 #51
Actually, it's at least 3-tiered. The author forgot about the legal system vs black people. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #56
Good post. And yes it does. The mere fact that this man-child was elected? is a mockery in itself. Evolve Dammit Aug 2022 #57
oooohhhh buuuuut Quanto Magnus Aug 2022 #59
So True! charliea Aug 2022 #60
K and fucking R Blue Owl Aug 2022 #62
So absolutely nauseating there are millions of MAGA hat wearing goons who still lambchopp59 Aug 2022 #63
K & R SunSeeker Aug 2022 #64
Exactly, being good and doing the right things, all the time spent... Brainfodder Aug 2022 #65
One law for the common man, another for the king... Hekate Aug 2022 #67
This. Deep State Witch Aug 2022 #68
TRUTH I held a Top SECRET SCI Clearance Heather MC Aug 2022 #73
Our side has too much reverence for the "office of the president." CrispyQ Aug 2022 #79
"If a dem had done this..." BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #80
Kick burrowowl Aug 2022 #81

Walleye

(30,723 posts)
1. And what are the TV "journalists "talking about this morning?
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 07:44 AM
Aug 2022

What does this mean for the midterms? Isn’t popular isn’t Trump still the most popular Republican? What are his chances at the nomination?This is insane!!!

gab13by13

(20,867 posts)
4. Thank you for posting this.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 08:00 AM
Aug 2022

It is very plausible that Trump got our foreign agents killed. I am disappointed in our DOJ, to say the least.

Maybe our 5 EYES program intercepted some damning evidence on Trump. Then again, maybe even that wouldn't be enough.

Escurumbele

(3,340 posts)
5. To me, the most clear and correct paragraphs of this entry
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 08:02 AM
Aug 2022
The government spent eighteen months "negotiating" with trump to get those documents back. BULLSHIT.

The FBI "conducted the search in a relatively low-key manner." Fucking BULLSHIT. Every guest and worker in that residence should have been rounded up, hauled to the nearest FBI office, and interrogated to find out what they knew. Every person who has had access to that residence since those documents were stored there - every single person- should right now be in lockup pending interrogation by FBI agents over what they knew and/or saw.

Trump himself should already be in jail, pending further resolution over who he might have given access to those documents.


We do not know for sure if the FBI is conducting any investigations about the people who were at MAL and have been there, we don't know that, but we can only hope that a very thorough investigation is currently taking place, and YES, trump should be in jail already.

As pointed in the article and I repeated in my previous paragraph, trump SHOULD BE in jail already. The myth that the USA holds on the position of president, and many positions in public office, as a special human beings must stop, as we now know the most vile and low class human can easily occupy the position of POTUS, Senate, Congress, etc., none of them are better than anyone else, and some like trump, GW, Reagan, and many more are less than many of us, so this myth that a president/ex-president must be treated different must end, a criminal is a criminal no matter what title he/she has.

Justice matters.

(6,874 posts)
50. The country fought to get liberated from a king's madness...
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:30 AM
Aug 2022

Only to return to being subjected by republiQans to the tyranny and betrayals of their chosen mad kings!

Above all laws they R.

Half-step

(78 posts)
6. Exactly this
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 08:03 AM
Aug 2022

A family member of mine who served in the armed forces told me pretty much the same thing. He expected people to be locked up long before the as the story broke.

Anyone who so much as walked the halls of MaL while those documents were there would normally be considered either suspect or (metaphorically speaking) highly radioactive.

scarletlib

(3,400 posts)
58. My husband in the Marines in early 60's. At one point he served in Guam.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 12:39 PM
Aug 2022

He was only a Lance Corporal. However he was involved with something top secret. To this day he will not talk about it.
He has honored his commitment to his Oath and his country.

gab13by13

(20,867 posts)
7. If DOJ waits until after the election
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 08:06 AM
Aug 2022

the MSM will sweep this right under the rug.

This special master BS is just a stall tactic.

Rebl2

(13,311 posts)
42. They seem to be don't they
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:56 AM
Aug 2022

It’s ridiculous that tfg isn’t in a jail cell along with his gang of criminals.

70sEraVet

(3,430 posts)
9. Its a bit ridiculous that someone who would not normally be allowed a security clearance,
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 08:22 AM
Aug 2022

is able to run for President.
Seems like that should be a prerequisite.

Justice matters.

(6,874 posts)
53. It will be IF Dems shout out on rooftops VOTE BLUE in Roevember.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:35 AM
Aug 2022

Give us a GOVERNING mandate (House Majority & 52 Senators or more) and "we will codify and sign it into Law"

Marthe48

(16,692 posts)
29. Exactly!
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:05 AM
Aug 2022

I think this is one of the drawbacks of vetting businessmen for office rather than military men.

Previous to my lifetime, there were others elected who weren't veterans, but I wasn't aware of them as I am about presidents in my era. I felt like we were reflecting the times, when Bill Clinton was elected. But it really doesn't matter if an elected official is ex-military or not. Look at bush for example. His military experience did not enhance his venal character. And traitor's lifetime experience has done nothing to mold the lump of dirt he is.

There is a nakedly visible horde determined to destroy our country. putin helped put a puppet regime in place to further cutting America off at the knees. But there is no excuse for the individual Americans who willingly joined forces with our enemies to continue walking free. We know our enemies, if we want to know them: flynn, manafort, graham, hawley, meadows, pense traitor, his family, and on on on from the least to the worst. I believe that many southern elected politicians would rejoice to see America topple. I believe that many religious zealots would rejoice to see America topple. I believe that many fascists who pretend they are something else would rejoice to see America topple.

I have said it before and I'll keep saying it: if the idiots trying to over throw our government and our America succeed, they are no longer safe to spew their vitriol. They might even become the main target of their masters.

GOTV.

Rural_Progressive

(1,105 posts)
54. Not normally allowed a security clearance??
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:36 AM
Aug 2022

For the love of all that is Holy, the putz couldn't get a casino license in Australia in 86 because the investigation done down under showed his ties to organized crime and yet 70+million people in this country voted to elect him president - twice??

And yes I totally agree, these "agreements" and "conventions" about what is allowable and normal behavior for the POTUS need to be codified and made law. Among those laws needs to be the requirement that a candidate should at least pass the same sort of security clearance they make custodial people at a security building carry.

Farmer-Rick

(10,072 posts)
10. Been there
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 08:33 AM
Aug 2022

Had relatives and friends tell me about their little chats with federal agents so I could get a security clearance.

Saw my life flash before my eyes when I thought I had made a mistake......I hadn't. But it was a very disturbing 24 hours.

Yet here is a guy, who had taken America's most secret of secrets and left them lying around in his box of porn. And Nothing has happened to him. NOTHING

NJCher

(35,430 posts)
11. But
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 08:37 AM
Aug 2022

While I sympathize with this person, he completely ignores a couple facts.

One is that in our legal system, you have to follow an established procedure, especially when obtaining evidence. If you don’t, your evidence can get thrown out of court and the perp walks.

Google fruit of the forbidden tree for just a small sample of how this works.

Second, when you have a political constituency of any kind, you have to take that in mind. Trump’s has already caused death (mostly themselves). They are a collection if maladjusted people who can cause a great many problems in how this case is perceived by the public.



kacekwl

(6,994 posts)
12. I feel your anger. Not so long ago
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 08:39 AM
Aug 2022

this traitor trump was reality TV celebrity low rent businessman and flim flam man who ran schools, fake charities and never paid his debts. He is still is a complete con man and criminal. Why oh why is this man and his family given such silk glove treatment is in itself criminal. He has done nothing to deserve it other than cheating and lying his way to become president. This still baffles me to this day. Justice is indeed blind if it can't see the man is and has always been a criminal and now a traitor.

NJCher

(35,430 posts)
35. the answer is right above you
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:21 AM
Aug 2022

in my previous post:

Second, when you have a political constituency of any kind, you have to take that in mind. Trump’s has already caused death (mostly themselves).

Have you ever put together a political constituency? I have, numerous times. Some of my groups were as few as 2000, others were 20,000.

When you do that, you have the power to sway votes and influence opinion.

Mine were environmental based and also women's rights.

Trump's are based on hatred, division, and racism.

Geez, I wonder why he has millions in his political constituency and the best I was able to do was 20,000.

When you are the leader of such a group, the politicians come calling because you can sway votes.

I have also seen this from the standpoint of a union leader. In NJ, teachers unions are fairly well organized and aren't afraid to exert their power. They have a union office right across the street from the NJ statehouse.

kacekwl

(6,994 posts)
52. It's not right and frankly sad
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:33 AM
Aug 2022

that justice should depend on how much support you have. Sad indeed and I disagree completely.

NJCher

(35,430 posts)
61. I wouldn't go so far as to say "justice"
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 02:06 PM
Aug 2022

but definitely he is being treated with kid gloves. He is all about violence and they need to do this in such a way as to not aggravate the situation.

Real justice would be a firing squad. I don't think we'll get that. It will be something, but not what he deserves.

kacekwl

(6,994 posts)
71. They kinda tried that with the search of magolargo but
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 05:28 PM
Aug 2022

the right blew that up. No matter what they are professional victims.

Beastly Boy

(9,063 posts)
13. Here's the difference between the United States of America and a banana republic:
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 08:48 AM
Aug 2022

We don't hang our villains, no matter how heinous and obvious their crimes are and no matter how righteously indignant we feel about their crimes, by their feet, in public squares along with their mistresses, after a mock trial, as a spectacle to appease the mobs.

In my country, proving them guilty beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law takes precedent over the very universal impulse to avenge the dead.

I am proud of my country for demanding this high standard, and I am proud of DOJ for their dedication in enforcing it.

Beastly Boy

(9,063 posts)
32. I don't understand the "no" part.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:14 AM
Aug 2022

I don't see how one is exclusive of or separate from the other.

You are not suggesting that due process of law can be sidestepped in applying the law for the sake of expedience, as it is routinely done in a banana republic, are you? This is the part that insures that the law is being applied fairly to every citizen, equally.

intrepidity

(7,241 posts)
34. As the OP explains,
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:19 AM
Aug 2022

had *they* done what tfg did, they'd already be in jail awaiting trial.

Do you deny that tfg is, has always been, handled with kid gloves?

Beastly Boy

(9,063 posts)
46. That's a very partial statement.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:12 AM
Aug 2022

The first thing that's wrong with it is, it is based on comparing apples to oranges. More accurately, the comparison is between a few carefully selected apples to some carefully selected oranges.

The second thing that is wrong with it is that it ignores the very apparent fact that EVERYONE is entitled to EVERY protection of due process of law EQALLY, which doesn't mean that every suspect takes advantage of every such protection. In some cases, some suspects see advantages in pleading guilty as soon as they are being charged. Others seek plea deals. Yet others insist on being charged and tried, and they choose to not take advantage of any other protections afforded to them by due process of law. Some are unaware of such protections and fail to take advantage of them. Then, there are suspects who may be aware of every protection they are entitled to, but choose, for one reason or another, to take advantage of some but not others.

And then, there are a few who take advantage of every single loophole due process allows them, no matter how useless it may be in their case. And sometimes they manage to delay the due process past the statute of limitation for the particular crimes they are charged with. Bur in every case, EVERYBODY is entitled EQUALLY to EVERY protection due process of law extends to them.

So, to answer your question, yes, I definitely deny that Trump has always been treated with kid gloves. Not because I know he hasn't, but because I don't know the specifics of any of his cases, and, based on my ignorance of the matter, I can't make such a sweeping conclusion.

NJCher

(35,430 posts)
36. not at this point
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:24 AM
Aug 2022

there are interim measures they can take to make sure trump cannot do further damage.

You do not want this case going to court with errors that can let trump worm out of a conviction. That is the last thing you want.

Liberal_Vet

(11 posts)
14. Wouldn't be surprised that the Cubans infiltrated Mar A Lago
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 08:54 AM
Aug 2022

Whether they were parking lot attendants, maids, maintenance workers, wait staff, food service or gardeners at Mar A Lago. They would easily had access to the stolen documents. They would have entered the US under the Dry Foot Wet Foot program and easily gotten green cards.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
66. What I've been saying: nobody notices "the help" in a resort hotel ...
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 03:40 PM
Aug 2022

Pretty easy to put on a uniform and have access everywhere. Maids inside, groundskeepers outside, etc etc etc. Keys and a key-card and you’re in business.

crickets

(25,896 posts)
69. Mar-A-Lago Is Looking To Hire 91 Foreign Workers This Year
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 04:14 PM
Aug 2022
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2022/08/10/mar-a-lago-is-looking-to-hire-91-foreign-workers-this-year/
no paywall: https://archive.ph/wip/3AjXy

This year, as the labor market is even tighter, with just 2.8% unemployment in Florida, Mar-a-Lago is looking to bring on 91 temporary foreign workers. (That previously unreported number appears to be the highest in recent years.)

In July, Mar-a-Lago began to search for cooks, servers and housekeepers to work from October 2022 through May 2023, according to postings on the Department of Labor’s website. Trump’s West Palm Beach golf club is also looking overseas for employees, seeking 14 servers and cooks.

Pay for the full-time jobs that potentially get foreign workers in the vicinity of state secrets start at $11.96 an hour, up slightly from last year’s $11.70 and less than a dollar above Florida’s minimum wage.

Citizen and Immigration Services’ guidelines allow employers to hire short-term, non-permanent foreign workers if “there are not enough U.S. workers who are able, willing, qualified and available to do the temporary work.” Businesses have to apply to the Department of Labor for permission to hire these workers, listing the number of vacancies they are looking to fill. Foreign nationals from 85 countries are eligible to apply for these jobs.


"not enough U.S. workers who are able, willing, qualified and available to do the temporary work" ? Really?

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
70. IIRC, Trump traditionally hires Slovenian workers. Can't remember if it's construction or everything
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 05:15 PM
Aug 2022

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
78. No union. No easy way home. Lower wages than promised. Working & living conditions sketchy...
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 08:16 PM
Aug 2022

You can imagine what kind of employer he is.

And then there’s the fantastic opportunity for those already making a foreign government salary to work at one of his homes/resort hotels, and plant bugs, pick up bits of paper…

ALBliberal

(2,304 posts)
20. Having held a security clearance via working at a national lab
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 09:18 AM
Aug 2022

Having held a security clearance via working at a national lab I continue to be astounded that anybody who ever had a security clearance has a security clearance or was or is in the military could support Donald Trump. It really is a mockery of all law abiding patriotic citizens in our country.

sop

(9,946 posts)
21. Before this is over Trump and his henchmen will blame Joe Biden for not recovering these classified
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 09:19 AM
Aug 2022

documents sooner, preferably on January 21, 2021, right after being inaugurated. They'll claim "Sleepy Joe" failed to act expeditiously, negligently allowing foreign agents access to top secrets kept at Mar-a-Lago, and AG Garland has also been asleep at the wheel.

As part of their continuing effort to always appear fair and balanced, the M$M will then pile on. "After all," they'll intone sanctimoniously, "if these documents are so sensitive, and the Biden administration knew where they were all along, why didn't the DOJ just raid the place 18 months ago?"

2abigbman

(29 posts)
41. BINGO
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:40 AM
Aug 2022

When Karl (turd blossom) Rove asks why it took so long to act, you know what's coming. Dont blame the not ignorant moron TFG, blame the alleged sleepy current President. TFG claimed like a two year old any he touches is his (MINE). And now we have a clearly enraptured judge going along with this BS. Judge Cannon is as venal and corrupt as her former President. She ignores the law that the documents in question don't belong to TFG, but to the United States. She and TFG have no right to look at or possess them in any case. The current President controls access to these materials. Judge Cannon can appoint all the special masters she wants. NASA and the current President can ignore her. The DOJ should appeal thus ruling directly to the Supreme Court as a matter if National Security.

Justice matters.

(6,874 posts)
55. *NARA should appeal (please leave President Biden out of the Justice Department's affairs).
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:44 AM
Aug 2022

The rightful tradition the disgusting former guy broke should never be trashed ever again.

As for the current supremely corrupt court... don't expect any favorable results.. .

treestar

(82,383 posts)
22. Is there any real occurrence of FBI and SWAT teams at 3 am?
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 09:20 AM
Aug 2022

Even with ordinary workers, they'd need evidence.

The trouble is that TFG was President. It's a shame we elected him, but that makes more complex.

Hugin

(32,778 posts)
27. Yes, there are many...
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 09:59 AM
Aug 2022

All covered in annual mandatory training.

These raids go far enough to tear down the drywall and dig up the crawl spaces looking for dead drops and thumb drives.

By the way, the case under discussion is by far the only example where extended negotiations have occurred to “give it back, please” and typically the suspect is immediately arrested and held incommunicado in order for any information they may know to “cool off”.

On edit: I don’t blame you for asking, because these actions are also classified and never make the news.

Jarqui

(10,110 posts)
23. Has anyone read Patel's motion to intervene?
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 09:34 AM
Aug 2022
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.21.0_4.pdf

He lists as his credential's that he was a student body president, got good grades and that he nearly became a lawyer.
"I have been under the constant lawless use of a stress weapon, which causes stress and physical and mental adversities"
(I have to weigh in here - Trump gave this person significant security clearance ...)

And part of his rationale to be approved to intervene in this case:
"I am interested in becoming President of the United States and have a property right or interest of holding a privilege, protected by the United States Constitution and Acts of Congress, along with all the honors and
rights which come with the ''hold[ing]' the office of the Presidency and its thenceforth omnipresent, powerful titles/styles/precedent of the Honorable (The Excellent), including after leaving office."

and then he cites a bunch of laws/references ...

He refers to Hinduism like that has something to do with this or his qualifications or something.

"but His Excellency Patel .." WTF?

There's no mention of the Espionage act whatsoever that the search warrant relied on.

He goes on and on about the Presidential Records Act.
The search warrant did not rely on the Presidential Records act. It mentioned it twice.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854.102.1_5.pdf
Once paraphrasing the referral they got from NARA (page 1). The other time quoting Save America Political Action Committee on behalf of FPOTUS (page 8).

He goes on to say ...
"As it currently stands, the special master will only address the Presidential Records Act as
applied to President Trump and his records."

The judge denied the motion.

Why does this whackjob have any security clearance?
He and Sidney Powell would get along ...

These people are crazy

Jarqui

(10,110 posts)
75. Yes
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 08:01 PM
Aug 2022

And Trump was trying to get some clearance for that Patel character who looks like he's got some screws loose.

Haggis 4 Breakfast

(1,452 posts)
76. Would that be Kash Patel
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 08:03 PM
Aug 2022

who is now claiming that his life is in danger ? That he's been targeted for assassination ?

when I read that, all I could think was "You WISH you were that relevant !"

Jarqui

(10,110 posts)
77. This is his motion to intervene in Trump's Special Master case
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 08:08 PM
Aug 2022
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.21.0_4.pdf

He has mental health issues - and he even says so in the brief.
He's intent on becoming President of the United States and therefore, invoke his right to intervene based upon the potential of him becoming POTUS (I think that's what he tries to say ... confusing and so out there)

It's just bonkers.

gab13by13

(20,867 posts)
26. You know what is depressing to me,
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 09:50 AM
Aug 2022

Karl Rove gets it. Karl Rove went on Fox News and stated that the FBI should have acted sooner. We have a large amount of people here at DU who disagree with Karl Rove's statement.

The ducks in a row argument has long passed its believability. Our problem is not evidence, never has been, our problem is non-action upon having the evidence.

99.9% of the members at DU who are calling for Trump to be held accountable are not calling for a lynch mob, they are calling for an indictment, something that civilized countries do, hold criminals accountable.

rubbersole

(6,526 posts)
33. As this treasonous scandal snowballs....
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:17 AM
Aug 2022

...that .1% of lynch mob mentality just might start to grow. I'm astounded at the criminality we're witnessing. Go back to the old "If Obama had done this..." comparison. Holy shit. The world would have exploded.

msfiddlestix

(7,265 posts)
40. ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:35 AM
Aug 2022


There is one other category: those among us who is calling for more than just an indictment

But yeah.... how much more of this nation's classified docs have to be recovered before even as much as an indictment?

18 months to negotiate? That's not how the Feds operate with anyone else under investigation.

jaxexpat

(6,703 posts)
37. We are guilty of gullibility, suffering the fruits of "certainty in our own security".
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:26 AM
Aug 2022

I sympathize with the author, but I'd like to point out something. While he/she was so painstakingly following the rules, sacrificing to invasions of his personal life and thinking it a good job, sleazes like Trump and his cohort wormed into power. All that kowtowing to traditions of security clearance drama was, ultimately, no more than kabuki theater. If nothing else is clear today, it is that the real threats to national security was/is our subtle and unconscious obedience to conformity.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
39. If TFG is not charged, Our Democracy is dead no matter which party is in power.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 10:34 AM
Aug 2022

THAT is the simple TRUTH.

Millions wasted on election campaigns if he and the ENTIRETY of guilty office holders get away with just a slap on the wrist.

Fuck that noise.

Charge THEM ALL NOW.

OR say goodbye to The Constitution.

Choice is Yours, pols and DOJ. The Choice is ENTIRELY YOURS.

Botany

(70,291 posts)
49. Yup!
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:24 AM
Aug 2022

"Trump himself should already be in jail, pending further resolution over who he might have
given access to those documents."

Scalded Nun

(1,231 posts)
51. I agree 100%. I, too, held a TS/SCI most of my military life and my life in civilian DoD service.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 11:32 AM
Aug 2022

I have seen careers destroyed due to accidental misplacement/mishandling of classified docs as well as non job-related incidents, although I fortunately never saw any incidents surrounding unauthorized document removal. What he has done should result in his never seeing the light of day ever again. He should even be buried at night, not on a fairway but in a prison cemetery.

Quanto Magnus

(874 posts)
59. oooohhhh buuuuut
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 01:15 PM
Aug 2022

we better make sure tRump is coddled and treated with kid gloves because this is sooooo unprecedented.....

I mean.... he's so delicate and always getting picked on by the eeeeeevuuul deeeeeeep staaaaate!!!!!!!!

crap this should have been all caps....




charliea

(258 posts)
60. So True!
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 01:27 PM
Aug 2022

I'm a few years older than the OP and I've never been in the military. I've received secret and top secret clearances in my career due to certain jobs I've had or applied for, starting as far back as grad school. The FBI is quite serious about anyone (not Trump) who would have access to nuclear weapons information.

To say this travesty is a mockery of your service is far more understated than I could muster. To paraphrase the orange blowhard "Lock him up!"

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
63. So absolutely nauseating there are millions of MAGA hat wearing goons who still
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 02:58 PM
Aug 2022

Believe more years of that puerile chaos would be a good thing for the country.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
65. Exactly, being good and doing the right things, all the time spent...
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 03:01 PM
Aug 2022

One super dipshit doing the opposite rises to the top of government on his first attempt?

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
67. One law for the common man, another for the king...
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 03:42 PM
Aug 2022

What does that do to the morale of every single American federal government worker?

Deep State Witch

(10,350 posts)
68. This.
Sun Aug 28, 2022, 03:57 PM
Aug 2022

This is almost my story - except that I'm a 56-year-old woman who has held a clearance since I was 22. I don't have an ex, but I lived in fear that someone would find out that I was a Pagan.

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